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#1. RE: P-cars and M-cars - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:24:32 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: P-cars and M-cars In a bunch of years, I'd love to have a Cayman S. No hankering for any other P car, really. Too much $$$ for me, for anything recent, anyway! Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Weston-Lewis, Graeme [mailto:Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:51 PM To: E36M3 Neil said "I've developed a theory that every M car driver secretly wants to own a P-car at some point." I was driving this: http://gwl.rmsolo.org/Boxster/images/z-ax1.jpg Before adding this to the stable: http://gwl.rmsolo.org/InTheAir.jpg Love 'em both! Graeme
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars - from jeff.conner@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff.conner@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars The wife wanted to test drive a Cayman S. So off we went to the local P-Car dealer. Cute car. Not spartan enough to feel like a true sports car, not luxurious enough to feel like a nice "sporty" GT kinda car. The seats weren't terribly comfortable, it didn't really feel *that* quick - though we never did have a real opportunity to open it up. The gearbox, though. Yumm. It was like buttering a hot biscuit. Only better. None of our BMWs comes anywhere close to feeling as smooth and happy to find the right gear. The steering feel was also very nice. That being said, our next track car is likely to be one of those "pissed off Ex-GF/Spouse" specials...probably a boxter S, with a good engine, good chassis, knifed seats and roof and messed up other stuff, so it's cheap (relatively). The soft top will make the cage much easier to build and....well, I don't need to go off with this fantasy any more. I've still got my 95 M3 for my wife and I to thrash for a few years on track.... -jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:30:49 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:24:32 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: P-cars and M-cars In a bunch of years, I'd love to have a Cayman S. No hankering for any other P car, really. Too much $$$ for me, for anything recent, anyway! Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Weston-Lewis, Graeme [mailto:Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:51 PM To: E36M3 Neil said "I've developed a theory that every M car driver secretly wants to own a P-car at some point." I was driving this: http://gwl.rmsolo.org/Boxster/images/z-ax1.jpg Before adding this to the stable: http://gwl.rmsolo.org/InTheAir.jpg Love 'em both! Graeme ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
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#3. Re: [E36M3] hard steering - from Rex Tener
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:16:11 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] hard steering At 06:00 PM 4/2/2007, marty wrote: >I flushed mine a couple of months ago and replaced the >reservoir/filter. I'd done the drain/fill method a few times but >the fluid was still very dark with suspended black particles. I had >found the ZF flushing procedure on one of their web pages but can't >seem to find it now. It's the one the above site's author calls the >'official flush'. Be careful if you choose that one - the hose >escaped my catch can and blew p/s fluid all over the floor and >adjacent BMW's fender and hood. It comes out fast and furious. Here is the official ZF power steering fluid change flush procedure: <http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/steering-flush.pdf> Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com
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#4. E92 M3 - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:17:25 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: E92 M3 Could be old news by now, but das neue M3 press release is available on the front page of www.bmwusa.com Just pointing it out. :) Brian build 8/95
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#5. AC fittings sizes? - from bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: <bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com> Subject: AC fittings sizes? I'm getting ready to replace my AC compressor, receiver-drier, and expansion valve - anyone done this and remember the size of the hose fittings? I'll probably need to pick up some larger flare nut wrenches, I suspect what I have isn't large enough. Thanks!
