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#1. RE: OT: STi - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:13:42 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: STi Paul, Your statement about blowing tranny, turbos, motors, halfhalfshaft might be a bit overstreched. The car in my possession has 4K track miles. The only thing that went wrong was the 5th gear synchro and it was fixed with an 05 synchro. Apart from that, no half shaft or diff or tranny or turbo. Yes you do see a lot of clowns doing 6K launches and blowing things up. That's not why I bought this car or intend on doing. I needed a track worthy car that I can drive everyday for the next 6 months and it fit the bill just right. The E36 is a phenomenal car but to make it as fast as an Sti for the track, I would have to spend another $10K. Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet (an ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t warranty. These cars have their quirks not doubt, but its not like they will fall flat right in the middle of some turn. Expect the clutch to fail at 25K miles and I am already prepared for that. If you see last year's T2 results, these AWDs and they did quite well against the E46 M3s. I spoke to a lot of tuners and (a local dealership here did One Lap and did very well) before I got this car. I was convinced when I got a ride last year. Street tires (OEM) 225/45/17, Pagid Yellos, JIC Coilover, exhaust and flash and the car was turning 1:39s at Road ATL (by an A Group student none the less). Ahmad Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:48:42 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: STi I've autocrossed an Sti a couple times, wow, love that car. The EVOs are killing me in STU, but I have a lot of work to do yet. That being said, I don't think I could deal with owning them, I've heard about and seen enough broken stuff to not want to autox one. I'd rather change a $200 radiator than a clutch. Or halfshaft, or diff, or trans, or turbo.... -Paul
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#2. Victory PD - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:43:34 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Victory PD Hey all, Anyone know what's up with Victory Product Design? I ordered their underdrive pulley set almost 2 weeks ago, and they then emailed me the next day saying they were out of the alternator sockets and offered me just the two wrenches. I took their offer, and it's been about a week now with no response. They don't pick up the phone any time I've called, so either something terribly wrong happened or they're just really crappy with customer service. Funny thing is in my last return email to them I thanked them for the prompt response and good service. Hah.... we'll see about that. Brian build 8/95
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi - from Rex Tener
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:31:41 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi At 03:15 PM 6/4/2007, Ahmad Lutfeali wrote: >Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet (an >ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t >warranty. I have a really good friend whose transfer case went out on his Evo at 50K miles. He is a really mellow driver, no hard launches, and the car has the original clutch in it with no signs of overheating. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust. Went through arbitration. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust (you would think that at least the arbitrator would know the law in the field that they are deciding cases on). Now he is talking to lawyers ... It is not like he is the only person to have an Evo transfer case die from internal gear failure at 50K miles of street driving. I am really cynical about warranties and free service, but I am glad it works out for some people. Rex
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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:40:31 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi Was the aftermarket exhaust installed when it was brought in? Typically to have warranties covered, the car has to be in stock form, and some companies are stricter than others about the level of 'stock' it has to be. On 6/4/07, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:31:41 -0700 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > At 03:15 PM 6/4/2007, Ahmad Lutfeali wrote: > >Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet > (an > >ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t > >warranty. > > I have a really good friend whose transfer case went out on his Evo > at 50K miles. He is a really mellow driver, no hard launches, and > the car has the original clutch in it with no signs of > overheating. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust. Went > through arbitration. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust > (you would think that at least the arbitrator would know the law in > the field that they are deciding cases on). Now he is talking to lawyers > ... > > It is not like he is the only person to have an Evo transfer case die > from internal gear failure at 50K miles of street driving. > > I am really cynical about warranties and free service, but I am glad > it works out for some people. > > Rex > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:51:28 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi I forget the name of the actual law but it states (paraphrased) that for an aftermarket part or modification to void part or all of a vehicle warranty, it must be proven that the part or modification resulted in the failure. I can think of a couple reasons they could give to support this: Aftermarket exhaust dumps more heat into T-Case. Aftermarket exhaust creates so much more power that the T-Case can't handle it. That said - it's a crap argument. I'm sure your friend and his lawyer will prevail. On 6/4/07, Benjamin Hirsch <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:40:31 -0700 > From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > Was the aftermarket exhaust installed when it was brought in? Typically to > have warranties covered, the car has to be in stock form, and some companies > are stricter than others about the level of 'stock' it has to be. > > On 6/4/07, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:31:41 -0700 > > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > > > At 03:15 PM 6/4/2007, Ahmad Lutfeali wrote: > > >Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet > > (an > > >ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t > > >warranty. > > > > I have a really good friend whose transfer case went out on his Evo > > at 50K miles. He is a really mellow driver, no hard launches, and > > the car has the original clutch in it with no signs of > > overheating. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust. Went > > through arbitration. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust > > (you would think that at least the arbitrator would know the law in > > the field that they are deciding cases on). Now he is talking to lawyers > > ... > > > > It is not like he is the only person to have an Evo transfer case die > > from internal gear failure at 50K miles of street driving. > > > > I am really cynical about warranties and free service, but I am glad > > it works out for some people. > > > > Rex > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Ben > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:29:45 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi It's actually part of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which governs warranties in general. Check out the 6th paragraph. Lifted from http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2669.html Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act The relevant legislation here, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty - Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975, protects consumers from being wrongfully denied warranty coverage by new car dealers. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act states, in part, in Title 15, United States Code, Section 2302, subdivision (c): No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the [Federal Trade] Commission if — (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefore. Under this federal statute, a manufacturer who issues a warranty on your motor vehicle is prohibited from requiring you to use a service or maintenance item, unless such item is provided, free of charge, under your warranty or unless the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) waives this prohibition against the manufacturer. Further, under the act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not automatically void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warranty, or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. On 6/4/07, Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:51:28 -0700 > From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > I forget the name of the actual law but it states (paraphrased) that > for an aftermarket part or modification to void part or all of a > vehicle warranty, it must be proven that the part or modification > resulted in the failure. > > I can think of a couple reasons they could give to support this: > > Aftermarket exhaust dumps more heat into T-Case. > Aftermarket exhaust creates so much more power that the T-Case can't handle it. > > That said - it's a crap argument. I'm sure your friend and his lawyer > will prevail. > > On 6/4/07, Benjamin Hirsch <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:40:31 -0700 > > From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > > > Was the aftermarket exhaust installed when it was brought in? Typically to > > have warranties covered, the car has to be in stock form, and some companies > > are stricter than others about the level of 'stock' it has to be. > > > > On 6/4/07, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:31:41 -0700 > > > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi > > > > > > At 03:15 PM 6/4/2007, Ahmad Lutfeali wrote: > > > >Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet > > > (an > > > >ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t > > > >warranty. > > > > > > I have a really good friend whose transfer case went out on his Evo > > > at 50K miles. He is a really mellow driver, no hard launches, and > > > the car has the original clutch in it with no signs of > > > overheating. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust. Went > > > through arbitration. Warranty denied because of aftermarket exhaust > > > (you would think that at least the arbitrator would know the law in > > > the field that they are deciding cases on). Now he is talking to lawyers > > > ... > > > > > > It is not like he is the only person to have an Evo transfer case die > > > from internal gear failure at 50K miles of street driving. > > > > > > I am really cynical about warranties and free service, but I am glad > > > it works out for some people. > > > > > > Rex > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#7. Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:33:07 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? Hi, I bought a gauge panel real cheap last week. Now, I need gauges. I have decided to do the standard gauges Oil Temp, Oil Press and Voltage. No the big question. Do I buy the expensive distribution block and take the temp near the pressure reading or do I take it from the drain plug?? The drain plug seem like such a kludge but I'm open. Kent
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:06:55 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? On 6/4/07, Kent L. Shephard <e36m3@kshephard.com> wrote: > I bought a gauge panel real cheap last week. > Now, I need gauges. I have decided to do the standard gauges Oil > Temp, Oil Press and Voltage. > No the big question. Do I buy the expensive distribution block and > take the temp near the pressure reading or > do I take it from the drain plug?? > > The drain plug seem like such a kludge but I'm open. Jesse Chamberlain on this list sells a nice distribution block. I believe he charges less than the others. Carlos 98 M3
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:07:35 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? I have two sending units, one for my oil temp gauge (taken at the drain plug), and one for my oil temp warning light on my dash (taken near the vanos), and temps seem to be pretty close to eachother, but if I was only going to do one, I'd take it near the vanos (less time to cool down, and less of a pita to do an oil change, and also... less of a chance to brake the wire that goes out and away from the oil drain plug sending unit (ask me how I know). On 6/4/07, Kent L. Shephard <e36m3@kshephard.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:33:07 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> > Subject: Pro/Con of taking temp at oil pan drain plug? > > Hi, > > I bought a gauge panel real cheap last week. > Now, I need gauges. I have decided to do the standard gauges Oil > Temp, Oil Press and Voltage. > No the big question. Do I buy the expensive distribution block and > take the temp near the pressure reading or > do I take it from the drain plug?? > > The drain plug seem like such a kludge but I'm open. > > Kent > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#10. RE: OT: STi - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:15:55 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: RE: OT: STi Ahmed, Hello.. We still love you and you are still one of us.. (for the time being.. I guess!) How long do we give him before we totally strike him name from the scrolls? :) Have fun with your new toy!!! Don't let the Super model make you her b#tch! :) Best Mo -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 02:18:44 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: STi All right guys and gals. Been with you all since 1999, Cut me some slack here please ;) Just experimenting with a new toy here. I do miss my BMWs and promise to be back. In the interim, please do not disown me. LOL Ahmad (having a love/hate affair but enjoying it none the less) Lutfeali
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#11. Toyo RA1s for DE Events - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:22:09 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Toyo RA1s for DE Events I agree with Gary.. Have them just slightly shaved, and then heat cycle them your self.. I do it a little different than Gary.. After driving them a bit I go to a large college parking lot by my house, and do circles for about 3-5 min in each direction, and then some figure 8's.. This heats up the tread nice and even, and then I let the car sit overnight.. Regards, Mo -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:01:10 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA1s for DE Events I'd say shave them, then go heat cycle them...You can heat cycle them yourself.. Mount fresh shaved tires on your car..Go get on the interstate drive 50 miles and then come home and jack the car up so the tires are not sitting onthe ground... Now you have a set of heat cycled tires that will last slightly longer than just shaved... Gary