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#1. RE: [E36M3] Good wiring practices was Preventing Airbag Light - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:40:46 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Good wiring practices was Preventing Airbag Light That's how I diod it. Simple and effective... -----Original Message----- From: tim ng [mailto:s14realm3@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:05 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Good wiring practices was Preventing Airbag Light Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:59:11 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: Good wiring practices was Preventing Airbag Light I did the 3ohm resistor and its a 10 min job, no problems, easier than I thought it would be. I can get some pictures and post it. I just solder my 3 ohm resistor to the airbag wire under the steering colum cover.
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:50:17 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Hmmmm? I've used these for years on my 240z, Z28 and C5 and never had a noise issue... R4S are good for me. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:05 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:03:35 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... On May 30, 2007, at 7:45 PM, aek@pumpkininc.com wrote: > I _love_ R4S for the street -- very low dust, and the red/brown > dust is > absolutely non-corrosive . Take some time to bed in, but after that > they're > fine. I will take the opposite position on these (again, Hi Andrew). These pads absolutely suck ass on the street. I have tried them on 3 different BMWs (E36 M3, E39 528, E38 740) and they squealed like a garbage truck on every one of them. Other people I know have had exactly the same problem. I gooped them. I chamfered them. I felted them. I swung the dead chicken around every time I installed them. SQUEEEAAAAAALLLL!! "Hey, is your bus here or is that just Mark pulling up?" Give them a pass. They SUCK, which is a damned shame as (as Andrew pointed out) they are low dust and stop well on the street (but will fade on the track).
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:53 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... On May 30, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: > Hmmmm? I've used these for years on my 240z, Z28 and C5 and never > had a > noise issue... Different calipers. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Jason Knight
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... I run HP+ pads on my M3 (which got them initially for track duty, then the car got retired, and I have other cars that need to be track ready, so I've never switched the pads back out on the M3). Braking is awesome. Do they squeal? Like a banshee, trash truck, whatever (I actually wave at the trash guys that lunch at the underpass when I drive by on Mondays), but, when I'm driving through the parking lot and the product management guys are walking three abreast, a low speed drag on the brakes alerts them that I'm there and they get the hell out of the way. Point is, choose the squeek or choose lesser braking. Jason ----- Original Message ---- From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:55:05 PM Subject: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:52:17 -0700 From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> Subject: Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Thinking about picking up a set of each of these for my street and race pads. Previously I've used PF97 and Hawk Blue and Hawk DTC70 race pads. I liked the 97's and 70's, the Blues weren't enough for me and I killed them. How do the R4's stack up vs the '97's? How are the R4s on the street? Good bite, quiet street pads? I currently have Axxis Ultimates and I HATE them! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from drevans@fuse.net
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 0:01:42 -0400 From: <drevans@fuse.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... One trick that I have learned from a mechanic friend that has worked like a charm in preventing brake squeal is to use never-seize anywhere you have metal to metal contact i.e. brake piston to backing plate. Since I learned this trick, I have had almost no squealing from the brakes period. This even includes track pads. Just my .02 on squeal subject. I ran the Porterfield track pads at Putnam for the first time and was reasonably happy with them. Someone once told me that had the best description for them is that they are the Toyo RA1 of the brake pad world. I would agree with that description. Nice and consistent through a 30 minute session and I did not encounter any fade. I was not ready to pony up to the cost of the HT-14's plus being able to drive to and from the track with them is nice. Rich Evans ---- Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:03:35 -0700 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... > > On May 30, 2007, at 7:45 PM, aek@pumpkininc.com wrote: > > I _love_ R4S for the street -- very low dust, and the red/brown > > dust is > > absolutely non-corrosive . Take some time to bed in, but after that > > they're > > fine. > > I will take the opposite position on these (again, Hi Andrew). > > These pads absolutely suck ass on the street. I have tried them on 3 > different BMWs (E36 M3, E39 528, E38 740) and they squealed like a > garbage truck on every one of them. > > Other people I know have had exactly the same problem. > > I gooped them. I chamfered them. I felted them. I swung the dead > chicken around every time I installed them. > > SQUEEEAAAAAALLLL!! > > "Hey, is your bus here or is that just Mark pulling up?" > > Give them a pass. They SUCK, which is a damned shame as (as Andrew > pointed out) they are low dust and stop well on the street (but will > fade on the track). > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net > > Check out my JustRacing homepage at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:11:15 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... On May 30, 2007, at 9:01 PM, <drevans@fuse.net> wrote: > One trick that I have learned from a mechanic friend that has > worked like a charm in preventing brake squeal is to use never- > seize anywhere you have metal to metal contact i.e. brake piston to > backing plate. Since I learned this trick, I have had almost no > squealing from the brakes period. This even includes track pads. > Just my .02 on squeal subject. Yeah, I forgot to mention it, but I tried that, too. Copper high- temp. SQUEAAAAAAL! > I ran the Porterfield track pads at Putnam for the first time and > was reasonably happy with them. Someone once told me that had the > best description for them is that they are the Toyo RA1 of the > brake pad world. I would agree with that description. Nice and > consistent through a 30 minute session and I did not encounter any > fade. You will. I think they are fine for a rookie student (D/low-C group in BMW CCA speak), but not beyond that. Ducting would help. I think the RA-1s are all-around more capable for what they are as a tire than the R-4s pads are for brake pads. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:20:43 -0700 From: DocWyte <docwyte@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Thanks for the comments. These will be going in my Stoptech ST-40 calipers, so I'm not sure if they'll make noise like a stock e36 m3 caliper would. Sounds like the R4s is a good street pad and I need to stick to my DTC-70's for the track... Jay Hudson wrote: > I've used both. I liked the R4-S pads for street. Not bad for a > beginner track pad (not you but someone who's just starting DEs). Low > dust, no problems with caustic dust and I had no noise issues. Others > have said they were noisy. I went thru a few sets with no issues. I > used lots of Permatex spray on brake goop on the backs of the pads. > Maybe that's the trick. > > The R4 pads are a decent track pad but not up to the performance of > the Hawk HT-10s or HT-14s I've been using. I doubt you'd be satisfied > with them. Like the R4-S pads they have no caustic dust but are noisy > and dust heavily. > > You know Porterfield gives a 20% discount for Suzy's list, yes? They > do the discount on Hawks too. > > Jay
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:21:15 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... Yeah, but mine aren't different. Well, not much different if you still have non-M brakes. And I've used them for years with no noise issues. Or, maybe I just had my stereo up too loud ;-) Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Dadgar" <mark@pdc-racing.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... > Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:53 -0700 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... > > On May 30, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: >> Hmmmm? I've used these for years on my 240z, Z28 and C5 and never had a >> noise issue... > > Different calipers. > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net > > Check out my JustRacing homepage at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:39:17 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Comments on Porterfield R4s and R4 pads... On May 30, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Jay Hudson wrote: > Yeah, but mine aren't different. Well, not much different if you > still have non-M brakes. And I've used them for years with no > noise issues. Or, maybe I just had my stereo up too loud ;-) I'm pretty sure the '95 M3, the E39 528, and the E38 740 all used the same front caliper. That's a pretty good data point. Another guy I know used them on his E38 740, too, even after I warned him. They were quiet for a month or two, then they started doing their garbage truck impression. He took 'em off. It's great if you can get 'em to work - they are a good street pad otherwise. I wouldn't ever try 'em again myself. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#10. Re: Car and Driver - from Adam Lazur
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 02:56:53 -0700 From: Adam Lazur <adam@lazur.org> Subject: Re: Car and Driver Burgess, Kim L (kim.l.burgess@boeing.com) said: > Looking for photocopies/scans of Car and Driver or other magazine > articles featuring the 1995 E36 M3 for club magazine (Z?ndfolge) > article to promote our PSR Club Concurs in July - Featured car this > year is the E36M3. Here are a few links I had tucked away. Best Handling Car for More Than $30k: http://www3.telus.net/tetsuo/E36M3.htm BMW E36M3 Euro Propaganda/Brochure: http://members.home.nl/pieter79/ (click M3 Brochure) Big pile of scanned M3 ads and reviews: http://raptor.nauticaltech.com/~jworms/m3/ads.and.reviews/ -- Adam Lazur