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#1. RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from William Townsend
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:33:51 -0500 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. I've been here before too. The exact same scenario. Car in the run position, cylinder spins freely. I broke out the directions on how to remove the cylinder. 1 hr later, not a chance it was coming out that way. So I ended up just hotwiring the starter off the ignition switch to start it in my garage. (flat driveway, no one to help push start it, but I had copper wire) Drove it to the dealer. (at least I save the tow!) They tried using the BMW tool, not a chance. Had to drill the damn thing out. Needed a new lock cylinder and lock cylinder housing. All said and done: labor, parts, broken drill bits etc -- $850. If this is happening to your car but still catches, replace it now, while it is still removable! --Bill 96 M3 red
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:09:35 -0800 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. Okay, now I'm nervous. How much was that cyl. ? What do I need to do to order one from the dealer? Where is the FAQ? Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Feb 23, 2007, at 7:37 AM, William Townsend wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:33:51 -0500 > From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> > Subject: RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. > > > I've been here before too. The exact same scenario. Car in the run > position, cylinder spins freely. I broke out the directions on how to > remove the cylinder. 1 hr later, not a chance it was coming out that > way. So I ended up just hotwiring the starter off the ignition > switch to > start it in my garage. (flat driveway, no one to help push start > it, but > I had copper wire) > > Drove it to the dealer. (at least I save the tow!) They tried using > the > BMW tool, not a chance. Had to drill the damn thing out. Needed a new > lock cylinder and lock cylinder housing. All said and done: labor, > parts, broken drill bits etc -- $850. > > If this is happening to your car but still catches, replace it now, > while it is still removable! > > --Bill > 96 M3 red > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from David Thomas
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:40:08 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. On Friday 23 February 2007 10:17:34 am Kent Shephard wrote: > Okay, now I'm nervous. > How much was that cyl. ? I think mine was about $80-90 when I got it a year ago. > What do I need to do to order one from the dealer? You will need proof that you own the car (registration and drivers license) and your VIN. Would be a good time to get a new key if yours are worn...same procedure. Dave T.
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#4. Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:58:54 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. on 2/23/07 8:27 AM, David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > I dug up a URL from a UUC list post a few weeks old that has great pics of the > cylinder and shows you the small tab that breaks...see the last image on the > page. If your cylinder is spinning its only catching on the jagged edges of > the broken off tab. Once its worn smooth its going to be spin city for ya. > <http://www.bolhuijo.com/bmwlockcylinder/> IIRC correctly there was some subsequent discussion suggesting that something stiffer than a paperclip, for instance a very small allen key, works better. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from David Thomas
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:12:39 -0800 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. On Friday 23 February 2007 11:07:34 am Neil Maller wrote: > IIRC correctly there was some subsequent discussion suggesting that > something stiffer than a paperclip, for instance a very small allen key, > works better. The large paperclips work, the little ones don't, but if you could get the correct bend in something like an allen wrench without it breaking that would be better. Gotta have that little bend at the end. You could probably get one bent right with a little heat. Dave T
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#6. Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Steve Klein
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:17:34 -0600 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. Thanks for the replies, folks. I tried the paperclip to no avail and wound up removing the main switch housing on the opposite end, so I can start the car with a screwdriver... When it stopped reacting to my turning, the car was in the Run position, and even though I can get the cylinder to spin 360º and get the paperclip to insert about an inch, I think I have to rotate the shaft that interfaces with the switch back to the off position first. I haven't done so because the steering wheel lock is disabled at the moment and I have to be able to drive. The problem becomes an opportunity, tho, since I've been thinking for a while of how to eliminate the ignition cyl. and have a power-on switch and a starter button in a concealed location. I'll just have to move the antenna to a location near the center console where I can make a cradle with it for the key. And a smaller steering wheel is in order for my big knees... Thanks again for your help. Once I dig further to remove the cylinder, I'll get pics and post any useful info I come across in the process. Steve On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:58:54 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Ack. Ignition cyl woes. > > on 2/23/07 8:27 AM, David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote: > >> I dug up a URL from a UUC list post a few weeks old that has great >> pics of the >> cylinder and shows you the small tab that breaks...see the last >> image on the >> page. If your cylinder is spinning its only catching on the jagged >> edges of >> the broken off tab. Once its worn smooth its going to be spin city >> for ya. >> <http://www.bolhuijo.com/bmwlockcylinder/> > > IIRC correctly there was some subsequent discussion suggesting that > something stiffer than a paperclip, for instance a very small allen > key, > works better. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Carl Stern
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:32 -0700 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. > As a shop owner, we round up on the labor guide time if it's under an hour > because we have to put it on the lift, get started on the job and clean up > afterwards. This doesn't mean that we round up all individual steps, just > the total, so, if you needed 3 things fixed at .6 hours each, we would > charge 2.0 hours instead of 1.8. As long as you aren't rounding two 30 minute jobs up and charging customers 2 hours labor for 1 hour of work. That's called overbooking, and even lawyers have gone to jail for that. (well, probably really nice jails) Doesn't the "book" know which jobs require lifts and plan the time for it? Isn't getting started on a job part of doing the job? Carl
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:33:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. On Fri, February 23, 2007 11:27 am, Carl Stern said: >> so, if you needed 3 things fixed at .6 hours each, we would >> charge 2.0 hours instead of 1.8. > > As long as you aren't rounding two 30 minute jobs up and charging > customers 2 hours > labor for 1 hour of work. Math's not your strong suit, is it? :-) Not that I'm defending the practice, but what was mentioned was THREE 36-minute jobs. That's 108 minutes. Rounding up to 2 hours adds only 12 minutes. Jim Bassett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Kent Shephard
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:55:24 -0800 From: Kent Shephard <Kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. That is what he was talking about. Taking the two jobs and rounding up, then adding them; not adding them, then rounding. order makes the difference. Kent Shephard kents@kshephard.com On Feb 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Jim Bassett wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:33:17 -0800 (PST) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. > > On Fri, February 23, 2007 11:27 am, Carl Stern said: >>> so, if you needed 3 things fixed at .6 hours each, we would >>> charge 2.0 hours instead of 1.8. >> >> As long as you aren't rounding two 30 minute jobs up and charging >> customers 2 hours >> labor for 1 hour of work. > > Math's not your strong suit, is it? :-) > > Not that I'm defending the practice, but what was mentioned was THREE > 36-minute jobs. That's 108 minutes. Rounding up to 2 hours adds > only 12 > minutes. > > Jim Bassett > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ack. Ignition cyl woes. On Fri, February 23, 2007 11:55 am, Kent Shephard said: > That is what he was talking about. > Taking the two jobs and rounding up, then adding them; not adding > them, then rounding. > order makes the difference. Never-*^^#!!&$#)-mind. Obviously, reading comprehension isn't MY strong suit. Apologies to Carl. Jim Bassett - "Waiter, more scotch!"