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:32:18 -0700 From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars My wife's cousin has a Cayman S and he was nice enough to allow me to drive it. My comparison points are vs the Porsche 944 turbo S (320hp) and Audi S4 avant (340hp, 400ft lbs) that I owned at the time. The Cayman is a snug fit getting in, the cockpit seems a little tight, but there's plenty of headroom (even with a helmet) and legroom. Ergonomics are nice. Power compared to the 944 was good, the Cayman had far more low end torque and power and only seemed a little down on power up top. Compared to the Audi, far less torque down low, way more power up top. Brakes were phenomenal and the ceramic brakes are an option. Handling was sublime. Very balanced, easily tossable, no bad habits. I scared the crap out of my cousin in law, but the car was still nowhere near its true limits. I had my heart set on a 993 twin turbo, now I'm thinking I may just get a Cayman S and call it a day... jeff.conner@yahoo.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeff.conner@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars > > The wife wanted to test drive a Cayman S. So off we went to the local > P-Car dealer. Cute car. Not spartan enough to feel like a true sports > car, not luxurious enough to feel like a nice "sporty" GT kinda car. > > The > seats weren't terribly comfortable, it didn't really feel *that* quick > - though we never did have a real opportunity to open it up. The > gearbox, though. Yumm. It was like buttering a hot biscuit. Only > better. None of our BMWs comes anywhere close to feeling as smooth and > happy to find the right gear. The steering feel was also very nice. > > That > being said, our next track car is likely to be one of those "pissed off > Ex-GF/Spouse" specials...probably a boxter S, with a good engine, good > chassis, knifed seats and roof and messed up other stuff, so it's cheap > (relatively). The soft top will make the cage much easier to build > and....well, I don't need to go off with this fantasy any more. I've > still got my 95 M3 for my wife and I to thrash for a few years on > track.... > > -jeff > >
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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars - from Scott
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:40:45 -0700 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars No offense intended towards the new Cayman owners. I think they're beautiful cars, and perform wonderfully if used within the parameters Porsche designed them for (sport street driving). Having owned an '02 996 for a couple years, and lusted after Porsches of various sorts for my entire life, I just wanted to throw in an extremely biased opinion about the new non-GT3/non-turbo watercooled cars. IMHO Porsche went incredibly cheap on the drivetrain of these cars. The drop in robustness from the 993 series is pretty incredible. I believe the replacement cost on a 993 n/a engine is roughly $25k -- the 996 engine is around $7k. There's a reason for this :) Issues w/the 996/986 and 997/987 engines include: - sub par oiling at high g's (I really hated seeing my oil pressure drop on hard right-hand onramps -- this is a little spooky on a 70k car). You hear smatterings of reports from owners and journalists about these cars blowing smoke on the track -- this is why. In case folks know, they're a wet sump design compared to the dry sump used in the 993 and previous cars (and still used in the turbo and gt3). - RMS (rear main seal) leakage is an epidemic w/these cars. Still haven't fixed it after 3 major iterations of the powerplants - Gearboxes are weaker (mine got replaced under warranty at about 20k miles) - Engines are now treated as wholesale-replacement items, and are failing at an alarmingly high rate. Porsche dealers have stacks of htem in crates waiting for unlucky boxster and 996/7 owners. Porsche doesn't want the dealers diagnosing failure -- they simply crate them up and send them back to Germany, then plop the new one into the car. Case & point: a co-worker just lost the engine in his '03 C4. Flat-bedded it to the dealer and was back on the road in 4 days with a new (rebuilt) engine. Also scour the archives of European Car. I think they lost engines in both of their long term 996s. What the above means to me is that I'm no longer dealing with a Porsche of old. They were historic in their robustness. They were the car driven off of the street and entered into endurance races. If you're going to do that today, you'd better be in a Turbo or a GT3. Otherwise, just enjoy a sporty street car and don't keep it past the warranty :) Oh, and unlike Doc, I'm still lusting after a 993 Turbo. In fact, I was just scouring the classifieds for one a week ago. Hmmm... Scott. -----Original Message----- From: DocWyte [mailto:docwyte@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:41 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:32:18 -0700 From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars My wife's cousin has a Cayman S and he was nice enough to allow me to drive it. My comparison points are vs the Porsche 944 turbo S (320hp) and Audi S4 avant (340hp, 400ft lbs) that I owned at the time. The Cayman is a snug fit getting in, the cockpit seems a little tight, but there's plenty of headroom (even with a helmet) and legroom. Ergonomics are nice. Power compared to the 944 was good, the Cayman had far more low end torque and power and only seemed a little down on power up top. Compared to the Audi, far less torque down low, way more power up top. Brakes were phenomenal and the ceramic brakes are an option. Handling was sublime. Very balanced, easily tossable, no bad habits. I scared the crap out of my cousin in law, but the car was still nowhere near its true limits. I had my heart set on a 993 twin turbo, now I'm thinking I may just get a Cayman S and call it a day... jeff.conner@yahoo.