E36M3 #5195

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 16:27:11

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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc - from mdriver13@aol.com
#2. Stolen trailer - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#3. RE: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? - from Paul L Fisher
#4. [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Dave DeBuhr
#5. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Jim Bassett
#6. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Brian Ruiz
#7. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Goss, Patrick - PA
#8. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from K.C. Boyce
#9. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Mike Frank
#10. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from David Thomas

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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:29:46 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc I was in France last week on business and saw a few 1-series. I'd say it's about the same size as an e36. Also saw a new Audi TT coupe -- very sexy! cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: peterloron@gmail.com To: e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:12:03 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc Or downsized the car and given us the V8! :-) A 1-series with that motor would probably be amusing. -Pete On 3/26/07, Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:12:41 -0700 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: V8 M3 Overview Doc > > I like to see and watch advances in technology but it seems to me they > could have kept the six and downsized the car for the same performance > gains. > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:24:13 -0700 > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: V8 M3 Overview Doc > > Yeah, that was my thought, too. Probably way cheaper to get a blower. An > E36 with a nice V8 sound would turn some heads, though. :-) > > I guess we'll need to wait 8-10 years for enough of these things to have > been sold and crashed for the used engine market to be priced more > reasonably. Probably not worth it to swap one into a 20 year old E36 at > that point, tho. -Pete > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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#2. Stolen trailer - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:28:52 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Stolen trailer This is from my Porsche group of Central Florida. Please keep your eyes open. Thanks. Shel Hart This is from Christian Engle, our DE Chair: I had a great weekend until I came to my office and found my 20’ black Featherlite enclosed car hauler stolen. I have reported the trailer to the police and they have broadcast the make, VIN, Etc. I would deeply appreciate your support in spreading the word and reporting to the police if you see it or hear of it: Summary: 2005 20’ Black Featherlite Trailer VIN: 4FGA420275C083593 Extended lift gate Tread plate fabricated interior (welded) Custom lighting, stereo, video Stainless tool chest with hand tools Electric tools Air tools Jacks Spare Porsche bits (brakes, rotors, etc) Comfort items: chairs, coolers, tents, etc. Click on the link right below my telephone number for a picture of the trailer. My company logo’s are on the sides, rear, and top. Thank you in advance for any support you can offer. Please feel free to circulate this email and image to anyone you want. I do have my security firm retrieving the surveliance video from my DVR so hopefully that will give some clues. The frustrating thing was that it was locked down more ways then I can think of. Next one gets GPS/”lojack” Christian Engle Christian@cac-ce.com Phone: 407.339.8559 Click on the link below to download a picture. http://www.flcitrusregion.org/media/images/banner/Trailer.jpg Thank you for subscribing to the Citrus Region PCA Mail List. To un-subscribe, please visit the Citrus Region PCA web site mail list page at the following URL: http://www.flcitrusregion.org/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?pg=maillist ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone.. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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#3. RE: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:02:22 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? Floor the gas pedal. That turns off the injectors. This helps start a flooded engine. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Loron [mailto:peterloron@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:05:01 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? Yep, that's the situation I was trying to avoid. :-) Ok, sounds like the fuel pump fuse is it. Thanks. -Pete On 3/26/07, Tom Melton <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:24:34 -0400 > From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? > > True, missed that in his original post. But, unless you disable each > injector, you *may* be firing the injectors allowing fuel to pool in the > intake or cylinders. I would not be wanting to wash down the cylinder > walls with fuel, or have it pool in the intake. > > -Tom > > >>> "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> 3/26/2007 1:17 PM >>> > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:15:54 -0700 > From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to crank but not start the car? > > Note that this approach does not accomplish one of his stated goals, > which was building fuel pressure. > > However, it should be no big deal. If you can crank the engine sans > fuel pressure a bit, hopefully that will move the oil around as you > desire. > > Plug the fuel pump fuse back in again, try to start the car, and it'll > catch after a few seconds once fuel pressure is built back up again. > > I don't see how this approach is any more harmful than one that would > allow you to build fuel pressure AND oil pressure. After all, it's > pretty much the same thing you asked for, except once you put the fuse > back in, the car decides when it starts (enough fuel flowing), not you > :) Cranking the car and waiting for fuel pressure to build before it > catches shouldn't be harmful in any way. > > BTW, just did my plugs, fuel filter, and oil this weekend. So I can > relate to the few-second-of-cranking-before-firing situation. > > - reid > > > Pull the fuel pump fuse, no fuel pressure, no start. > > > > -Tom > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM

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#4. [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:16 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket My valve cover has developed a small leak near the rear of the motor. I want to replace it before it makes a mess back there. Any gotchas to swapping this out? I was looking at the Pacific BMW site and it looks like there is an inner gasket in the exploded diagram. Is that something I need to address when I pull the cover? http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif Part number's 7 & 8? Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? Any info appreciated... Dave DeBuhr 98 M3/4

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket On Tue, March 27, 2007 1:47 pm, Dave DeBuhr said: > http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif > > Part number's 7 & 8? There are actually two #8s, and there is nothing particular to watch out for. Just remove the cover, replace all three gaskets, clean & replace cover. > Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a > 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? Spark plugs? Jim Bassett

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:58:38 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket Dave, part 8 are the spark plug hole grommets. You will DEFINITELY want to change them, as worn ones are the cause of oil in the spark plug holes (which sometimes causes its own ignition problems). A valve cover kit from the dealer *should* include these grommets. There should be two sets of 3 grommets linked together. Can't think of anything else off the top that should be changed, others might add something though. Brian On 3/27/07, Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:16 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket > > My valve cover has developed a small leak near the rear of the motor. > I want to replace it before it makes a mess back there. Any gotchas > to swapping this out? I was looking at the Pacific BMW site and it looks > like > there is an inner gasket in the exploded diagram. Is that something > I need to address when I pull the cover? > > http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif > > Part number's 7 & 8? > > Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a > 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? > > Any info appreciated... > > Dave DeBuhr > 98 M3/4 > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:02:21 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket IIRC one the O2 sensor connectors is back there. Might be a good time to consider replacing them if not original too. Could be easier to access with the v-cover off...although it wasn't terribly bad with it on either. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:57 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket On Tue, March 27, 2007 1:47 pm, Dave DeBuhr said: > http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif > > Part number's 7 & 8? There are actually two #8s, and there is nothing particular to watch out for. Just remove the cover, replace all three gaskets, clean & replace cover. > Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a > 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? Spark plugs? Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from K.C. Boyce
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:03:55 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket Dave, I recently completed this job on my M3 with similar mileage. The inner gasket (there are actually 2, IIRC) should come with the big valve cover gasket. It keeps oil from getting into the sparkplug holes. When I replaced mine, the outside gasket was still pretty pliable, but the inner gaskets had gotten brittle. No gotchas that I can think of, other than to put some form-a-gasket on the front of the head near the VANOS unit when you reinstall (you'll see the gap between the machined aluminum parts). Good luck! KC Boyce '97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:47 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:16 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket My valve cover has developed a small leak near the rear of the motor. I want to replace it before it makes a mess back there. Any gotchas to swapping this out? I was looking at the Pacific BMW site and it looks like there is an inner gasket in the exploded diagram. Is that something I need to address when I pull the cover? http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif Part number's 7 & 8? Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? Any info appreciated... Dave DeBuhr 98 M3/4 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from Mike Frank
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:04:39 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket I'll second Dave's request. Mine is leaking from the passenger side front and is on the list of things to fix. Thanks, Mike Frank 97 M3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:47 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket > > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:16 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket > > My valve cover has developed a small leak near the rear of the motor. > I want to replace it before it makes a mess back there. Any gotchas > to swapping this out? I was looking at the Pacific BMW site and it looks > like > there is an inner gasket in the exploded diagram. Is that something > I need to address when I pull the cover? > > http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/mechanical/F277050.gif > > Part number's 7 & 8? > > Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a > 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? > > Any info appreciated... > > Dave DeBuhr > 98 M3/4 ****

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket - from David Thomas
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:23:54 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Cover Gasket On Tuesday 27 March 2007 1:47:03 pm Dave DeBuhr wrote: > Anything I should check/replace while I have the cover off of a > 98 M3 with 73,000 miles on it? > > Any info appreciated... Consider replacing the rubber grommets that seal the valve cover fasteners. I like to use a little black RTV sealant on the spark plug hole gaskets...its not necessary but oil in the spark plug holes sucks... Dave

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