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#1. Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT - from Jason Knight
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT I've had trouble finding E46 M3 sales data, let alone a breakdown by gender. Care to share your information source? I'd love to see the numbers. Jason ----- Original Message ---- From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:47:22 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT I completely agree - if you want a convertible, just get a 335i. Of course, seems that at least 1/3 of M3's sold are ragtops - majority to women too. So go figure. Scott
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#2. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Scott McClung
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 While I would MUCH prefer a 5-door, I will accept a coupe with folding rear seats. I don't know why they are putting so much stock in the 10 year old history with the 318tii - times are different now, and wagons are much more in vogue - just look at how many 5-door models WRX is selling when the same car is available in a sedan - I bet it is 1:1. I think that is a better market research study - the 318tii is completely irrelevent. We are talking here about a 300hp little hot hod here, not a little 130hp econo-car. Offering a coupe only will actually limit their market, IMHO. Scott --- cteague@cox.net wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:10:50 -0400 > From: <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > The current European 4 door (and 2 door) 1 series > are both hatchbacks. > BMW NA is convinced Americans won't by hatchbacks > because of the poor sales of the 318ti. I'd much > rather have the 5 door 1 series since it looks > nicer, and is more practical. It basically is a > wagon (looks very similar to the Mazda 3 5 door). > But we get this special "coupe" with a small trunk. > Europe get's that also starting in November this > year. They get them all, we get the coupe and > convertible. Rats. ;-) > > I'm still thinking of getting the 135i Coupe > anyway.... > > Chris > 97 4-Door M3 > > > ---- Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> wrote: > > What about a 4-door?? > > > > I'd much rather have a 135i sedan than a 335i > sedan. > > Not just based on size or weight. The looks of the > > 135i coupe are stunning! It may be the first > Bangle > > car I love. > > > > Interestingly, I bet the size of a 135i sedan > would be > > very close to the size of an e36 M3 sedan. > > > > But everything I've read indicates that the only 1 > > series cars to come here will be the coupe and > cabrio. > > Why is that? Would a 135i sedan kill sales of the > 335i > > sedan? > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Scott McClung
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 That was my motto too, but then after using it about a dozen times it started to wear thin.... :-) My wife has described me as an addict - but instead of a substance I am addicted to cars. And there is no 12-step program for that. Unless you count the council I get during track days and race weekends, but I think that may just dump more fuel on the raging fire. Luckily, my wife has learned to live with that and accepts that as one of my few (many?) quirks. She is not without a few of those herself. Who isn't, right? haha Scott --- Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:09:21 -0500 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > > Oh well, the less cool cars that they bring here > means the less money > > I have to beg my wife for. > > My motto when faced with these issues is: > > "It is much better to beg for forgiveness than to > ask for permission" ;-) > > Regards > > Jamie > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] '95 M3 hard to start - from Jason Thrasher
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:35:44 -0700 From: "Jason Thrasher" <thrasher.jason@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] '95 M3 hard to start Idle control valve? On 6/28/07, William <bigtank2005@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:10:18 -0400 > From: William <bigtank2005@gmail.com> > Subject: [E36M3] '95 M3 hard to start > > Good evening, > > > > I have a small bust pesky problem with my 1995 M3. When I am doing a cold > start it requires 5 - 7 seconds of cranking to get her to start. Once she > is warm she will crank right up, unless she has been sitting for over 15 - > 20 minutes. One more thing about cold start, once started, if I get on > the > gas a little she will sput and studder, until warm. My diagnosis is > somewhere in the fuel system? > > > > Other facts: Problem started immediately after the installation of my > Eurosport TS. The Fuel pump (which includes the entire housing) and > injectors were replaced with the installation of this kit. I don't > believe > the injectors or the pump have anything to do with it. I believe I have > upset or disturbed some old and aging fitting, clamp or line during the > installation. The wild thing is once she is warm, she runs like a top, > throughout the full RPM range. > > > > Possibilities: > > 1. Old and dry rotted fuel lines that run from the tank to the > filter? > > > > 2. Loose connection at the fuel rail (tightened) (no fuel observed > anywhere in the engine compartment) > > > > 3. …this is where you guys come in > > > > > > > > W. Wallace > > '95 M3 > > Fayetteville, NC > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT - from Scott McClung
