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#1. First oil change after head gasket replacement - from Peter Loron
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:50:58 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: First oil change after head gasket replacement So I'm finally about ready to try firing up the M3 after repairing the head and getting everything (I hope!) reinstalled. I plan to change the oil after some short (50 miles?) interval. Thoughts on which oil to use for the initial "sacrificial" fill? I'd rather not throw away 7 quarts of good synthetic if I don't have to... -Pete
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#2. Angel Eyes - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:51:25 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Angel Eyes Has anyone installed angel eyes? I want to put them in/on DEPO Euro Ellipsoid Lights. How easy/difficult is it? What are the things to be careful about? What is the source for the hardware? Thanks, Bill Ft. Worth e36 e38 e39
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Angel Eyes - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:05:58 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Angel Eyes I haven't installed them, but in response to your 3rd question be careful not to snap the depo housing tabs off when removing. They are pathetically brittle and so are the side marker retaining tabs. Patrick 97 M3/4 W/ depo angel thingys pre-installed, tabs epoxied -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sharp [mailto:M3@cueframe.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Angel Eyes Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:51:25 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Angel Eyes Has anyone installed angel eyes? I want to put them in/on DEPO Euro Ellipsoid Lights. How easy/difficult is it? What are the things to be careful about? What is the source for the hardware? Thanks, Bill Ft. Worth e36 e38 e39 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:45:33 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement Can't recommend anything particular, but can offer something to think about. I've been instructed by a mechanic before about using a quart of ATF to help clean an engine out internally, as apparently most quality brands have increased detergents well beyond oil to "flush" gunk and dirt out. I haven't done this personally, and am not sure I could actually bring myself to do this without tons of verification it is okay for a bimmer. My father purchased a rather maintenance neglected acura legend years ago that had some lifter clatter and oil consumption. He tried the ATF as instructed for 100 miles and the clatter all but disappeared and oil burning improved, so apparently it freed up the gunky lifters and oiling rings. Maybe someone else on the list can validate, or add caution as per your use of it. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Peter Loron [mailto:peterloron@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:50:58 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: First oil change after head gasket replacement So I'm finally about ready to try firing up the M3 after repairing the head and getting everything (I hope!) reinstalled. I plan to change the oil after some short (50 miles?) interval. Thoughts on which oil to use for the initial "sacrificial" fill? I'd rather not throw away 7 quarts of good synthetic if I don't have to... -Pete ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement - from Mike DePolo
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:33:22 -0500 From: "Mike DePolo" <smiked1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement I use Chevron Delo 400 15w40 HDEO for flushing after assembly. It's one of the best mineral oils your can get, has a lot of moly for protection, and a good detergent package. It's also cheap and comes in jugs. It's easier to fill this way and I use the jugs for recycling oil. Mike On 3/21/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:45:33 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement > > Can't recommend anything particular, but can offer something to think > about. I've been instructed by a mechanic before about using a quart of > ATF to help clean an engine out internally, as apparently most quality > brands have increased detergents well beyond oil to "flush" gunk and > dirt out. I haven't done this personally, and am not sure I could > actually bring myself to do this without tons of verification it is okay > for a bimmer. My father purchased a rather maintenance neglected acura > legend years ago that had some lifter clatter and oil consumption. He > tried the ATF as instructed for 100 miles and the clatter all but > disappeared and oil burning improved, so apparently it freed up the > gunky lifters and oiling rings. Maybe someone else on the list can > validate, or add caution as per your use of it. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Loron [mailto:peterloron@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:57 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:50:58 -0700 > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > Subject: First oil change after head gasket replacement > > So I'm finally about ready to try firing up the M3 after repairing the > head > and getting everything (I hope!) reinstalled. I plan to change the oil > after > some short (50 miles?) interval. > > Thoughts on which oil to use for the initial "sacrificial" fill? I'd > rather > not throw away 7 quarts of good synthetic if I don't have to... > > -Pete > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement - from Peter Loron
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:23:06 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement Ah, yeah! I was thinking about this exact oil. Thanks! -Pete On 3/21/07, Mike DePolo <smiked1@gmail.com> wrote: > > I use Chevron Delo 400 15w40 HDEO for flushing after assembly. It's one > of the best mineral oils your can get, has a lot of moly for protection, and > a good detergent package. It's also cheap and comes in jugs. It's easier > to fill this way and I use the jugs for recycling oil. > > > Mike > > > On 3/21/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:45:33 -0500 > > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" < Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement > > > > Can't recommend anything particular, but can offer something to think > > about. I've been instructed by a mechanic before about using a quart of > > > > ATF to help clean an engine out internally, as apparently most quality > > brands have increased detergents well beyond oil to "flush" gunk and > > dirt out. I haven't done this personally, and am not sure I could > > actually bring myself to do this without tons of verification it is okay > > for a bimmer. My father purchased a rather maintenance neglected acura > > legend years ago that had some lifter clatter and oil consumption. He > > tried the ATF as instructed for 100 miles and the clatter all but > > disappeared and oil burning improved, so apparently it freed up the > > gunky lifters and oiling rings. Maybe someone else on the list can > > validate, or add caution as per your use of it. > > > > Patrick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Loron [mailto:peterloron@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:57 AM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement > > > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:50:58 -0700 > > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > > Subject: First oil change after head gasket replacement > > > > So I'm finally about ready to try firing up the M3 after repairing the > > head > > and getting everything (I hope!) reinstalled. I plan to change the oil > > after > > some short (50 miles?) interval. > > > > Thoughts on which oil to use for the initial "sacrificial" fill? I'd > > rather > > not throw away 7 quarts of good synthetic if I don't have to... > > > > -Pete > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement - from jeff.conner@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff.conner@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] First oil change after head gasket replacement This is something that my mechanic recommends to rid cars of the "dreaded idle lifter tick". If it's okay for that application, it should probably also be useful for this one. He's got way more knowledge and experience than I, so I'll take his word for it. Good luck! -jeff S52 Sedan | S50 Trackdog > I've been instructed by a mechanic before about using a quart of > ATF to help clean an engine out internally, as apparently most quality > brands have increased detergents well beyond oil to "flush" gunk and > dirt out. I haven't done this personally, and am not sure I could > actually bring myself to do this without tons of verification it is okay > for a bimmer. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
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#8. What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:49:19 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL??
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#9. Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? - from Peter Loron
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:20:08 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? IIRC, if you take a look near the fill port, you'll see a yellow sticker that specifies which type to put in. -Pete On 3/22/07, Kent L. Shephard <e36m3@kshephard.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:49:19 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> > Subject: What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:36:53 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? Depending on what year your BMW is, the sticker may say it is "lifetime fill - do not replace." The answer is it depends. First, ignore the BMW Lifetime idea - change it every 2-3 years minimum. ATF is the proper weight but you can use the heavier MTL in a warmer climate or if you do extensive track duty. The MTL might quiet a noisy transmission but it may make it stiffer shifting. Bottom line: either will work, you won't harm the transmission. Just change it regularly. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Redline ATF -----Original Message----- From: peterloron@gmail.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:20:08 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? IIRC, if you take a look near the fill port, you'll see a yellow sticker that specifies which type to put in. -Pete On 3/22/07, Kent L. Shephard <e36m3@kshephard.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:49:19 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> > Subject: What to put in the tranny ATF or MTL?? > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.