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#1. Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from J Files
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:06:58 -0700 From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Thanks Mike. As I initially wrote, this is not a car that gets put away for the winter - this is San Diego, we barely have Winter. It is a car that gets low mileage due to a number of factors (business miles go on another car, baby seat only in wife's 325, bike commuting). I go through about a tank of gas per month, every month. The car never gets turned on just to be turned on - if I fire it up, its getting driven. Drove to the office and an appointment today, as I hadn't had it out in a week or so. Then it will sit at home, as I'll pedal in Friday, and Saturday, the family will be in the 325 for our excursions. Sunday, who knows. I hear the point on the oil. I'm not sure I knew about its acidic nature, but that is worth repeating even if I did not. Other fluids will likely stay on their normal replacement schedules - time or distance. Jim On 3/15/07, Mike DePolo <smiked1@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:19:46 -0500 > From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > I store my cars for the winter. I change my oil before storage, and my > coolant every other year. If you do any kind of annual fluid change > (diff, > trans, PS, etc.) it should be done before storage. Used oil is acidic and > can contain condensation. I flush my brake fluid after storage because > brake fluid is hygroscopic. If your brake fluid is old, you may want to > flush before storage. Moisture in the brake system can can corrode and > seize calipers while sitting. I also use fuel stabilizer and a battery > tender. > > It's not a good idea to start the car at all unless your going to get it > up > to full operating temp and drive it a good distance. Starting and idling > or > short trips will just build up condensation in your oil and exhaust > system. > The first start after storage is the most damaging. Your likely doing > more > harm than good starting a car every few weeks if you don't actually need > to > drive it. I put the OBC in "code" mode before the initial start after > storage. I then crank the engine until it builds up oil pressure. If > the car doesn't have this feature, I pull the fuel pump relay or coil wire > and crank. If the car has been in storage an extremely long period of > time, > you may want to crank it without the plugs until it builds oil pressure. > This will relieve some pressure from the rod and main bearings which ride > on > a film of oil. > > I don't put the car up on stands. I find that any flat spotting of the > tires usually goes away after some driving. I've also read that letting > the > shocks and struts hang can cause corrosion on the shafts which could > otherwise protected inside the tube. If necessary, the car can also be > quickly started and moved in an emergency (garage fire, flood, etc). > > > > Mike > > > > > On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:17:25 -0700 > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > Thanks. > > > > Other thoughts from the list for a low use M3? It is garaged, but not > > garaged for the "winter" - if you can call the season between summers > > "winter" in San Diego. > > > > Jim > > > > On 3/14/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700 > > > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > > > Subject: m3 pseudo storage > > > > > > Change the oil annually, whether it is indicated or not, oil oxidizes. > > > Stick to change intervals for brake fluid and coolant also. > > > > > > By the way, coolant at the dealer is running $17 a gallon here > (Seattle) > > > locally, after hitting a high of $28 a year ago. > > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0700 > > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > > > Similar situation here - my '98 is not getting the miles it used to, > > > thanks to many factors (car for business miles, baby seat only in > wife's > > > 325, bike commuting). > > > > > > I think I managed 13 tanks of gas in 2006. I would have to check the > > > log book to be sure, but that's roughly the 4k you name. > > > > > > This is not a "put it away for the winter" car; its a garaged car that > > > gets driven at least twice every three weeks - I'll commute in it if I > > > have not been in it lately, drive it if we manage to go out without > the > > > baby, etc. > > > > > > Now that its gone through this low-mileage-but-regular-use method for > a > > > year, any thing special that I should pay attention to? I expect this > > > will continue for a while, any thoughts for going forward? Jim > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Is there life after 150K??? - from Alan Leung
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:26:52 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Is there life after 150K??? While I totally agree that the E36 M3 is hard to replace and offers lots of opportunity for "refreshment", but in general for a mostly street driven car I'd need to consider where the risk-benefit tipping point is. For example a rebuilt motor, even with cams, is still way less than a new car but if you get totaled on the street you're out that much. The same applies to other big $ mods. What do others think? Alan _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Is there life after 150K??? - from David Thomas
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:39:20 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Is there life after 150K??? On Thursday 15 March 2007 3:27:30 pm Alan Leung wrote: > While I totally agree that the E36 M3 is hard to replace and offers lots of > opportunity for "refreshment", but in general for a mostly street driven > car I'd need to consider where the risk-benefit tipping point is. For > example a rebuilt motor, even with cams, is still way less than a new car > but if you get totaled on the street you're out that much. The same > applies to other big $ mods. What do others think? I don't really see it that way. Even on a new car your not going to get any recovery on big $ mods if you total it (or even if you sell it..mods don't really add value). Besides...if I put a S54 and a 6 speed in my M3 and then total it...the S54 and 6 speed will go into the next E36 or E30 I get. If you crash your M3 so bad that none of your 'mods' can be transplanted the value of your car is probably the least of your concern anyway... Dave T.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Mike DePolo
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:18:37 -0400 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Yeah, didn't necessarily think everything I said applied to your situation. I thought I'd chime in since we were talking sitting, storage, etc. My e30 M3 gets the same type of use as your car during months with good weather. If it hasn't been started within the last few days, I still let it crank until the oil pressure comes up before starting. It's really easy on that car using the "code" function. Makes me feel better about the cold starts every few weeks and I think it cuts down on my timing chain rattle at startup. I don't notice this rattle on my e36, even though they use the same tensioner. Mike On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:06:58 -0700 > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Thanks Mike. > > As I initially wrote, this is not a car that gets put away for the winter > - > this is San Diego, we barely have Winter. It is a car that gets low > mileage > due to a number of factors (business miles go on another car, baby seat > only > in wife's 325, bike commuting). I go through about a tank of gas per > month, > every month. The car never gets turned on just to be turned on - if I > fire > it up, its getting driven. Drove to the office and an appointment today, > as > I hadn't had it out in a week or so. Then it will sit at home, as I'll > pedal in Friday, and Saturday, the family will be in the 325 for our > excursions. Sunday, who knows. > > I hear the point on the oil. I'm not sure I knew about its acidic nature, > but that is worth repeating even if I did not. > > Other fluids will likely stay on their normal replacement schedules - time > or distance. > > Jim >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:59:57 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage So that is what the button is for on the mega button OBC. How does it work, what is the procedure? Is this what it was originally intended for? I've pushed it before to see what happens, and I don't remember anything noticeable. This was during driving thou. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:19:46 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage I store my cars for the winter. I change my oil before storage, and my coolant every other year. If you do any kind of annual fluid change (diff, trans, PS, etc.) it should be done before storage. Used oil is acidic and can contain condensation. I flush my brake fluid after storage because brake fluid is hygroscopic. If your brake fluid is old, you may want to flush before storage. Moisture in the brake system can can corrode and seize calipers while sitting. I also use fuel stabilizer and a battery tender. It's not a good idea to start the car at all unless your going to get it up to full operating temp and drive it a good distance. Starting and idling or short trips will just build up condensation in your oil and exhaust system. The first start after storage is the most damaging. Your likely doing more harm than good starting a car every few weeks if you don't actually need to drive it. I put the OBC in "code" mode before the initial start after storage. I then crank the engine until it builds up oil pressure. If the car doesn't have this feature, I pull the fuel pump relay or coil wire and crank. If the car has been in storage an extremely long period of time, you may want to crank it without the plugs until it builds oil pressure. This will relieve some pressure from the rod and main bearings which ride on a film of oil. I don't put the car up on stands. I find that any flat spotting of the tires usually goes away after some driving. I've also read that letting the shocks and struts hang can cause corrosion on the shafts which could otherwise protected inside the tube. If necessary, the car can also be quickly started and moved in an emergency (garage fire, flood, etc). Mike On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:17:25 -0700 > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Thanks. > > Other thoughts from the list for a low use M3? It is garaged, but not > garaged for the "winter" - if you can call the season between summers > "winter" in San Diego. > > Jim > > On 3/14/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700 > > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > > Subject: m3 pseudo storage > > > > Change the oil annually, whether it is indicated or not, oil oxidizes. > > Stick to change intervals for brake fluid and coolant also. > > > > By the way, coolant at the dealer is running $17 a gallon here (Seattle) > > locally, after hitting a high of $28 a year ago. > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0700 > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > Similar situation here - my '98 is not getting the miles it used to, > > thanks to many factors (car for business miles, baby seat only in wife's > > 325, bike commuting). > > > > I think I managed 13 tanks of gas in 2006. I would have to check the > > log book to be sure, but that's roughly the 4k you name. > > > > This is not a "put it away for the winter" car; its a garaged car that > > gets driven at least twice every three weeks - I'll commute in it if I > > have not been in it lately, drive it if we manage to go out without the > > baby, etc. > > > > Now that its gone through this low-mileage-but-regular-use method for a > > year, any thing special that I should pay attention to? I expect this > > will continue for a while, any thoughts for going forward? Jim > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:19:11 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Pat, I think what he's saying about the "code" button, is that once you set it with a three or four digit number of your choosing (can't remember if it's 3 or 4 numbers), then the system will not allow the car to start until the code number is re-entered. The engine will crank over, but not start. Slick little safety feature with the OBC. I've never used it. I actually thought it disconnected the ignition switch, but I guess not. Sounds like it just cuts power to the spark plugs. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:59:57 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage So that is what the button is for on the mega button OBC. How does it work, what is the procedure? Is this what it was originally intended for? I've pushed it before to see what happens, and I don't remember anything noticeable. This was during driving thou. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:19:46 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage I store my cars for the winter. I change my oil before storage, and my coolant every other year. If you do any kind of annual fluid change (diff, trans, PS, etc.) it should be done before storage. Used oil is acidic and can contain condensation. I flush my brake fluid after storage because brake fluid is hygroscopic. If your brake fluid is old, you may want to flush before storage. Moisture in the brake system can can corrode and seize calipers while sitting. I also use fuel stabilizer and a battery tender. It's not a good idea to start the car at all unless your going to get it up to full operating temp and drive it a good distance. Starting and idling or short trips will just build up condensation in your oil and exhaust system. The first start after storage is the most damaging. Your likely doing more harm than good starting a car every few weeks if you don't actually need to drive it. I put the OBC in "code" mode before the initial start after storage. I then crank the engine until it builds up oil pressure. If the car doesn't have this feature, I pull the fuel pump relay or coil wire and crank. If the car has been in storage an extremely long period of time, you may want to crank it without the plugs until it builds oil pressure. This will relieve some pressure from the rod and main bearings which ride on a film of oil. I don't put the car up on stands. I find that any flat spotting of the tires usually goes away after some driving. I've also read that letting the shocks and struts hang can cause corrosion on the shafts which could otherwise protected inside the tube. If necessary, the car can also be quickly started and moved in an emergency (garage fire, flood, etc). Mike On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:17:25 -0700 > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Thanks. > > Other thoughts from the list for a low use M3? It is garaged, but not > garaged for the "winter" - if you can call the season between summers > "winter" in San Diego. > > Jim > > On 3/14/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700 > > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > > Subject: m3 pseudo storage > > > > Change the oil annually, whether it is indicated or not, oil oxidizes. > > Stick to change intervals for brake fluid and coolant also. > > > > By the way, coolant at the dealer is running $17 a gallon here (Seattle) > > locally, after hitting a high of $28 a year ago. > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0700 > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > Similar situation here - my '98 is not getting the miles it used to, > > thanks to many factors (car for business miles, baby seat only in wife's > > 325, bike commuting). > > > > I think I managed 13 tanks of gas in 2006. I would have to check the > > log book to be sure, but that's roughly the 4k you name. > > > > This is not a "put it away for the winter" car; its a garaged car that > > gets driven at least twice every three weeks - I'll commute in it if I > > have not been in it lately, drive it if we manage to go out without the > > baby, etc. > > > > Now that its gone through this low-mileage-but-regular-use method for a > > year, any thing special that I should pay attention to? I expect this > > will continue for a while, any thoughts for going forward? Jim > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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#7. RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:27:08 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Interesting, so probably just hit the set/reset button and then enter a code and have at it? Cool feature. Can anybody verify the procedure before I send my car into complete hibernation? Patrick ________________________________ From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:19 AM To: Goss, Patrick - PA; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Pat, I think what he's saying about the "code" button, is that once you set it with a three or four digit number of your choosing (can't remember if it's 3 or 4 numbers), then the system will not allow the car to start until the code number is re-entered. The engine will crank over, but not start. Slick little safety feature with the OBC. I've never used it. I actually thought it disconnected the ignition switch, but I guess not. Sounds like it just cuts power to the spark plugs. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:59:57 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage So that is what the button is for on the mega button OBC. How does it work, what is the procedure? Is this what it was originally intended for? I've pushed it before to see what happens, and I don't remember anything noticeable. This was during driving thou. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> ] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:19:46 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage I store my cars for the winter. I change my oil before storage, and my coolant every other year. If you do any kind of annual fluid change (diff, trans, PS, etc.) it should be done before storage. Used oil is acidic and can contain condensation. I flush my brake fluid after storage because brake fluid is hygroscopic. If your brake fluid is old, you may want to flush before storage. Moisture in the brake system can can corrode and seize calipers while sitting. I also use fuel stabilizer and a battery tender. It's not a good idea to start the car at all unless your going to get it up to full operating temp and drive it a good distance. Starting and idling or short trips will just build up condensation in your oil and exhaust system. The first start after storage is the most damaging. Your likely doing more harm than good starting a car every few weeks if you don't actually need to drive it. I put the OBC in "code" mode before the initial start after storage. I then crank the engine until it builds up oil pressure. If the car doesn't have this feature, I pull the fuel pump relay or coil wire and crank. If the car has been in storage an extremely long period of time, you may want to crank it without the plugs until it builds oil pressure. This will relieve some pressure from the rod and main bearings which ride on a film of oil. I don't put the car up on stands. I find that any flat spotting of the tires usually goes away after some driving. I've also read that letting the shocks and struts hang can cause corrosion on the shafts which could otherwise protected inside the tube. If necessary, the car can also be quickly started and moved in an emergency (garage fire, flood, etc). Mike On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > wrote: > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:17:25 -0700 > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Thanks. > > Other thoughts from the list for a low use M3? It is garaged, but not > garaged for the "winter" - if you can call the season between summers > "winter" in San Diego. > > Jim > > On 3/14/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700 > > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > > > Subject: m3 pseudo storage > > > > Change the oil annually, whether it is indicated or not, oil oxidizes. > > Stick to change intervals for brake fluid and coolant also. > > > > By the way, coolant at the dealer is running $17 a gallon here (Seattle) > > locally, after hitting a high of $28 a year ago. > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0700 > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com <javascript:parent.ComposeTo(> > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > Similar situation here - my '98 is not getting the miles it used to, > > thanks to many factors (car for business miles, baby seat only in wife's > > 325, bike commuting). > > > > I think I managed 13 tanks of gas in 2006. I would have to check the > > log book to be sure, but that's roughly the 4k you name. > > > > This is not a "put it away for the winter" car; its a garaged car that > > gets driven at least twice every three weeks - I'll commute in it if I > > have not been in it lately, drive it if we manage to go out without the > > baby, etc. > > > > Now that its gone through this low-mileage-but-regular-use method for a > > year, any thing special that I should pay attention to? I expect this > > will continue for a while, any thoughts for going forward? 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#8. RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage On Fri, March 16, 2007 7:27 am, Goss, Patrick - PA said: > Interesting, so probably just hit the set/reset button and then enter a > code and have at it? Cool feature. Can anybody verify the procedure > before I send my car into complete hibernation? Not to be a complete smart-a$$ (right, like you folks wouldn't expect anything else :-)), why not check your Owner's Manual? Don't have one? You can get one from the dealer (or other well-connected parts supplier). Jim Bassett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:27:07 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Speakin' of which... The dealers (at least around here) no longer carry the original style color owner's manual, only a "supplement" which is a black-and-white photocopied version of one bound with a transparency on the front and tape on the edge. :-/ Booo. If anyone can get a new original manual for a 95 M3 for a reasonable price, let me know! Brian On 3/16/07, Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > On Fri, March 16, 2007 7:27 am, Goss, Patrick - PA said: > > Interesting, so probably just hit the set/reset button and then enter a > > code and have at it? Cool feature. Can anybody verify the procedure > > before I send my car into complete hibernation? > > Not to be a complete smart-a$$ (right, like you folks wouldn't expect > anything else :-)), why not check your Owner's Manual? Don't have one? You > can get one from the dealer (or other well-connected parts supplier). > > Jim Bassett > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage - from Mike DePolo