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT only a guess based on the ratio of coupe to ragtops I see for sale used here in CA. I would say at least in this state that is a pretty good estimate if not maybe slightly on the low side for ragtop %. Scott --- Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:30:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT > > I've had trouble finding E46 M3 sales data, let > alone a breakdown by gender. Care to share your > information source? I'd love to see the numbers. > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:47:22 PM > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT > > I completely agree - if you want a convertible, just > get a 335i. Of course, seems that at least 1/3 of > M3's sold are ragtops - majority to women too. So > go > figure. > > Scott > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] '95 M3 hard to start - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:55:57 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] '95 M3 hard to start Things I would check out if you haven't already: -spark plugs: are yours gap-able? If so, check the gap. -(as Jason said) - Idle Control Valve (ICV), this can be cleaned, and sometimes that can help with Idle. -No Check engine lights? If not, probably not (for sure) an O2 Sensor, so for now, I'd recommend skipping that -maybe just check to make sure that when you inserted the fuel rail/injectors into the head, that you got a good seal, that all of the injectors are properly capped when they went in, all seals are present, etc (don't think its this, but it's something I would eventually check) -pull the maf out (easy) and very carefulll with a q-tip and alcohol (not beer, heh), clean the sensor strip (these are brittle, very easy to break). -- Thanks, Ben
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#7. Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:23:49 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT At 02:37 PM 6/28/2007, Jason Knight wrote: >I've had trouble finding E46 M3 sales data, let alone a breakdown by >gender. Care to share your information source? I'd love to see the numbers. http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19#2 NA M3 coupe (LHD): 26,202 examples produced from 02/01 through 05/06 NA M3 convertible (LHD): 17,577 examples produced from 03/01 through 08/06 Production has gone E46 M3 > E36 M3 > E30 M3 It is pretty disingenuous for the M brand manager to compare absolute E36 M3 Sedan numbers to absolute E46 M3 numbers as the percentage of M3 sedans produced were close to 50% of all M3's made those two years. How stupid does he think we are? Rex
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#8. Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT - from Scott McClung
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT Wow - almost 40% ragtop. I had a sneaking suspicion my 33% swag was on the low side for ragtops, as hard as it is for me to understand why you would ruin a perfectly good M3 like that :-) Scott --- Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:23:49 -0700 > From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 2008 M3 Sedan / OT > > At 02:37 PM 6/28/2007, Jason Knight wrote: > >I've had trouble finding E46 M3 sales data, let > alone a breakdown by > >gender. Care to share your information source? I'd > love to see the numbers. > > http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=19#2 > > NA M3 coupe (LHD): 26,202 examples produced from > 02/01 through 05/06 > NA M3 convertible (LHD): 17,577 examples produced > from 03/01 through 08/06 > > Production has gone > > E46 M3 > E36 M3 > E30 M3 > > It is pretty disingenuous for the M brand manager to > compare absolute > E36 M3 Sedan numbers to absolute E46 M3 numbers as > the percentage of > M3 sedans produced were close to 50% of all M3's > made those two > years. How stupid does he think we are? > > Rex > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:43:30 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 At 02:17 PM 6/28/2007, Scott McClung wrote: >Boy - that 2 car solution saved you at least $60K over >an M5 touring!! The funny part is the M5 Touring would have been her daily driver and she would have paid for it. I would have gotten her S54 M Coupe for my daily driver. So, to me it was a "free" M Coupe. :-) Rex
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#10. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Mike VanAmburgh
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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:43:29 -0500 From: "Mike VanAmburgh" <mvanamburgh@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Ok, now you've done it. I've held back my distaste for the new 1-series until you had the nerve to compare the looks to the Mazda3 hatch. ;-) My wife and her Mazdaspeed3 would not approve of your comparison. Heheh. I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity is getting so much aesthetic praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I find it extremely butt ugly... sedan and hatch variations. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <cteague@cox.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:10:50 -0400 > From: <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > The current European 4 door (and 2 door) 1 series are both hatchbacks. > BMW NA is convinced Americans won't by hatchbacks because of the poor > sales of the 318ti. I'd much rather have the 5 door 1 series since it > looks nicer, and is more practical. It basically is a wagon (looks very > similar to the Mazda 3 5 door). But we get this special "coupe" with a > small trunk. Europe get's that also starting in November this year. They > get them all, we get the coupe and convertible. Rats. ;-) > > I'm still thinking of getting the 135i Coupe anyway.... > > Chris > 97 4-Door M3 > > > ---- Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> wrote: >> What about a 4-door?? >> >> I'd much rather have a 135i sedan than a 335i sedan. >> Not just based on size or weight. The looks of the >> 135i coupe are stunning! It may be the first Bangle >> car I love. >> >> Interestingly, I bet the size of a 135i sedan would be >> very close to the size of an e36 M3 sedan. >> >> But everything I've read indicates that the only 1 >> series cars to come here will be the coupe and cabrio. >> Why is that? Would a 135i sedan kill sales of the 335i >> sedan? > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >