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#1. Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos - from jbjerke@charter.net
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:28:32 -0800 From: <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos The TL is nice and with the 6-speed you get 4 piston Brembo brakes too. But you best make sure you have a good grip on the wheel when uncorking it, because there is a lot of torque steer. If it were rear or all wheel drive it would be a perfect daily driver, but a bit heavy for track duty. I've also thought the new Aston Martin V8 Vantage is what the M6 should have looked like. Just waiting for the V8 E90 M3 to be released so the later model E46 M3 resale takes a big hit. I think the E46 M3 will go down as the best looking car (inside and out) that BMW produced in modern times. Jeff Bjerke 98 M3 Coupe 05 TL 6-Speed (Wife's Car) PS. I just received digest #5150. Isn't that some sort of emergency code for someone who lost their mind? ------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:11:39 -0800 > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos > > Sigh. Looks like a Pontiac. > > Anybody else think the Acural TL looks pretty > sharp...like maybe it should >have been the E46/E90 bodystyle? > > Guess I'm just an E36 luddite. > > -Pete > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:41:38 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos > PS. I just received digest #5150. Isn't that some sort of emergency code for someone who lost their mind? > Only if you've read all 5150 of them... -- Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#3. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:47:19 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos Yup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold) Also a Van Halen album, named after the address of their studio. Also the model of a Peavey guitar amp head designed by Van Halen. Not a fan, I'm just a wealth of useless knowledge. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU Jeff Bjerke 98 M3 Coupe 05 TL 6-Speed (Wife's Car) PS. I just received digest #5150. Isn't that some sort of emergency code for someone who lost their mind? -------------------------------------------------
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#4. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:53:30 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Agreed about the E90 M3. It looks fine, and quite beautiful in 335 guise, but a bit big. Every time I see one, I think it's a 5 series. Too long of a rear deck, IMO. The M3 version should be more tidy. Love the 997, I was drooling over it at the car show. Then I saw this on my way to work: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=67 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=66 Question is, if this is in the snow, what's in the garage?!? Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Well, I think the new 997 911 is one of the nicest looking 911's of all time. I never warmed to the 996 - I still prefer the 993 over that one. But the 997 is just pure art and sex - especially in GT3 trim... Now THAT is a pleasing sports car design!! Caymen isn't bad either, but I would never buy one new - the depreciation curve looks too painful.... Scott --- Hans Batra <hansbatra@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:18:06 -0500 > From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos > > "Agreed. That car looks like crap. Looks just like > all the other blobs on > the > road these days...." > > That's why I love the E36 M3s and the older 911s. > An older 911 looks > NOTHING like what's on the roads these days (except > of course a new 911).
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#5. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos And of course also the title of a VH record - I think the first featuring Sammy as on lead vocals if memory serves.... --- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:47:19 -0500 > From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos > > Yup. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(Involuntary_psychiatric_hold) > Also a Van Halen album, named after the address of > their studio. Also the > model of a Peavey guitar amp head designed by Van > Halen. > Not a fan, I'm just a wealth of useless knowledge. > > Paul Andrews > 98 M3/4 > # 42 STU > > > > Jeff Bjerke > 98 M3 Coupe > 05 TL 6-Speed (Wife's Car) > > PS. I just received digest #5150. Isn't that some > sort of emergency code for > someone who lost their mind? > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos - from Michael Michalski
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:59:46 -0600 From: "Michael Michalski" <m.michalski@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 Photos Jeff asked: "PS. I just received digest #5150. Isn't that some sort of emergency code for someone who lost their mind?" I am sure all the Van Halen fans remember it as one of there albums. A decent one at that :) Michael Michalski
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#7. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:05:30 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos The wifes minivan? :) Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andrews [mailto:emosound@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:58 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:53:30 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Agreed about the E90 M3. It looks fine, and quite beautiful in 335 guise, but a bit big. Every time I see one, I think it's a 5 series. Too long of a rear deck, IMO. The M3 version should be more tidy. Love the 997, I was drooling over it at the car show. Then I saw this on my way to work: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=67 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=66 Question is, if this is in the snow, what's in the garage?!? Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU
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#8. Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos - from Rex Tener
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:12:04 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos At 12:50 PM 2/20/2007, Rich Dorffer wrote: >What has happened to BMW? > >They sell tons of cars, make a lot of money and are one of the most >successful automotive manufacturers in the World. I agree with Rich, hard to get a company to change to "my view" when every month, quarter, year has been a record going back almost 20 years. Oh well, I am doomed :-) to drive an E36 M3 until they bring over a M3 Touring. Rex
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#9. Re: [E36M3] What else to change if I'm doing the head gasket? - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:11:37 -0500 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] What else to change if I'm doing the head gasket? On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 16:43 -0600, Peter Loron wrote: > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:40:20 -0800 > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > Subject: What else to change if I'm doing the head gasket? > > Ok, so I'm finally getting around to pulling the head on my 98 M3. ~85Kmi. > AFAIK, the previous owner had the radiator, and the thermostat + housing and > waterpump changed about 30Kmi ago. I don't know about any of the coolant > hoses. Time to do the cooling system again? > > Can anybody point to a concise list of parts (and part numbers!) that > "should" be one at this juncture? > > Thanks! > > -Pete Pete, I'm also posting this to the list for everyone. This is the list of parts I changed on a 180K 1996. I'm currently waiting on my last run of parts and expect to finish the car this weekend. Fingers crossed. Strictly speaking my inexperienced belief is that a high mileage head job should include the following: All radiator hoses and radiator, tensioners (2) and pulleys (2) accessory belts, water pump, bmw coolant, enough oil for 2 changes, crankshaft position sensor, knock sensors, camshaft position sensor, bolt timing chain tensioners, vanos oil line and crush washers, vacuum hoses, head gasket set, head bolt set, exhaust bolt/nut set, radiator expansion tank, The tiny coolant hoses for the dual zone climate control are insane, one of them is over $100. I'm replacing anyway. I will NOT have done this work just to have some little cooling system component fail. The only thing allowed to fail at this point is a heater core or the plastic nipples on the valve. Regarding tools I'd be happy to let you borrow mine for a month or two for a small fee. I'm thinking $50, so over the course of the year I can make back the money I spent and save other people money. I think another part of the deal will be if you screw up and need the tools again, re-rental is free. The total cost of all the tools is $500+ for OEM or $200+ for SIR tools and other discount. The tools you need are: The cam locator bracket that holds the cams in place SIR tools Block TDC pin SIR Tools (this piece of garbage needed to be shaved down with the dremel to fit into the hole. Could be because the hole had some rust on it. Nightmare and a half) The exhaust sprocket turning tool because it's spring loaded (oem, fits great) Dummy primary chain tensioner (dunno if it works yet, but OEM) fan wrench and holder (oem) head bolt socket (OEM - Do NOT try anything but OEM for this one) You also need the $20 Torx E-* socket set from pep boys or sears hardware. Annoying :-P 07 11 9 963 130 Oil Gasket - 12 x 15.5 Al 11 12 1 717 432 Flange (not part of head gasket set) 11 12 1 721 938 Head bolt set - OEM Febi/Bilstein 11 28 1 717 188 Accessory Belt Tensioner - OEM Febi/Bilstein 11 28 1 717 210 Accessory Belt Tensioner - OEM Febi/Bilstein 11 28 1 730 532 Protective Ring for Pulley 11 28 1 748 131 Accessory Belt Pulley - A/C & Serpentine qty 2 11 36 1 705 532 Oil Line - OEM Cohliline 11 51 7 527 799 Water Pump Metal Impeller - OEM Graf 11 53 1 740 649 Expansion Tank Hose 12 14 1 703 221 Camshaft Position Sensor 13 54 1 703 865 Radiator Hose - OEM Elaplast 13 54 1 703 945 Radiator Hose 17 11 1 723 520 Radiator Expansion Tank - OEM Behr 17 11 1 723 521 Radiator Hose 32 41 1 093 596 VANOS Gasket - 14 x 20 Al qty 4 (crush washers for oil line) 83 30 0 491 025 Chain Tensioner - Used to tension primary chain 83 30 0 491 047 32mm fan wrench 83 30 0 491 048 fan holder 83 30 0 491 062 VANOS Chain Tensioner - Used to remove the VANOS 88 88 6 112 250 Head Bolt Socket - E12 64 21 1 394 293 Hose that goes to the Heater Core 11129069861 Head gasket set - OEM Victor Reinz 64218391239 dual zone climate control heater hose 64218391240 dual zone climate control heater hose 11531703844 heater return hose? 12139067831 spark plug connector - OEM Bremi qty 6 12141703276 knock sensor - OEM VDO 12141709616 crankshaft position sensor in conjunction with adapter lead 12514592703 (see SI 122701000). 07129902630 exhaust manifold nuts (think these are 1pk, qty 24) 11121744057 exhaust manifold studs qty 24 51731257971 vacuum hose 51731259951 vacuum hose 11731435335 vacuum hose (2) 11731714217 vacuum hose 12141748398 o ring for crankshaft position sensor 11427833769 oil filter kit - OEM Mahle (qty 2) 07589062376 3-Bond 1209 RTV sealant 82141467704 BMW Coolant (Gallon) (qty 3) I plan to do a full web based writeup with parts lists because several steps had quite a few gotchas. Like that you can't take the last 2 head bolts out with the cam locator on, but I was afraid to take it off thinking the cams would spin. Logically I thought about it and realized the only place a valve would go is closed so I risked it, but when I pulled it the cams didn't turn at all and this is what you're supposed to do. There's plenty of other gotchas that I wouldn't have gotten through if it wasn't for this group. Thanks again guys, Mark
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#10. RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos - from stiles
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:16:21 -0800 From: "stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Not a GT3, FWIW. Looks like a 996 w/the aero package and wannabe badging. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andrews [mailto:emosound@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:58 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:53:30 -0500 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Agreed about the E90 M3. It looks fine, and quite beautiful in 335 guise, but a bit big. Every time I see one, I think it's a 5 series. Too long of a rear deck, IMO. The M3 version should be more tidy. Love the 997, I was drooling over it at the car show. Then I saw this on my way to work: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=67 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2095556228&idx=66 Question is, if this is in the snow, what's in the garage?!? Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos Well, I think the new 997 911 is one of the nicest looking 911's of all time. I never warmed to the 996 - I still prefer the 993 over that one. But the 997 is just pure art and sex - especially in GT3 trim... Now THAT is a pleasing sports car design!! Caymen isn't bad either, but I would never buy one new - the depreciation curve looks too painful.... Scott --- Hans Batra <hansbatra@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:18:06 -0500 > From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E90 M3 photos > > "Agreed. That car looks like crap. Looks just like > all the other blobs on > the > road these days...." > > That's why I love the E36 M3s and the older 911s. > An older 911 looks > NOTHING like what's on the roads these days (except > of course a new 911). ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************