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#1. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:44:42 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) What in Cali is not more expensive than elsewhere? ; ) Another data point...a friend bought a '95 non lux in superb condition with ~63k on it back in I think July of '06 for $13k or just under. I think he got a good deal but not spectacular, probably about right. Most prices I've seen on these are inflated, possibly for haggle room or something I dunno. Certainly the time of year plays into, it's winter for a great majority of the country and they are not too interested in a car that has little, if any, use in the winter. I think the comments about it being a red/lux car are pretty on target but of course color matters to individuals so the right buyer may think it's a steal. It's just not a rare car as others have said also, even in this condition. There are still a lot of them out there if you look even a little bit. Good luck with the sale. Jack Money > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Tener [mailto:rex_tener@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:44 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:37:51 -0800 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > At 07:34 PM 2/7/2007, Tucker Ryals wrote: > >The majority of opinions seem to be that the car is priced > right, but > >winter is hurting. However, several folks, Dave included, > told me about > >'95's they bought both recently and some years ago for less money. > > I have bought and sold a couple M3's and one thing that I have noticed > is that local metro area you are in has a strong influence on pricing. > The San Francisco Bay Area seems to be about 20% more expensive than > other "normal" E36 M3 markets. > I have observed this as a buyer and a seller. Which is why I knew if > I wanted a clean low mileage M3 sedan for under the high teens then I > was going to have travel. > > Rex
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Noisy Rear Koni DAs (was RSMs) - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:51:28 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Noisy Rear Koni DAs (was RSMs) Mine too, and I'm not amused. I bought a used set of TCK DA's, so it's been very frustrating figuring out the issues, then fixing them. The left rear was clunking, so I sent the rear DA's to ProParts, since they had a ProParts sticker on them. They seem to be quieter now, but I didn't run them for very long, I put the stock shocks back in for the winter since the rear is easy to do. The front left was also clunking, to the point where I tore the suspension apart several times replacing every replaceable part of the camber plate. I concluded that it must be the shock when I took it out and stripped it of all hardware, and I can feel and hear a noise when I move the shaft by hand, and the right shock is quiet. Since they are TCK DA's, I sent them to TCK who forwarded them to Koni NA. They dyno'd them and sent them back without opening them, told me they are OK. They couldn't hear a noise, and the dynos look fine. I haven't put them back in the car yet, but I bet it will be noisy. I guess I'll send them to ProParts, too. Not amused. :-( Kirk, let us know if yours are quiet after the rebuild. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 <----suspension all quiet at the moment because it's all STOCK. # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Kirk [mailto:admranger@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:54 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Noisy Rear Koni DAs (was RSMs) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:52:39 -0800 From: "Kirk" <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Noisy Rear Koni DAs (was RSMs) >mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I'm left with believing my Koni DA's are just noisy bastards ;-)) Neil added: >Mine are too, as I discovered when I substituted different shocks as an >experiment. So, not a lot of data points, but I'm thinking it's a case of >"They all do that" with regards to Koni DA's. Guess what? Yep, mine too. Mine are on their way back from Koni NA after being rebuilt so I'll know soon if that made any difference (I mentioned that the left one clicked/klunked a lot more than the right one). Until my new shocks/struts come, these will be on the race car (then the rears go on my wife's 2002 M3 since they share the same rear shock!). Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:59:31 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) I've had the opposite experience with banks. You can get an auto loan for well above the book value of car. Banks are in the business to make money too after-all. Last time I had an auto loan I remember them asking me "does the car need a set of tires or any other maint you'd like us to lend in addition to approved amount". IMO, the hardest place to sell an enthusiast car is on an enthusiast specific forum. Being owners of one already limits our basic need and we are also the most critical on price and or mods due to our first hand ownership knowledge. You might get a few bites from those upgrading models, or replacing a wreck, but then again the latter of what I said still hinders the deal. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:40:23 -0600 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Also, some banks will not finance a car that old for that much so the buyer would have to come up with cash. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Duckworth [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:24 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:14:41 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) I disagree that you're off base with the price. That said a lot of people probably have difficulty spending that much money on a 95. However, if I was in the market for this age/model M3, your car would be my choice. (assuming it's manual, I think it is right?) Also what's the dent just under the bmw logo in the trim on the front bumper? Thanks Mark On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 16:14 -0600, Tucker Ryals wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Gruppe, > > I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical > places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid > response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the first > day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some > interest. > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1 995+ m3+sale > > Thanks, > Tucker > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:06:08 -0600 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) All I'm saying about the bank is the age of the car. My credit union only lends up 10 years old. If you go older than that, they'll only lend 50% of the average retail value and they have to see the car. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:00 AM To: Paul L Fisher; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) I've had the opposite experience with banks. You can get an auto loan for well above the book value of car. Banks are in the business to make money too after-all. Last time I had an auto loan I remember them asking me "does the car need a set of tires or any other maint you'd like us to lend in addition to approved amount". IMO, the hardest place to sell an enthusiast car is on an enthusiast specific forum. Being owners of one already limits our basic need and we are also the most critical on price and or mods due to our first hand ownership knowledge. You might get a few bites from those upgrading models, or replacing a wreck, but then again the latter of what I said still hinders the deal. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:40:23 -0600 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Also, some banks will not finance a car that old for that much so the buyer would have to come up with cash. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Duckworth [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:24 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:14:41 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) I disagree that you're off base with the price. That said a lot of people probably have difficulty spending that much money on a 95. However, if I was in the market for this age/model M3, your car would be my choice. (assuming it's manual, I think it is right?) Also what's the dent just under the bmw logo in the trim on the front bumper? Thanks Mark On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 16:14 -0600, Tucker Ryals wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Gruppe, > > I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical > places and have received an overwhelmingly tepid > response. Granted I didn't expect it to sell the first > day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some > interest. > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only > thing I can think of. I did quite a bit of research > before pricing it, and, based on what I found, $15k > seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&highlight=1 995+ m3+sale > > Thanks, > Tucker > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ ________ > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. 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#5. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:15:34 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) This is highly bank dependant. My bank is extremely flexible (though less so in the last year) when it comes to this stuff but in general most of the time it is still going to come down to the "retail" value. If you're lucky, and you need it/want to do it, perhaps you can purchase a vehicle when the market price is dropping quicker than book retail can keep up, then you can borrow more than you spend. Course the danger there is that if the car gets totaled you end up owing more than the insurance company will pay. Lots of variables though, certainly lots of risks too. Jack Money > -----Original Message----- > From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:04 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:59:31 -0600 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > I've had the opposite experience with banks. You can get an > auto loan for well above the book value of car. Banks are in > the business to make money too after-all. Last time I had an > auto loan I remember them asking me "does the car need a set > of tires or any other maint you'd like us to lend in addition > to approved amount". > > IMO, the hardest place to sell an enthusiast car is on an > enthusiast specific forum. Being owners of one already > limits our basic need and we are also the most critical on > price and or mods due to our first hand ownership knowledge. > You might get a few bites from those upgrading models, or > replacing a wreck, but then again the latter of what I said > still hinders the deal. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul L Fisher [mailto:bmw@paul-fisher.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:44 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:40:23 -0600 > From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Also, some banks will not finance a car that old for that > much so the buyer would have to come up with cash. > > Paul L Fisher > > 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic > 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red > > Become a BMW CCA Member! > > Elkhorn, WI. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Duckworth [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:24 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:14:41 -0500 > From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > I disagree that you're off base with the price. That said a > lot of people probably have difficulty spending that much > money on a 95. > However, if I was in the market for this age/model M3, your > car would be my choice. (assuming it's manual, I think it is right?) > > Also what's the dent just under the bmw logo in the trim on > the front bumper? > > Thanks > Mark > > > On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 16:14 -0600, Tucker Ryals wrote: > > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:11:08 -0800 (PST) > > From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > > > Gruppe, > > > > I've posted my car for sale in all of the typical places and have > > received an overwhelmingly tepid response. Granted I didn't > expect it > > to sell the first day or two, but I at least hoped to generate some > > interest. > > > > So, am I off base with the price? That is the only thing I > can think > > of. I did quite a bit of research before pricing it, and, based on > > what I found, $15k seemed good for the age, mileage and condition. > > > > Is it just the fact that it is winter right now? Does > anyone have any > > suggestions? > > > > Here is the link again, just in case. > > > > > http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676299&h ighlight=1 > 995+ > m3+sale > > > > Thanks, > > Tucker > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > ____ > ________ > > Never Miss an Email > > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport > > http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing > > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport > High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse > Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports > Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: > 2/6/2007 > 5:52 PM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: > 2/7/2007 > 3:33 PM > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release > Date: 2/7/2007 3:33 PM > >
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#6. Re: Anyone install Turner Shorty Headers? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:19:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Anyone install Turner Shorty Headers? on 2/8/07 11:54 AM, "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> wrote: > Has anyone installed a set of the Turner shorty headers on their car? I'm > considering doing this but the task looks a little daunting and I'm > wondering if I should undertake this now while I have the exhaust system > off. Or am I just asking to have my car out of commission for several more > weeks! > > Here's link so you can see these things. They just look huge and I have to > wonder how they will fit in the engine bay. > > http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SHORTYHEADER They'll be significantly harder to install if you have a 96+, since there's the secondary air injection manifold to deal with. My crystal balls are in winter storage and you didn't say, so...? Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Shorty headers 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from David Thomas
