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#1. RE: [E36M3] Oe Tires - from Scott
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:19:24 -0700 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oe Tires In my fuzzy recollection my '99 M3 that I purchased new at the time came with Pilot Sports (staggered, of course). Sigh, I wish I would have kept that one... I learned the hard way. Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:08 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oe Tires Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oe Tires On Tue, May 8, 2007 9:58 am, Seth Thomas said: > What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am thinking they were > Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? I believe that's correct, for a '95 M3. The 96+ M3s were 225/45/17 Front 245/40/17 Rear. They may have also been MXX3s - at least that's what my '98 had on when I bought it. Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Oe Tires - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:23:53 -0600 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <Graeme.Weston-Lewis@lsi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oe Tires You could always check the date code on the tires. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11¤tpag e=26 Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Seth Thomas [mailto:porsche993@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:58 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Oe Tires Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:53:51 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: Oe Tires What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am thinking they were Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? I am trying to figure out if an M3 I saw still has the original tires on it or not. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> www.fountainmotorsports.com <http://www.fountainmotorsports.com/> ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. RE: OE Tires - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:05:49 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: OE Tires As everyone has indicated Michelin MXXX3s in a 235/40/17 where fitted to both the 95 M3 on 7.5 X 17 wheels and the LWT on staggered 7.5 X 17 and 8.5 X 17 wheels. Michelin MXXX3s in a 225/45/17 and 245/40/17 on staggered 7.5 X 17 and 8.5 X 17 wheels for 96+. Also as mentioned Pilot Sports replaced the MXXX3s in 98(?) as my June purchased 99 had the Pilot Sports. If any of those years had original MXXX3 tires, the car would have to have less than 32K - 38K miles. I don't recall the exact mileage my 98 had when I traded it in 1999 but the MXXX3s were just about done. And as mentioned they could have been purchased as replacements as late as mid 98(?). I loved the crisp turn-in response of the MXXX3's. But they nearly put my car into the Jersey barrier one morning on the way to work two weeks after I purchased it. I though what a terrible mistake I've just made with 40K+ hard earned dollars on a car I cannot drive in the rain. -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:53:51 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: Oe Tires What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am thinking they were Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? I am trying to figure out if an M3 I saw still has the original tires on it or not. - Seth Thomas
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#4. Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing maintenance - do yo... - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:54:44 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing maintenance - do yo... Belts and pulleys can be changed w/out pulling the radiator or fan shroud. Hoses, water pump and t-stat are another issue. T-stat can probably be changes w/out pulling the other stuff. I've done the pulleys and belts in about an hour w/out pulling all the other stuff; just the fan. Kent On May 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:40:56 EDT > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing > maintenance - do yo... > > No need to cut the shroud. Simply take the fan off (left hand > thread). I > think it's a 32mm. Once the fan is off: > > 1. Remove the top hose off the expansion tank. this hose also > snakes > through the top of the shroud and connects to the expansion tank. > 2. Remove the plastic shield on the bottom of the car and loosen > the bottom > hose (there is the one hose coming off the bottom of the radiator > as well as > the hose coming from the bottom of the expansion tank. > 3. Remove the expansion tank as it is simply connected to the > shroud and > not physically part of the radiator. > 4. The long hose that snakes from the drivers side of the car > through the > bottom of the shroud simply can be pulled out while removing the > shroud. The > top of the shroud is held to the radiator by two plastic push in > type clips. > 5. Remove the shroud > 6. Remove the radiator. The drain is at the bottom drivers > side. Remember > to unplug the two sensors on the passenger side of the radiator. > > Now you have plenty of room to get at the belts, tensioners and > thermostat > housing. Make sure you buy a new thermostat + o ring, and a new > profile > gasket for the thermostat housing. It is also ieal to buy the > aluminum thermostat > housing to replace the oem plastic one. Turner sells this with > the profile > gasket for $25 or so. > > Take the belts off, replace the tensioners and put belts back on. > > shel > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Fwd: [E36M3] Oe Tires - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:07:09 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Fwd: [E36M3] Oe Tires I've got a Dunlop SP 8080 that's the "new" spare in the trunk. Bill Ft. Worth 2/22/99 Coupe Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Date: May 8, 2007 12:08:14 PM CDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oe Tires > Reply-To: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:01:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oe Tires > > On Tue, May 8, 2007 9:58 am, Seth Thomas said: >> What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am thinking they were >> Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? > > I believe that's correct, for a '95 M3. The 96+ M3s were 225/45/17 > Front > 245/40/17 Rear. They may have also been MXX3s - at least that's > what my > '98 had on when I bought it. > > Jim Bassett > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing maintenance - do yo... - from Peter Loron
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:15:35 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing maintenance - do yo... I just did the t-stat. Pulled the top cover, and the fan. Even left the hoses connected to the t-stat housing. -Pete On 5/8/07, Kent L. Shephard <e36m3@kshephard.com> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:54:44 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing > maintenance - do yo... > > Belts and pulleys can be changed w/out pulling the radiator or fan > shroud. > Hoses, water pump and t-stat are another issue. T-stat can probably > be changes w/out pulling the other stuff. > > I've done the pulleys and belts in about an hour w/out pulling all > the other stuff; just the fan. > > Kent > On May 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:40:56 EDT > > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] radiator, shroud, idler and tensioner bearing > > maintenance - do yo... > > > > No need to cut the shroud. Simply take the fan off (left hand > > thread). I > > think it's a 32mm. Once the fan is off: > > > > 1. Remove the top hose off the expansion tank. this hose also > > snakes > > through the top of the shroud and connects to the expansion tank. > > 2. Remove the plastic shield on the bottom of the car and loosen > > the bottom > > hose (there is the one hose coming off the bottom of the radiator > > as well as > > the hose coming from the bottom of the expansion tank. > > 3. Remove the expansion tank as it is simply connected to the > > shroud and > > not physically part of the radiator. > > 4. The long hose that snakes from the drivers side of the car > > through the > > bottom of the shroud simply can be pulled out while removing the > > shroud. The > > top of the shroud is held to the radiator by two plastic push in > > type clips. > > 5. Remove the shroud > > 6. Remove the radiator. The drain is at the bottom drivers > > side. Remember > > to unplug the two sensors on the passenger side of the radiator. > > > > Now you have plenty of room to get at the belts, tensioners and > > thermostat > > housing. Make sure you buy a new thermostat + o ring, and a new > > profile > > gasket for the thermostat housing. It is also ieal to buy the > > aluminum thermostat > > housing to replace the oem plastic one. Turner sells this with > > the profile > > gasket for $25 or so. > > > > Take the belts off, replace the tensioners and put belts back on. > > > > shel > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > > www.aol.com. > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires In any event, if they are the original tires - regardless of wear, they will be rock hard by now!! 10 year old near race-sticky tires are a scary thought.... My '69 Camaro is riding on 7 year old M+S version of that same tire - tread is a good 75%, but the tires are all but useless at this point and in sore need of replacement. Scott --- "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:05:49 -0700 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: OE Tires > > As everyone has indicated Michelin MXXX3s in a > 235/40/17 where fitted to > both the 95 M3 on 7.5 X 17 wheels and the LWT on > staggered 7.5 X 17 and > 8.5 X 17 wheels. > Michelin MXXX3s in a 225/45/17 and 245/40/17 on > staggered 7.5 X 17 and > 8.5 X 17 wheels for 96+. Also as mentioned Pilot > Sports replaced the > MXXX3s in 98(?) as my June purchased 99 had the > Pilot Sports. > > If any of those years had original MXXX3 tires, the > car would have to > have less than 32K - 38K miles. > I don't recall the exact mileage my 98 had when I > traded it in 1999 but > the MXXX3s were just about done. > > And as mentioned they could have been purchased as > replacements as late > as mid 98(?). > I loved the crisp turn-in response of the MXXX3's. > But they nearly put > my car into the Jersey barrier one morning on the > way to work two weeks > after I purchased it. I though what a terrible > mistake I've just made > with 40K+ hard earned dollars on a car I cannot > drive in the rain. > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:53:51 -0400 > From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> > Subject: Oe Tires > > What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am > thinking they were > Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? > I am trying to figure out if an M3 I saw still has > the original tires on > it or not. - Seth Thomas > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. RE: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:18:49 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires BMW recommends replacing tires as soon as they hit 6 years old, no matter what the wear. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires In any event, if they are the original tires - regardless of wear, they will be rock hard by now!! 10 year old near race-sticky tires are a scary thought.... My '69 Camaro is riding on 7 year old M+S version of that same tire - tread is a good 75%, but the tires are all but useless at this point and in sore need of replacement. Scott --- "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:05:49 -0700 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: OE Tires > > As everyone has indicated Michelin MXXX3s in a > 235/40/17 where fitted to > both the 95 M3 on 7.5 X 17 wheels and the LWT on > staggered 7.5 X 17 and > 8.5 X 17 wheels. > Michelin MXXX3s in a 225/45/17 and 245/40/17 on > staggered 7.5 X 17 and > 8.5 X 17 wheels for 96+. Also as mentioned Pilot > Sports replaced the > MXXX3s in 98(?) as my June purchased 99 had the > Pilot Sports. > > If any of those years had original MXXX3 tires, the > car would have to > have less than 32K - 38K miles. > I don't recall the exact mileage my 98 had when I > traded it in 1999 but > the MXXX3s were just about done. > > And as mentioned they could have been purchased as > replacements as late > as mid 98(?). > I loved the crisp turn-in response of the MXXX3's. > But they nearly put > my car into the Jersey barrier one morning on the > way to work two weeks > after I purchased it. I though what a terrible > mistake I've just made > with 40K+ hard earned dollars on a car I cannot > drive in the rain. > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:53:51 -0400 > From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> > Subject: Oe Tires > > What were the OE tires the E36 M3 came with? I am > thinking they were > Michelin MXX3s in a 235/40/17. Is this correct? > I am trying to figure out if an M3 I saw still has > the original tires on > it or not. - Seth Thomas > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/793 - Release Date: 5/7/2007 2:55 PM
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#9. RE: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires - from Reed Nicholson
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:22:30 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <reedthis@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires They probably recommend you buy them from a BMW dealer, too. Those BMW guys are always looking out for us! ;) Reed/Seattle > BMW recommends replacing tires as soon as they hit 6 years > old, no matter what the wear. > > Paul L Fisher > > 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic > 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red > > Become a BMW CCA Member! > > Elkhorn, WI. > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:24:02 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OE Tires 38K on Pilot SX MXX3's!!!!!!!! I could not get 38K out of my MXX3's if I drove off a cliff!! I burned up my original rear tires in less than 8K! <vbg> I bought my '95 M3 in January 1996. If you remember, all of the car magazines were in love with the M3. It was COTY, Best Handling, Top 10, etc... Every tom dick and harry wanted to challenge me at every stoplight. I had Z28 Camaros, Trans Ams, GT Mustangs, SHO Tauruses, SS Impalas, Corvettes, ... , you-name-it. Well, I was quite happy to defend Sir M3's honor! hehehe I did pretty well. Corvettes would usually beat me but if the joker missed a shift, I had him. The only vehicle that spanked me [and I knew it would] was the GMC Typhoon. Whew! There was no vehicle on earth quicker to 40 mph than that son-of-a-gun! My rear tires were lucky to make it to 8K, and remember the '95 M3 does not have traction control. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 ------------------------------------- In a message dated 5/8/07 1:08:49 PM Central Daylight Time, kim.l.burgess@boeing.com writes: If any of those years had original MXXX3 tires, the car would have to have less than 32K - 38K miles. I don't recall the exact mileage my 98 had when I traded it in 1999 but the MXXX3s were just about done. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.