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#1. Fwd: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:38:34 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Fwd: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? What he said. No problems after changing out everything and replacing the radiator with an aluminum one. Bill Sharp Ft. Worth '99 Coupe Begin forwarded message: > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Date: April 9, 2007 11:10:42 AM CDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? > Reply-To: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:06:29 -0400 > From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? > > Like Carlos, my car gets hot very quickly if driven with air in the > system. > It also takes a long time to warm up (or won't maintain normal > operating > temp in really cold weather) if the t-stat is failing. > > The first time I changed the coolant it was a PITA to get all of > the air > out. The second time I changed everything (radiator - Zionsville, > expansion > tank, t-stat, housing - aluminum w/coolant temp sender, hoses, > water pump, > etc.) it was almost too easy. I never had to do any additional > bleeding or > refilling. Go figure. Anyway, I'd replace the t-stat. > > Mike Frank > 97 M3 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:clopez98m3@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:11 AM >> To: E36M3 >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? >> >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:05:19 -0400 >> From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? >> >> On 4/9/07, Jay Hudson <jwhud@budget.net> wrote: >>> Here's what I do. Get the engine up to operating temp. Jack the >>> front >> of >>> the car up as high as I can get it. With engine running, open >>> the bleed >>> screw until no more air comes out. Next morning with engine cold, >> recheck >>> coolant level. You may have to do this several times. >> >> At least in my experience with my car which is a royal PITA to bleed >> the coolant system on, if there are air pockets the temp needle lets >> you know. As in it goes towards the red real quick if you drive the >> car at all. Your lack of heat to me indicates a problem with the >> t-stat, as in it might be stuck open all the time (or partially open) >> which is the ideal failure mode. >> >> It takes me 2 days and about 4 or 5 attempts to bleed all the air out >> of my cooling system. Hence the royal PITA comment. >> >> Carlos >> 98 M3 <--bastard! > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Rear Exhaust Manifold Needed - '97 M3 - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:41:59 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rear Exhaust Manifold Needed - '97 M3 Hi, Only problem is that it completely separated. So.... I can get another on for $100 bucks locally. I just called a place. Now for the next question. Is there a set of shorty headrers that is not a nightmare to install?? Kent On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mark D wrote: > Kent L. Shephard wrote: >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:11:56 -0700 >> From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> >> Subject: Rear Exhaust Manifold Needed - '97 M3 >> >> Hi, >> >> My rear exhaust manifold/header developed a crack at the flange. >> I need a new/used on. Not interested in shorty headers. >> >> Kent > Kent, > > May want to consider welding. Mine was MIG (I believe) welded for > a very low cost over 100,000 miles ago in this spot and it's held > perfectly. > > Thanks, > mark > >
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#3. Gauge Installation for 98 M3 - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:52:16 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Gauge Installation for 98 M3 Hi Folks: I am looking for the best solution for connecting mechanical oil pressure and water temp gauges to an E36 M3. I have the VDO gauges and gauge panel (for the sunglass holder), but need the best solution on the engine side of things. I have a boost gauge as well, but that seems pretty straight forward. Recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Middletown, DE
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#4. OT: Tie rod puller - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:55:56 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: OT: Tie rod puller I put a set of H&R springs on my Boxster and also replaced the rear CV boots (48k miles and bad boots!). I used the pickle fork as I didn't have the proper tie rod puller and damaged the boot. Any thoughts to how long I might get out of a tie rod with a decently mangled boot? BTW, I've since bought the proper puller... Shel ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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#5. Re: [E36M3] OT: Tie rod puller - from David Thomas
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:05:42 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Tie rod puller On Monday 09 April 2007 6:00:41 pm Shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:55:56 EDT > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: OT: Tie rod puller > > I put a set of H&R springs on my Boxster and also replaced the rear CV > boots (48k miles and bad boots!). I used the pickle fork as I didn't have > the proper tie rod puller and damaged the boot. Any thoughts to how long I > might get out of a tie rod with a decently mangled boot? > > BTW, I've since bought the proper puller... > > Shel Not long at all if its so bad that sand and water can get into it. Shoe Goo has been known to seal up some boots in a pinch....pretty handy stuff. Dave T.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] OT: Tie rod puller - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:11:19 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Tie rod puller Here is a formula that I've been able to refine over the years: Impatience + the wrong tool = costly mistake Of course the finely crafted aluminum control arm and ball joint from Porsche are pressed into place and are only sold as a complete unit. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Stefano G