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:13:15 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage Can't remember the last time I used the code feature on the e36, but I think it works the same way. Turn the key to the on position without starting the engine, then press the code button. You can then enter a four digit code using the numeric keys, then turn off the ignition. The next time you attempt to start the car the OBC will display code until you enter the code you programmed. If you attempt to start the car it will just crank, unless you first enter the code. I'll try it again this weekend on the e36. I'm going to feel really stupid if it works differently than I'm recalling on the e36. That's definitely how it works on the e30 and the other BMW's I've owned. Mike On 3/16/07, mdriver13@aol.com <mdriver13@aol.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:19:11 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Pat, > > I think what he's saying about the "code" button, is that once you set it > with a three or four digit number of your choosing (can't remember if it's 3 > or 4 numbers), then the system will not allow the car to start until the > code number is re-entered. The engine will crank over, but not > start. Slick little safety feature with the OBC. I've never used it. I > actually thought it disconnected the ignition switch, but I guess > not. Sounds like it just cuts power to the spark plugs. > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM > To: e36m3@bmw-m.net > Sent: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 9:07 AM > Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:59:57 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > So that is what the button is for on the mega button OBC. How does it > work, what is the procedure? Is this what it was originally intended > for? I've pushed it before to see what happens, and I don't remember > anything noticeable. This was during driving thou. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike DePolo [mailto:smiked1@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:28 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:19:46 -0500 > From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > I store my cars for the winter. I change my oil before storage, and my > coolant every other year. If you do any kind of annual fluid change > (diff, > trans, PS, etc.) it should be done before storage. Used oil is acidic > and > can contain condensation. I flush my brake fluid after storage because > brake fluid is hygroscopic. If your brake fluid is old, you may want to > flush before storage. Moisture in the brake system can can corrode and > seize calipers while sitting. I also use fuel stabilizer and a battery > tender. > > It's not a good idea to start the car at all unless your going to get it > up > to full operating temp and drive it a good distance. Starting and > idling or > short trips will just build up condensation in your oil and exhaust > system. > The first start after storage is the most damaging. Your likely doing > more > harm than good starting a car every few weeks if you don't actually need > to > drive it. I put the OBC in "code" mode before the initial start after > storage. I then crank the engine until it builds up oil pressure. If > the car doesn't have this feature, I pull the fuel pump relay or coil > wire > and crank. If the car has been in storage an extremely long period of > time, > you may want to crank it without the plugs until it builds oil pressure. > This will relieve some pressure from the rod and main bearings which > ride on > a film of oil. > > I don't put the car up on stands. I find that any flat spotting of the > tires usually goes away after some driving. I've also read that letting > the > shocks and struts hang can cause corrosion on the shafts which could > otherwise protected inside the tube. If necessary, the car can also be > quickly started and moved in an emergency (garage fire, flood, etc). > > > > Mike > > > > > On 3/15/07, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:17:25 -0700 > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > Thanks. > > > > Other thoughts from the list for a low use M3? It is garaged, but not > > garaged for the "winter" - if you can call the season between summers > > "winter" in San Diego. > > > > Jim > > > > On 3/14/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > > > > > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700 > > > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > > > Subject: m3 pseudo storage > > > > > > Change the oil annually, whether it is indicated or not, oil > oxidizes. > > > Stick to change intervals for brake fluid and coolant also. > > > > > > By the way, coolant at the dealer is running $17 a gallon here > (Seattle) > > > locally, after hitting a high of $28 a year ago. > > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0700 > > > From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] m3 pseudo storage > > > > > > Similar situation here - my '98 is not getting the miles it used to, > > > thanks to many factors (car for business miles, baby seat only in > wife's > > > 325, bike commuting). > > > > > > I think I managed 13 tanks of gas in 2006. I would have to check > the > > > log book to be sure, but that's roughly the 4k you name. > > > > > > This is not a "put it away for the winter" car; its a garaged car > that > > > gets driven at least twice every three weeks - I'll commute in it if > I > > > have not been in it lately, drive it if we manage to go out without > the > > > baby, etc. > > > > > > Now that its gone through this low-mileage-but-regular-use method > for a > > > year, any thing special that I should pay attention to? I expect > this > > > will continue for a while, any thoughts for going forward? 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