E36M3 #5233

Sunday, April 22, 2007 19:06:20

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#1. RE: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion - from Matt Bader
#2. Re: [E36M3] "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? - from Jason Knight
#3. Re: M50 Manifold Conversion - from Neil Maller
#4. Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Kent L. Shephard
#5. Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? - from Mo Karamat
#6. RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity - from Stefano G
#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity - from Mike Frank
#8. Alpine White Spray Paint F/S - from jbjerke@charter.net
#9. Driving Shoes - from jbjerke@charter.net
#10. Re: [E36M3] Driving Shoes - from Carlos Lopez

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#1. RE: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion - from Matt Bader
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:51:45 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion Actually I live in Delaware. And they (DMV) like to get under the hood and poke around. They spent ten minutes under the hood of my Mazda Protégé because I had a CAI installed on it. Was relieved when the guy finally shut the hood. Thanks to all for the feedback. I want to install Active's stage II s/c, and it works better with the manifold conversion, so that is what got me thinking about it. Otherwise, it sounds like you lose torque at the lower end for gains up high with the conversion. Then as I was researching that issue, that is where I came across a post about the "illegal" nature of the conversion. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wirth [mailto:doug_wirth@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:26 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Wirth <doug_wirth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion You must live in CA. I did mine about 2 years ago with the cam kit from Eurosport. You are not removing any emissions stuff, so I dont know how you could be in violation of any law. No inspection station is going to know the difference between the two manifolds. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: "jeff.conner@yahoo.com" <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:05:41 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff.conner@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion *darting glances in all directions* It's only illegal if you get caught. I've several friends/acquaintances who've done the job, some with the bimmerworld/sunbelt cams kit some with schrick cams, some with just the manifold. All with the OBD-II software. Jim Conforti writes a pretty good program, from what I understand. There's a guy on bimmerforums or M3forum who sells the bits you need (save for the manifold). I'd love to link you, but I have no idea where it is. -jeff *stock manifolds on both the S52 & the S50 ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:35:41 AM Subject: [E36M3] M50 Manifold Conversion Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:39:10 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: M50 Manifold Conversion Has anyone done an M50 manifold conversion? Which kit did you use? I have read that it is technically illegal to put an OBDI manifold on an OBDII car (because of emissions), but not sure if that is true. Has anyone failed an emissions inspection (visual or otherwise) because of an m50 manifold conversion. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#2. Re: [E36M3] "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? I've purchased paint for the e30 and for the wife's Chevy from here: http://www.paintscratch.com/ Mrs. Knight painted the mirror housings and lip spoiler, and I think they came out quite nice. You can see photos here: http://www.z28racergirl.com/1989325i.htm The interior of the Camaro is painted rustoleum rattle can white. Readily available, very cheap. You'd have to paint the entire interior, but it'll probably be much cheaper in the long run. Just throwing it out there. Jason ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan L. <twistym3@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:45:41 AM Subject: [E36M3] "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:44:22 -0700 From: "Jonathan L." <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? Continuing in the journey of tearing things out of my car, and let me tell you, sound deadening is a PITA. Not hard work, but BOY is it tedious. Once the cage goes in, which won't be for a little while still, I think I'm going to want to go one step further in cleaning up the interior by repainting the metal surfaces. I've been scratching it up a little bit, and there's some good discoloration here and there, but I'd like to be presentable for any potential sponsors. Has anyone found a spray paint that is close to or the same as the BMW Titanium Silver? I've only seen it supplied from BMW so far as touch up paint. Or would the only real option be to get the paint code, have it made up? thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. Re: M50 Manifold Conversion - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:38:22 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: M50 Manifold Conversion on 4/20/07 1:05 PM, "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > Has anyone done an M50 manifold conversion? Which kit did you use? > > I have read that it is technically illegal to put an OBDI manifold on an > OBDII car (because of emissions), but not sure if that is true. Has anyone > failed an emissions inspection (visual or otherwise) because of an m50 > manifold conversion. I have the complete Eurosport OBD-II cam kit, of which their manifold conversion kit is one part. Eurosport's adaptation is so well developed that not only does everything fit right and work right, it looks completely factory. Their slick CNC'd adapter block lives under the manifold, so it's normally not visible. You can see it on this page: <http://www.sharked.com/cam_kits.html> at the bottom. The actual adapter block is black, so it's even stealthier than in the picture. It'd take a sharp eye and quite detailed knowledge of the E36 line to spot the conversion. There are other home-brew ways of doing this that may be cheaper, but they won't be as clean. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#4. Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:04:33 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? Hi, I chimed in earlier. If there is only a single entrance and exit like a good ole 'merican car then it is a simple flow problem and the car will never overheat or get warm. With the T-stat housing on an M3 you have a third path. That is the issue. I don't know what the path for flow is, but I dare say that running w/out a T-stat will have some issues. Kent On Apr 19, 2007, at 10:25 PM, <jon@treehouseracing.com> <jon@treehouseracing.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:37:33 -0500 > From: <jon@treehouseracing.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? > > Oops, Sorry I fell off the grid there for a miniute. Just moved > and got my computer back up. > > Umm... How do I know? Well.. I know nothing about book > thermodynamics, but I can tell you about real life experience. I > was dumb enough to try it 4 different times on 3 different cars. > It's not worth arguing about. Just trust me or try it your self. I > used to not understand/believe also. Now I believe and just accept > it. Now I will say that they were all track cars, so if that makes > a difference....... But really it won't. > > Jon > > ______________________________________________ > > Jon Siccardi - DM #053 > TreehouseRacing.com > M50conversion.com > 615.333.9118 > ______________________________________________ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Dorffer" > <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? > > >> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:54:22 -0400 >> From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How to get rid of Air pocket in cooling system? >> >> I am definitely not buying it. Anyone with a thermodynamics >> background can >> speak up though but I believe the coolant can only flow so fast >> through the >> system and the heat transfer still occurs. >> >> It may not be the most efficient method with a gutted thermostat >> or no >> thermostat, but I don't believe it is the reason the car will >> overheat. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rich >> >> On 4/13/07, Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Please explain to me how not having a thermostat in place >>> (essentially > a >>> > gutted thermostat) will cause a motor to overheat? >>> >>> I was told by someone on either this or the UUC list that the >>> coolant >>> passes too quickly through the head with a WOT (wide open >>> thermostat) >>> and as a result, the heat transfer from the aluminum head to the >>> coolant is not sufficient to cool the head properly. What >>> happens is >>> that you get localised hot spots inside the head which is bad. >>> >>> That does not of course expain the overheating. My theory on >>> that is >>> that at full-tilt-boogie on the track, there is enough airflow >>> around >>> the engine to provide additional cooling to make up for the lack of >>> cooling because of the WOT. Additionally, at full throttle the >>> coolant is flowing really quickly and when you slow everything down >>> the extra built up heat in the head can transfer to the coolant >>> because of the reduced coolant speeds and the surge of heat entering >>> the coolant is too much for a system designed for a more >>> regulated set >>> of operating parameters. >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#5. Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:24:53 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? I bought a couple of cans of paint from Tower paint.. The stuff matches VERY well.. You give them your BMW paint code, and they custom mix the paint for you.. Best Mo -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:44:22 -0700 From: "Jonathan L." <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? Continuing in the journey of tearing things out of my car, and let me tell you, sound deadening is a PITA. Not hard work, but BOY is it tedious. Once the cage goes in, which won't be for a little while still, I think I'm going to want to go one step further in cleaning up the interior by repainting the metal surfaces. I've been scratching it up a little bit, and there's some good discoloration here and there, but I'd like to be presentable for any potential sponsors. Has anyone found a spray paint that is close to or the same as the BMW Titanium Silver? I've only seen it supplied from BMW so far as touch up paint. Or would the only real option be to get the paint code, have it made up? thanks, Jonathan L.

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#6. RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity - from Stefano G
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> Subject: RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity Can you reset not only codes but also the inspection and oil lights with the AE tool? Stefano Geeting ready to return the Peake and get the AE. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity - from Mike Frank
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:42:59 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity My understanding is that for BMWs you can get emissions related codes and reset CE lights with the basic OBDII scan tool. With the enhanced BMW interface you can access all of the other non-emission related systems/codes/sensors/etc. (there are a lot), like resetting the inspection/oil lights or the airbag light - I believe this includes earlier non-OBDII BMWs. I'll try what I can and let you know. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefano G [mailto:stefanoale@excite.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:16 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity > > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:09:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Stefano G" <stefanoale@excite.com> > Subject: RE: Code reset Peake vs Autoenginuity > > > Can you reset not only codes but also the inspection and oil lights with > the AE tool? > > Stefano > Geeting ready to return the Peake and get the AE.

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#8. Alpine White Spray Paint F/S - from jbjerke@charter.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:34:30 -0700 From: <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Alpine White Spray Paint F/S If anyone is interested I have two cans of Alpine White III enamel from my former 1997 M3 race car. One can has been slightly used the other has never been used. Matches perfect. They are $17 each new, $17 + shipping and I'll send you both of them. Jeff Bjerke 98 M3 Helrot/Black > > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:53:11 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] "Titanium Silver" BMW Paint in a Rattle Can? > > > > Some of the Lotus folks have used this company to get custom mixed colors in a > > spray can. > > > > http://www.towerpaint.com/customcans.html > > > > Good luck, > > Chester > > > > --- "Jonathan L." <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Has anyone found a spray paint that is close to or the same as the BMW > > > Titanium Silver? I've only seen it supplied from BMW so far as touch up > > > paint. Or would the only real option be to get the paint code, have it made > > > up?

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#9. Driving Shoes - from jbjerke@charter.net
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:20:41 -0700 From: <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Driving Shoes I'm looking to replace my high top driving shoes and leaning towards something less aggressive that can be worn the entire driving school weekend. Piloti has several touring shoes that are supposed to be very similar to racing shoes less the fireproof Nomex and a little more support for added comfort. I like all the feel have with my current shoes, but the high tops make them difficult to put on and remove as well as being uncomfortable out of the car. I don't want a shoe that is a glorified verson of a typical tennis shoe and making me wish for some more feel while on track. These are going to be used as track shoes and I'm willing to trade some feel for comfort, but I don't want to trade too much. Does anyone have any recommendations/comments? Please respond directly to me as I'm in digest form and need to order Monday so I have them for Road America on Friday. Thanks. Jeff Bjerke 98 M3

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Driving Shoes - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:58:25 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Driving Shoes On 4/22/07, jbjerke@charter.net <jbjerke@charter.net> wrote: > I'm looking to replace my high top driving shoes and leaning towards something ?>less aggressive that can be worn the entire driving school weekend. Like the magical track/street brake pad that doesn't exist, your driving shoes should not be your walking shoes. :-) However we all do it I guess. I have a pair of Adidas Monacos (they have a Goodyear sole) that I sometimes wear all weekend but my primary pair are some Nike wannabe racing shoes that are not Nomex. I think they have Nascar numbers on them and whenever they went out of production they were sold for $20 from some web store. I should've bought 3 pair knowing now how much I like those now. Anway my recommendation are the Adidas and during my x-mas shopping I noticed FootLocker had some stylish ones with cf on them <g>. I also have some Pumas that look like they could be good driving shoes. Carlos. (not really into shoes, no really) 98 M3

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