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? Hi Jamie thanks for the advice. With only 1 night left to work on it not sure I'll have enough time for the repair prior to the track day...So the question is track day w open thermostat or no track day.My understanding is that with the thermostat open the cooling system will cool at its maximum level which is good for the track.Also the engine warms up eventually just more slowly.I'll repair the thermostat as soon as I return.StefanoP.S.What's the worst it could happen circling a track on Friday the 13th... --- On Mon 04/09, Jamie Howton < jhowton@gmail.com > wrote:From: Jamie Howton [mailto: jhowton@gmail.com]To: stefanoale@excite.com Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.netDate: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:15:55 -0500Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system?I wouldn't take my car to the track with a malfunctioning coolingsystem, unless of course I was looking for an excuse to tear mycylinder head off again.Just my $.02 (although I have had multiple cooling system problemswhile at the track).RegardsJamie Howton2006 M Roadster2004 645Ci1995 M3 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Stefano G
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? Hi Pete, I hear you. I'll do my best to get the part in time but likely it won't be the case. Any idea on how to test that the thermostat is the real culprit?ThxStefano'98 M3 with still working engine. --- On Mon 04/09, Peter Loron < peterloron@gmail.com > wrote:From: Peter Loron [mailto: peterloron@gmail.com]To: stefanoale@excite.com Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.netDate: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:41:50 -0700Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system?Please get this fixed before you do anything else! Just because it is currently in a state which is not causing an overheating problem is not a valid reason for delaying the repair.It's cheap and easy to fix. Muuuuuuuch cheaper than a head R&R and/or a tow home from the track.-PeteStefano G wrote:> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:12:14 -0400 (EDT)> From: "Stefano G" > Subject: RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system?>> I haven't seen the digest yet but lots of people have already responded to me directly and the consensus seems to say NO air pocket but BAD THERMOSTAT. I may not have enough time to fix it prior to my track day but it seems that this won't be an issue as it will give the cooling system a head start. I'll need to drive the car a bit harder on the track to keep the temps in check ;-) Fine by me... I'll fix it when I get back (any quick test to confirm that the thermostat is the culprit?)Thanks again to everyone who responded. Stefano'98 M3 with "track ready" thermostat.--- On Mon 04/09, Stefano G < stefanoale@excite.com > wrote:From: Stefano G [mailto: stefanoale@excite.com]To: e36m3@bmw-m.net, bmwuucdigest-owner@uucdigest.comDate: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:26:42 -0400Subject: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system?It occurred to me that I may have an air pocket in the cooling system as the engine takes forever to warm up (~20 mins of highway at 70 mph with 35F > outside temp)Is there an easy way to get rid of it? How about letting the engine running for a bit with the valve on top of the radiator slightly open? I'm assuming the air would be pushed through the system and eventually escape via the valve...The car is a '98 e36 M3 with 109K and a new radiator.Then again the issue is the car not warming up quickly so until it does not overheat I should be ok right? (track day coming up)..ThanksStefano'98 M3 running a bit too cool... _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from David Thomas
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:45:43 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? On Monday 09 April 2007 8:40:40 pm Stefano G wrote: > Hi Jamie thanks for the advice. With only 1 night left to work on it not > sure I'll have enough time for the repair prior to the track day...So the > question is track day w open thermostat or no track day.My understanding is > that with the thermostat open the cooling system will cool at its maximum > level which is good for the track.Also the engine warms up eventually just > more slowly.I'll repair the thermostat as soon as I > return. If your lucky it will just stick open, but often they are just 'sticking', and your luck will run out when it does not open. If you overheat your engine at the track your looking at a new longblock. At best a headgasket...and 50K miles of wear in 1 minute. Its just not wise to hit the track with a broken car. Dave T.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:40:43 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? > So the question is track day w open thermostat or no track day. I have tried running with a gutted thermostat twice and it didn't work either time, the car overheated like crazy, it just didn't do it until the cooldown lap. Although that was right before I replaced my head gasket, hmmm - coincidence? All is not lost, however, In a pinch you can replace a thermostat at the track so if you can get one shipped to you you should be OK. What track BTW, I'll be at Road America this weekend. I think I am bringing snow tires just in case...