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#1. RE: where's my extra negative camber? - from Brian Hanchey
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:32:58 -0600 From: "Brian Hanchey" <hancheyb@vorshlag.com> Subject: RE: where's my extra negative camber? Adam, If you run the camber plates in the middle caster setting you'll get 3.5 - 4 degrees. The limitation is the strut tower opening with the setting is at max caster. You won't notice much difference in feel with 1 less degree of caster. Brian
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#2. RE: rear ball joints - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:35:12 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: rear ball joints Someone on this list accomplished this task with a selection of common sockets and off-the-shelf standard hardware - nuts and bolts. He also posted the list to this board. Sorry I don't have the list handy. KLB -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:18:37 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: rear ball joints I'm going to replace the rear ball joints on my '95 M3. My car has 2 ball joints and 2 rubber bushings. Apparently going with 4 ball joints for the replacement is the way to go. Are there any other things to replace "while I'm in there"? - Adam Lazur
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#3. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:07 -0800 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was under the rear of my car, but where are there ball joints in the E36 rear suspension? Marco -----Original Message----- From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:34 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:32:33 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints I'm about to do the same thing. Is it possible to do this without the special tool? The cheapest I could find it is on ebay for $145. The part number I found for the tool is BMW136-311 at Technictool. It looks like if this is attempted with a generic ball joint press, and it wasn't the exact size, the ball joints could easily be damaged. Mike On 2/16/07, Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:18:37 -0800 > From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> > Subject: rear ball joints > > I'm going to replace the rear ball joints on my '95 M3. My car has 2 > ball joints and 2 rubber bushings. Apparently going with 4 ball joints > for the replacement is the way to go. > > Are there any other things to replace "while I'm in there"? > > -- > Adam Lazur > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007 5:40 PM
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Replaced Pulleys - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:00:52 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Replaced Pulleys On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 03:13 -0600, Kent Shephard wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:05:47 -0800 > From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Replaced Pulleys > > Hi, > > I had a pulley go bad yesterday. (Top non adjustable) > My daughter said "Daddy I smell something burning." > Was a belt on a seized pulley. > Replaced all with belts in about an hour. > > Pretty easy job. Should have done the pulleys when I did the radiator. Yeah we got lucky with those. I did it on my Fiance's passat and it was less than fun. The sharp fan supports cut up my hands really badly and it involved pins to keep the tensioner tensioned as well as the tensioner/pulley combination being inseparable. Annoying. As part of my head gasket job I did both tensioners and pulleys as well as water pump. By far the easiest parts of the job. Thanks, Mark
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#5. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from Peter Loron
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:04:20 -0800 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Items #2 and #3 on this diagram, at least. I don't recall if #6 and #8 are also ball joints or not... http://realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=CD93&mospid=47504&btnr=33_1004&hg=33&fg=30 -Pete On 2/16/07, Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:07 -0800 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was under the rear of > my > car, but where are there ball joints in the E36 rear suspension? > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:34 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:32:33 -0500 > From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > I'm about to do the same thing. Is it possible to do this without the > special tool? The cheapest I could find it is on ebay for $145. The part > number I found for the tool is BMW136-311 at Technictool. It looks like > if > this is attempted with a generic ball joint press, and it wasn't the exact > size, the ball joints could easily be damaged. > > > Mike > > > On 2/16/07, Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:18:37 -0800 > > From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> > > Subject: rear ball joints > > > > I'm going to replace the rear ball joints on my '95 M3. My car has 2 > > ball joints and 2 rubber bushings. Apparently going with 4 ball joints > > for the replacement is the way to go. > > > > Are there any other things to replace "while I'm in there"? > > > > -- > > Adam Lazur > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007 > 5:40 PM > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:08:35 -0500 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Marco, It was just a test to see if you were paying attention. ;-) Seriously though, for the 96-99 M3's, the upper and lower lateral arms have ball joints in the outer socket where they bolt to the hub. For the 95 M3, only one is a ball joint (I think the upper), and the other is a rubber bushing similar to the inner joints. But the fitment is the same, so it's an easy upgrade for a 95 to make both ball joints (but not legal in all racing classes). The ball joints are just pressed into the hub, hence the need for the extraction tool. Chris ---- Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > > Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was under the rear of my > car, but where are there ball joints in the E36 rear suspension? > > Marco >
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#7. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:17:32 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Marco, On the hub/knuckle/kingpin. The upper where the upper trailing arm connects and then the lower where, of course, the lower trailing arm connects. I have never looked at the date cut off but I've seen that '96+ cars have double ball joints where '95 cars have upper ball joints/lower rubber mounts. Hope that helps ya. ; ) Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:59 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:07 -0800 > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was under > the rear of my car, but where are there ball joints in the > E36 rear suspension? > > Marco
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#8. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:26:02 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Sorry, I meant upper and lower control arms, not trailing arms. Simler put..the outer attachment points for the upper and lower control arms...sorry for the confusion and misuse of terms. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack - Elephant Motorsports > [mailto:jack@elephantmotorsports.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:18 PM > To: 'Marco'; 'E36M3' > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > Marco, > > On the hub/knuckle/kingpin. The upper where the upper > trailing arm connects and then the lower where, of course, > the lower trailing arm connects. I have never looked at the > date cut off but I've seen that '96+ cars have double ball > joints where '95 cars have upper ball joints/lower rubber > mounts. Hope that helps ya. ; ) > > Jack Money > Elephant Motorsports > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marco [mailto:m3driver@iname.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:59 AM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:53:07 -0800 > > From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints > > > > Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was > under the rear > > of my car, but where are there ball joints in the > > E36 rear suspension? > > > > Marco
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#9. Re: where's my extra negative camber? - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:48:51 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: where's my extra negative camber? Brian Hanchey (hancheyb@vorshlag.com) said: > If you run the camber plates in the middle caster setting you'll get 3.5 - 4 > degrees. The limitation is the strut tower opening with the setting is at > max caster. You won't notice much difference in feel with 1 less degree of > caster. Thanks Brian. I'll try losing a little caster to gain camber. -- Adam Lazur
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#10. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints - from Marco
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:50:08 -0800 From: "Marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Well son of a gun. Thanks Marco -----Original Message----- From: cteague@cox.net [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:08:35 -0500 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] rear ball joints Marco, It was just a test to see if you were paying attention. ;-) Seriously though, for the 96-99 M3's, the upper and lower lateral arms have ball joints in the outer socket where they bolt to the hub. For the 95 M3, only one is a ball joint (I think the upper), and the other is a rubber bushing similar to the inner joints. But the fitment is the same, so it's an easy upgrade for a 95 to make both ball joints (but not legal in all racing classes). The ball joints are just pressed into the hub, hence the need for the extraction tool. Chris ---- Marco <m3driver@iname.com> wrote: > > Ok I'm stumped. Granted it's been a while since I was under the rear > of my car, but where are there ball joints in the E36 rear suspension? > > Marco > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007 5:40 PM
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#11. Re: rear ball joints - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:51:38 -0800 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: rear ball joints Mike DePolo (smiked1@gmail.com) said: > I'm about to do the same thing. Is it possible to do this without the > special tool? The cheapest I could find it is on ebay for $145. The part > number I found for the tool is BMW136-311 at Technictool. It looks like if > this is attempted with a generic ball joint press, and it wasn't the exact > size, the ball joints could easily be damaged. Victory product design has a ball joint tool for $52. I considered cobbling together my own, but decided to spend $50 to avoid the headache. I'll shortly have one in the sf bay area if you're local and would like to borrow it. -- Adam Lazur