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#1. Re: [E36M3] OT: Garage improvements - from marty
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:29:26 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Garage improvements My garage needs better lighting too so I've been looking for that sort of info and found a nifty program from lighting manufacturer Lithonia (http://www.lithonia.com/). The software is at www.VisualLightingSoftware.com. The basic (limited function) version has free activation. It allows you to define the dimensions of a room, choose a desired lighting product, and define some parameters such as work height and desired lumens. It determines how many light fixtures you need and creates a lumen map of their output at the work surface height. I second the 8' dual T8 HO choice - they are very efficient and put out a bunch of light. T8 fixtures and bulbs seem to be relatively new and/or not yet in widespread use at the consumer level - my local Lowe's didn't even have the bulbs. An electrical supply house seems to be a good place to get them. marty Rich Dorffer wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:08:43 -0400 > From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> > Subject: OT: Garage improvements > > I would recommend twin-tube T8 HO fluorescents. For the cost and > efficiency, they put out a ton of light and are very economical (in initial > cost and energy efficiency). General rule of thumb is 100 lumens per square > foot. > > I have six twin-tube units in my shop (8 foot twin-tube T8 HO units) which > worked out to around 80,000 lumens (~700 sq. feet) combined with the epoxy > floor works pretty nicely. I plan to add two of the quad tube units over > the main workspace (right now there are just two of the older four foot > twin-tube T12 units). > > There are plenty of more expensive options if you are looking to simply > spend money. > >
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#2. Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:40:22 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> on 4/2/07 4:20 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > So I have to do something about the garage floor before I order the lift > (muahahaha!). I was thinking about doing polished concrete: > > http://www.reflectiveconcrete.com/ A friend of mine built a new house a couple of years ago and has polished concrete floors throughout the lower level (but not the garage...). Looks very nice, zero dust etc. In a garage this clearly has the potential to be more durable than epoxy, which can lift off or be scraped. I like the idea of tiles but would worry about them being damaged by jacks or jack stands. Of course with a lift that might no longer be a concern. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:44:01 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> On Apr 2, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Neil Maller wrote: >> So I have to do something about the garage floor before I order >> the lift >> (muahahaha!). I was thinking about doing polished concrete: >> >> http://www.reflectiveconcrete.com/ > > A friend of mine built a new house a couple of years ago and has > polished > concrete floors throughout the lower level (but not the garage...). > Looks > very nice, zero dust etc. Looks awesome but SLIPPERY when wet. > In a garage this clearly has the potential to be more durable than > epoxy, > which can lift off or be scraped. I like the idea of tiles but > would worry > about them being damaged by jacks or jack stands. Of course with a > lift that > might no longer be a concern. Epoxy allows you to mix some grit in for traction purposes. Having said that, I hate the expoxy chip floors that are so trendy right now. Try dropping a screw onto one of those. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Free motorsports classifieds at JustRacing.com! http://www.justracing.com/classifieds
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > A friend of mine built a new house a couple of years ago and has polished > concrete floors throughout the lower level (but not the garage...). Looks > very nice, zero dust etc. How much per sq ft did your friend pay? ...or was it included in the price of the house? > In a garage this clearly has the potential to be more durable than epoxy, > which can lift off or be scraped. I like the idea of tiles but would worry > about them being damaged by jacks or jack stands. Of course with a lift that > might no longer be a concern. I'm not a fan of tiles either. Sure, you can take them with you, but for $1500, I'd rather be done with it and not have to worry about crap getting under/in between them, etc. Your concern about a floor jack is valid too....you know how it is when your friend's pimped out slammed car rolls in and you can't get it on a lift...you need to wheel in the floor jack =) I might even have to leave behind a $5000 rotary compressor if I move since it was a bitch to get to the walk out basement (downhill) and I can't imagine taking it out again. =/ Chester
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> --- Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > Looks awesome but SLIPPERY when wet. Has anyone had direct experience with this? A lot of people claim slippery, but I don't think any of them actually tried it. I was told that it's not too bad....and certainly less slippery than two part epoxy by itself. > > In a garage this clearly has the potential to be more durable than > > epoxy, > > which can lift off or be scraped. I like the idea of tiles but > > would worry > > about them being damaged by jacks or jack stands. Of course with a > > lift that > > might no longer be a concern. > > Epoxy allows you to mix some grit in for traction purposes. > > Having said that, I hate the expoxy chip floors that are so trendy > right now. Try dropping a screw onto one of those. I'm not a fan of the grit in the epoxy for traction purposes. I sometimes roll around on the floor (then again, we've never had access to a lift that lifted the car to where you can walk under the car! ....we'll have that capability in my garage, though...YEAH!!!!) and the grit would scrape knuckles and scratch tools. Hahaha. Chester
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:55:36 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> On Apr 2, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Chester Wong wrote: >> Looks awesome but SLIPPERY when wet. > > Has anyone had direct experience with this? A lot of people claim > slippery, > but I don't think any of them actually tried it. I was told that > it's not too > bad....and certainly less slippery than two part epoxy by itself. I see these around here sometimes. Pretty popular right now, along with things like concrete kitchen counters and stuff. Slippery. >>> In a garage this clearly has the potential to be more durable than >>> epoxy, >>> which can lift off or be scraped. I like the idea of tiles but >>> would worry >>> about them being damaged by jacks or jack stands. Of course with a >>> lift that >>> might no longer be a concern. >> >> Epoxy allows you to mix some grit in for traction purposes. >> >> Having said that, I hate the expoxy chip floors that are so trendy >> right now. Try dropping a screw onto one of those. > > I'm not a fan of the grit in the epoxy for traction purposes. I > sometimes roll > around on the floor (then again, we've never had access to a lift > that lifted > the car to where you can walk under the car! ....we'll have that > capability in > my garage, though...YEAH!!!!) and the grit would scrape knuckles > and scratch > tools. Hahaha. You can vary the amount of grit (ie sand) to suit. You don't want a lot - just enough to keep your feet under you. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Free motorsports classifieds at JustRacing.com! http://www.justracing.com/classifieds
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#7. Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:56:31 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> on 4/2/07 4:44 PM, Chester Wong at chester_p_wong@yahoo.com wrote: > How much per sq ft did your friend pay? ...or was it included in the price of > the house He's a building contractor and traded out a lot of the work, so I don't think the floor cost can easily be broken out. Besides, everything here in Indiana costs half what you guys have to pay. If I could tell you it'd only make you weep! Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#8. Re: [E36M3] OT: Garage improvements - from J Files
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:04:22 -0700 From: "J Files" <jsf.online@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Garage improvements Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to check out that software tool. The overwhelming response has been big fluorescent lights, T8 HO. Time to find a local source. On 4/2/07, marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:29:26 -0400 > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Garage improvements > > My garage needs better lighting too so I've been looking for that sort > of info and found a nifty program from lighting manufacturer Lithonia > (http://www.lithonia.com/). > > The software is at www.VisualLightingSoftware.com. The basic (limited > function) version has free activation. It allows you to define the > dimensions of a room, choose a desired lighting product, and define some > parameters such as work height and desired lumens. It determines how > many light fixtures you need and creates a lumen map of their output at > the work surface height. > > I second the 8' dual T8 HO choice - they are very efficient and put out > a bunch of light. T8 fixtures and bulbs seem to be relatively new > and/or not yet in widespread use at the consumer level - my local Lowe's > didn't even have the bulbs. An electrical supply house seems to be a > good place to get them. > > marty > > Rich Dorffer wrote: > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:08:43 -0400 > > From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> > > Subject: OT: Garage improvements > > > > I would recommend twin-tube T8 HO fluorescents. For the cost and > > efficiency, they put out a ton of light and are very economical (in > initial > > cost and energy efficiency). General rule of thumb is 100 lumens per > square > > foot. > > > > I have six twin-tube units in my shop (8 foot twin-tube T8 HO units) > which > > worked out to around 80,000 lumens (~700 sq. feet) combined with the > epoxy > > floor works pretty nicely. I plan to add two of the quad tube units > over > > the main workspace (right now there are just two of the older four foot > > twin-tube T12 units). > > > > There are plenty of more expensive options if you are looking to simply > > spend money. > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> On Mon, April 2, 2007 2:00 pm, Mark Dadgar said: > You can vary the amount of grit (ie sand) to suit. You don't want a > lot - just enough to keep your feet under you. <Insert gratuitous "This is Chester we're talking about" comment here.> :-) Jim Bassett
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> Haha...so you're saying I should use enough sand to replenish some beach erosion??? :o) Chester --- Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > On Mon, April 2, 2007 2:00 pm, Mark Dadgar said: > > You can vary the amount of grit (ie sand) to suit. You don't want a > > lot - just enough to keep your feet under you. > > <Insert gratuitous "This is Chester we're talking about" comment here.> > > :-)
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#11. RE: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:29:49 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Garage floor finish...polished concrete?> The current European Car magazine started a garage project. It is the same guy that did project E36 M3. They did the floor in this month's issue. You may want to check it out. They will be doing cabinets and lighting next. Dave