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeff.conner@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars > > The wife wanted to test drive a Cayman S. So off we went to the local > P-Car dealer. Cute car. Not spartan enough to feel like a true sports > car, not luxurious enough to feel like a nice "sporty" GT kinda car. > > The > seats weren't terribly comfortable, it didn't really feel *that* quick > - though we never did have a real opportunity to open it up. The > gearbox, though. Yumm. It was like buttering a hot biscuit. Only > better. None of our BMWs comes anywhere close to feeling as smooth and > happy to find the right gear. The steering feel was also very nice. > > That > being said, our next track car is likely to be one of those "pissed off > Ex-GF/Spouse" specials...probably a boxter S, with a good engine, good > chassis, knifed seats and roof and messed up other stuff, so it's cheap > (relatively). The soft top will make the cage much easier to build > and....well, I don't need to go off with this fantasy any more. I've > still got my 95 M3 for my wife and I to thrash for a few years on > track.... > > -jeff > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:00:58 -0700 From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars I agree with some of your points, but a good friend of mine has run his german car garage for over 30 years now. He had a 993tt with 17k miles on it and completely rebuilt the heads on it. According to him, that's a common thing and when I commented that I'd seen alot of the older 930 and 964 turbos with rebuilt motors after only 30-40k miles, he said that's also a fairly common interval for a major rebuild. For a job like that at his shop it's still close to $15k, hardly chump change... So to me, that shows that the earlier air cooled turbo charged 911's aren't really any more reliable than the newer versions. The rear main seal is definately an annoyance, especially since they've known about it since 2001... Scott wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:40:45 -0700 > From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars > > No offense intended towards the new Cayman owners. I think they're beautiful > cars, and perform wonderfully if used within the parameters Porsche designed > them for (sport street driving). > > Having owned an '02 996 for a couple years, and lusted after Porsches of > various sorts for my entire life, I just wanted to throw in an extremely > biased opinion about the new non-GT3/non-turbo watercooled cars. IMHO > Porsche went incredibly cheap on the drivetrain of these cars. The drop in > robustness from the 993 series is pretty incredible. I believe the > replacement cost on a 993 n/a engine is roughly $25k -- the 996 engine is > around $7k. There's a reason for this :) > Issues w/the 996/986 and 997/987 engines include: > - sub par oiling at high g's (I really hated seeing my oil pressure drop on > hard right-hand onramps -- this is a little spooky on a 70k car). You hear > smatterings of reports from owners and journalists about these cars blowing > smoke on the track -- this is why. In case folks know, they're a wet sump > design compared to the dry sump used in the 993 and previous cars (and still > used in the turbo and gt3). > - RMS (rear main seal) leakage is an epidemic w/these cars. Still haven't > fixed it after 3 major iterations of the powerplants > - Gearboxes are weaker (mine got replaced under warranty at about 20k miles) > - Engines are now treated as wholesale-replacement items, and are failing at > an alarmingly high rate. Porsche dealers have stacks of htem in crates > waiting for unlucky boxster and 996/7 owners. Porsche doesn't want the > dealers diagnosing failure -- they simply crate them up and send them back > to Germany, then plop the new one into the car. Case & point: a co-worker > just lost the engine in his '03 C4. Flat-bedded it to the dealer and was > back on the road in 4 days with a new (rebuilt) engine. Also scour the > archives of European Car. I think they lost engines in both of their long > term 996s. > > What the above means to me is that I'm no longer dealing with a Porsche of > old. They were historic in their robustness. They were the car driven off of > the street and entered into endurance races. If you're going to do that > today, you'd better be in a Turbo or a GT3. Otherwise, just enjoy a sporty > street car and don't keep it past the warranty :) > > Oh, and unlike Doc, I'm still lusting after a 993 Turbo. In fact, I was just > scouring the classifieds for one a week ago. Hmmm... > > Scott. >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:06:44 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: P-cars and M-cars On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Scott wrote: > I believe the replacement cost on a 993 n/a engine is > roughly $25k -- the 996 engine is around $7k. There's > a reason for this :) $12K for a 993 motor, at least as of a couple of years ago. Just ask Duane Collie. :) - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Free motorsports classifieds at JustRacing.com! http://www.justracing.com/classifieds
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#10. RE: [E36M3] E92 M3 - from Scott
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:09:02 -0700 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E92 M3 They give kg/hp and hp -- by my calculations it's going to weigh 3511 lbs :) It also shows a "EU Road Trim", but that includes 75kg for a light driver. This results in 3641 lbs. Either way, not a super porker, but still easily 500lbs over a 911. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ruiz [mailto:eurowerke@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:21 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E92 M3 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:17:25 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: E92 M3 Could be old news by now, but das neue M3 press release is available on the front page of www.bmwusa.com Just pointing it out. :) Brian build 8/95 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************