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:23:55 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) On Thursday 08 February 2007 9:14 am, Paul L Fisher wrote: > All I'm saying about the bank is the age of the car. My credit union only > lends up 10 years old. If you go older than that, they'll only lend 50% of > the average retail value and they have to see the car. My CU will give a used car loan on a car of any age, but they just wont give a loan over high retail bluebook. Dave T
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:12:35 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) What??? people don't like red? Why??????????? Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 hellrot 90 crx some sort of faded red 88 wagoneer, red/maroon base 68 t-bird red and rust Prior car: 95 integra - millano red -----Original Message----- From: Jack - Elephant Motorsports [mailto:jack@elephantmotorsports.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:54 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:44:42 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) What in Cali is not more expensive than elsewhere? ; ) Another data point...a friend bought a '95 non lux in superb condition with ~63k on it back in I think July of '06 for $13k or just under. I think he got a good deal but not spectacular, probably about right. Most prices I've seen on these are inflated, possibly for haggle room or something I dunno. Certainly the time of year plays into, it's winter for a great majority of the country and they are not too interested in a car that has little, if any, use in the winter. I think the comments about it being a red/lux car are pretty on target but of course color matters to individuals so the right buyer may think it's a steal. It's just not a rare car as others have said also, even in this condition. There are still a lot of them out there if you look even a little bit. Good luck with the sale. Jack Money > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex Tener [mailto:rex_tener@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:44 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:37:51 -0800 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > > At 07:34 PM 2/7/2007, Tucker Ryals wrote: > >The majority of opinions seem to be that the car is priced > right, but > >winter is hurting. However, several folks, Dave included, > told me about > >'95's they bought both recently and some years ago for less money. > > I have bought and sold a couple M3's and one thing that I have noticed > is that local metro area you are in has a strong influence on pricing. > The San Francisco Bay Area seems to be about 20% more expensive than > other "normal" E36 M3 markets. > I have observed this as a buyer and a seller. Which is why I knew if > I wanted a clean low mileage M3 sedan for under the high teens then I > was going to have travel. > > Rex ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Reid Conti
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:16:09 -0800 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) > What in Cali is not more expensive than elsewhere? ; ) Actually, California is probably one of the best places to buy a used car. People travel from all over the west coast to CA to buy cars for two reasons. Thanks to enormous supply, the prices tend to be lower. Second, the weather here is nice, and people take better care of their cars (in general). Texas and Florida are also generally good places to buy cars that are in good condition and well taken care of, but I think CA has the greater concentration. Not saying there might not be some bay area inflation, though. - reid (Traveled from SJ to LA to buy my 'coupe) (sitting in rainy Redwood City)
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) - from Hans Batra
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Batra <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback please) Not even really related to this topic...but I test drove a 1979 911 SC recently, with a fairly fresh rebuild, and boy was it amazing and fun. 125K miles, $13.5K firm. Worth every penny. My idea of a relatively affordable fleet: the 1979 911 SC and this 95 M3 in question. Total outlay: $28.5K. New loaded V6 Honda Accord: $30K. I'll take the 911 and the M3 combo, thank you very much. Okay, back to our normally scheduled programming. Hans --- "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:12:35 -0600 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback > please) > > What??? people don't like red? Why??????????? > > Patrick Goss > 97 M3/4 hellrot > 90 crx some sort of faded red > 88 wagoneer, red/maroon base > 68 t-bird red and rust > Prior car: > 95 integra - millano red > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack - Elephant Motorsports > [mailto:jack@elephantmotorsports.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:54 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback > please) > > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:44:42 -0500 > From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" > <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale (feedback > please) > > What in Cali is not more expensive than elsewhere? ; > ) > > Another data point...a friend bought a '95 non lux > in superb condition > with > ~63k on it back in I think July of '06 for $13k or > just under. I think > he > got a good deal but not spectacular, probably about > right. Most prices > I've > seen on these are inflated, possibly for haggle room > or something I > dunno. > Certainly the time of year plays into, it's winter > for a great majority > of > the country and they are not too interested in a car > that has little, if > any, use in the winter. > > I think the comments about it being a red/lux car > are pretty on target > but > of course color matters to individuals so the right > buyer may think it's > a > steal. It's just not a rare car as others have said > also, even in this > condition. There are still a lot of them out there > if you look even a > little bit. > > Good luck with the sale. > > Jack Money > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rex Tener [mailto:rex_tener@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:44 AM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale > (feedback please) > > > > Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:37:51 -0800 > > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 1995 M3 for sale > (feedback please) > > > > At 07:34 PM 2/7/2007, Tucker Ryals wrote: > > >The majority of opinions seem to be that the car > is priced > > right, but > > >winter is hurting. However, several folks, Dave > included, > > told me about > > >'95's they bought both recently and some years > ago for less money. > > > > I have bought and sold a couple M3's and one thing > that I have noticed > > > is that local metro area you are in has a strong > influence on pricing. > > > The San Francisco Bay Area seems to be about 20% > more expensive than > > other "normal" E36 M3 markets. > > I have observed this as a buyer and a seller. > Which is why I knew if > > I wanted a clean low mileage M3 sedan for under > the high teens then I > > was going to have travel. > > > > Rex > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >