E36M3 #5276

Tuesday, June 05, 2007 21:36:08

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#1. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from Gus Iverson
#2. Bridgestone RE01R - from RFKoby@aol.com
#3. RE: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi - from Paul Andrews
#4. Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA1s for DE Events - from Raza Uddin
#5. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from Jim Bassett
#6. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from David Ngo
#7. RE: [E36M3] Bridgestone RE-01R's - from Alex Demsky
#8. Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps - from jbjerke@charter.net
#9. Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps - from Benjamin Hirsch
#10. Anyone going to be at Buttonwillow this weekend (and not racing)? - from Kirk

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#1. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:49:16 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates Yes, well it is adjustable. I meant a simplistic way for people like me. The front plates allow me to simply go from street settings (max positive within the adjustment range) to the other stop (max negative). I don't feel comfortable doing that in the rear. On 6/5/07, Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > On Tue, June 5, 2007 1:35 pm, Gus Iverson wrote: > > You'll have fixed rear camber, > > true (unless someone has a solution I'm unaware of) > > Rear camber is adjustable from the factory :-) > > > RA-1s and similar require a lot more negative camber in front than I'd > > like to run on the street, personally. > > In terms of camber, I had the hats swapped on the M3, which got me about > -2.5 up front. With judicious tire rotation, I didn't have too much of a > wear issue. Swapped hats was, in my case, a simple, easy (free! :-)) > compromise setting for a car that was both my track car and daily driver. > YTWMV :-) > > The race car currently runs at about -3.5 up front (-3 at the rear). > > Jim Bassett > >

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#2. Bridgestone RE01R - from RFKoby@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:50:52 EDT From: RFKoby@aol.com Subject: Bridgestone RE01R Hi Gang, I use these for the track rain tires. 225/50/16 on my pseudo SpecE36 trackcar / racecar. With G2Xtreme data from Road America at the end of April, I hit a peak of 1.1 G's in light rain going thru the carousel. It was lower during the pouring rain. FYI - Dry track tire is the Yokohama A048 in 245/40/17. As fast, or Faster?, as the Toyo RA1. I run these unshaved, no heat cycle. They are extremely consistent, no fall off, and no risk of tread damage. They are expensive, but they do last 5-8 track weekends and so of those weekends were dual driver. This is the 2nd season I have run the A048. Suspension alignment, and tire pressure are critical to get the most out of any tire. The Yoko A048 is somewhat unconventional is that the start pressure is very low. Almost old BFG R1 low...... see you at the track bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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#3. RE: [E36M3] RE:  OT: STi - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:51:22 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi Maybe an overstatement, but expecting only 25K out of a clutch? No thank you. I've seen an STI break a halfshaft on course (not launching). OTOH, I've seen BMWs break a radiator on course, too. But that is preventable, and easier to fix. I'd love to drive an Evo or Sti, but I'd think twice about owning one. I also own a 2005 Legacy GT. Great car, for the most part, but it has a few issues, and trying to get the dealership (or SOA) to address anything is near-impossible. I had better luck with my VW dealer! I can't imagine they would be more friendly to an Sti owner. No such issues with the BMW, it has no warranty! In any case, no doubt an Evo or Sti is faster than an E36 on track. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:15 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: OT: STi Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:13:42 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: STi Paul, Your statement about blowing tranny, turbos, motors, halfhalfshaft might be a bit overstreched. The car in my possession has 4K track miles. The only thing that went wrong was the 5th gear synchro and it was fixed with an 05 synchro. Apart from that, no half shaft or diff or tranny or turbo. Yes you do see a lot of clowns doing 6K launches and blowing things up. That's not why I bought this car or intend on doing. I needed a track worthy car that I can drive everyday for the next 6 months and it fit the bill just right. The E36 is a phenomenal car but to make it as fast as an Sti for the track, I would have to spend another $10K. Oh BTW did I mention the 5 year 60K power train warranty? Bernardo Payet (an ex CM M3 owner) got his Evo and it came with a standard 10 year/100K p/t warranty. These cars have their quirks not doubt, but its not like they will fall flat right in the middle of some turn. Expect the clutch to fail at 25K miles and I am already prepared for that. If you see last year's T2 results, these AWDs and they did quite well against the E46 M3s. I spoke to a lot of tuners and (a local dealership here did One Lap and did very well) before I got this car. I was convinced when I got a ride last year. Street tires (OEM) 225/45/17, Pagid Yellos, JIC Coilover, exhaust and flash and the car was turning 1:39s at Road ATL (by an A Group student none the less). Ahmad Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:48:42 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: STi I've autocrossed an Sti a couple times, wow, love that car. The EVOs are killing me in STU, but I have a lot of work to do yet. That being said, I don't think I could deal with owning them, I've heard about and seen enough broken stuff to not want to autox one. I'd rather change a $200 radiator than a clutch. Or halfshaft, or diff, or trans, or turbo.... -Paul

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA1s for DE Events - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:00:32 -0800 From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA1s for DE Events On 6/5/07, Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > > I don't think I necessarily disputed that. However, the full-tread > drop-off is not that dramatic, and for an HPDE environment would be nearly > unnoticeable. I'm not saying "Don't shave 'em ever". Just look at the > situation (when I ran a few races on RA-1s, I did have a separate, shaved > set for that purpose). I see. But the point of my original post was to warn other's to be careful as a full tread set will squirm more than a shaved set (if this was their first time on the tire). I'm sure if I had any less experience at the time, I would have easily chucked the car into the barriers. Not meaning to pick on you, Raza, but I know you have a fair amount of > track experience. There's more to it that just driving, at a certain > point. No worries. I understand what it takes to drive these tires (now), but wasn't sure about the OP or others reading the thread. I just wanted others to know that these tires do squirm until most of the tread block is worn away. Much more so than any other of the cross-treaded r-comps I have ever driven. Actually, this brings me to a good point. Toyo very much saw a need to update the RA1 and has introduced the Nitto NT-01 which is supposed a better, modernized RA1. I'm not sure about pricing or sizing, but I think it would be a good alternative. All the reviews I've heard have been very positive about the new tires. No need for shaving and none of the vices of an RA1. I'm very much considering a set once I cord my V710s. Drive Safely, Raza

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#5. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates On Tue, June 5, 2007 1:55 pm, Gus Iverson wrote: > Yes, well it is adjustable. I meant a simplistic way for people like > me. Fair enough. But you wouldn't have been the first person to not know that the rear was adjustable - including some alignment "technicians" from what I've heard :-) Jim Bassett

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#6. Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates - from David Ngo
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates I run about -4 deg. in front and about -2.7 deg. in the back on my car with over 10k street miles with minimal additional inside edge wear. The key is to run 0 toe in front. The camber keeps my V710s happy when I autox. :) Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:45:04 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] turner fixed camber plates <snip> In terms of camber, I had the hats swapped on the M3, which got me about -2.5 up front. With judicious tire rotation, I didn't have too much of a wear issue. Swapped hats was, in my case, a simple, easy (free! :-)) compromise setting for a car that was both my track car and daily driver. YTWMV :-)

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Bridgestone RE-01R's - from Alex Demsky
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:01:43 -0400 From: "Alex Demsky" <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Bridgestone RE-01R's Wow, 39 for the street? Isnt that high? When I was running it at 38lbs(testing) I thought the ride was bone jarring. Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url] 97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url] 07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url] >From: "Sinha, Vikas" <Vikas.Sinha@aam.com> >Reply-To: "Sinha, Vikas" <Vikas.Sinha@aam.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Bridgestone RE-01R's >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:25:04 -0500 > >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:19:05 -0400 >From: "Sinha, Vikas" <Vikas.Sinha@aam.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Bridgestone RE-01R's > > > Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:59:54 -0400 > > From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > > > >> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:19:05 -0400 > >> From: "Alex Demsky" <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> > >> > >> Can I ask what tire pressure you guys found to be the best? I havent > >> liked these tires since theyve been on my car. I cant feel anything >on > >> the road the front end feels numb. > >> > > > > I prefer around 38lbs but since they just got put on > > I didn't adjust them so they're probably right at 36-37lbs. > >I run mine at 39 psi on the street, will probably start with Kirk's >recommendation for the track. > > >Vik >97 M3/4 > _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01

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#8. Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps - from jbjerke@charter.net
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:10:31 -0700 From: <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps I've been running 235-40-17 RA-1's on my 98 M3 for several years now. Would like to go to a 245-40 as that is the stock rear size and my 8.5" wide wheels won't bang together on the track trailer during transport. For DE events I've been very happy with the longevity of the RA-1 and don't want to go back to Hoosier's even though I miss the grip and weight of those. I've seen some chatter on the Hankook Z211 and it's available in 245-40 although they seem to be discontinued. There's a Z214 and I'm kicking around the thought of trying those. The tread looks similar to a Hoosier (2 grooves). They also have different compounds (C30, C50 & C70). Are one of these compounds comaprible to the RA-1 in longevity and grip? Is the Z211 gone? Jeff Bjerke 98 Red/Blk Coupe

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:44:19 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps Switched from a 235/40/17 shaved RA1 to the Hankook Z214 Z51 Compound, and took a little over 2 seconds off my best time at Thunderhill (Willows, CA). Ron at Aim Tires says they're seeing lifespans very simliar to RA1's!!!! I LOVE them! On 6/5/07, jbjerke@charter.net <jbjerke@charter.net> wrote: > > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:10:31 -0700 > From: <jbjerke@charter.net> > Subject: Toyo RA-1 / Hankook R-Comps > > I've been running 235-40-17 RA-1's on my 98 M3 for several years now. > Would like to go to a 245-40 as that is the stock rear size and my 8.5" > wide wheels won't bang together on the track trailer during transport. > For DE events I've been very happy with the longevity of the RA-1 and > don't want to go back to Hoosier's even though I miss the grip and weight of > those. > I've seen some chatter on the Hankook Z211 and it's available in 245-40 > although they seem to be discontinued. There's a Z214 and I'm kicking around > the thought of trying those. The tread looks similar to a Hoosier (2 > grooves). They also have different compounds (C30, C50 & C70). Are one of > these compounds comaprible to the RA-1 in longevity and grip? Is the Z211 > gone? > > Jeff Bjerke > 98 Red/Blk Coupe > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben

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#10. Anyone going to be at Buttonwillow this weekend (and not racing)? - from Kirk
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:31:25 -0700 From: "Kirk" <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Anyone going to be at Buttonwillow this weekend (and not racing)? Please contact me off list if you are going to be at Buttonwillow this weekend. Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock

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