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#1. RE: [E36M3] 135 Cont'd - from Jim Powell
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:40:50 -0700 From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 Cont'd If its 6/2 pistons, it pretty much has to be fixed calipers. -----Original Message----- From: Gary [mailto:probikeguy@probikeusa.com] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:27 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 Cont'd Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:17:48 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 Cont'd I'll believe the brake upgrade when I see a car ;o) Gary Fixed piston stoptechs..
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#2. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Scott M
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:09:53 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Sure, the E92 coupe is a better looking design. But I will gladly give up some looks for the smaller size, better handling, superior brakes, and 300-400lb weight savings. Kinda like I would rather date the chick with the average looking face but hot body that is an animal in bed vs. the hot model looking gal with a pleasing but plumper body who just lays there :-) :-) Not to mention the 1 series, like the average looking gal - is cheaper and less high maintenance :-) Always works that way. haha Scott On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Raza Uddin wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:24 -0700 > From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > On 6/28/07, Mike VanAmburgh <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: > > > >> I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity is getting so much >> aesthetic >> praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I find it extremely butt >> ugly... >> sedan and hatch variations. > > > > You are not the only one. I'm not moved at all by the 1 series and > its > intentionally petite proportions look very odd to me. I'd much > rather spend > the extra money and get a E92 or E90 335i and have something that > actually > looks nice. > > Drive Safely, > [flame suit]Raza[/flame suit] > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#3. RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:31:45 -0800 From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Dang... I think this is one sweet looking little car. A little boxy for sure, but that belies the rather beefy engine stuffed under the hood. First thing from BMW since my E36 that even warmed my blood, and the first one to make it as desktop wallpaper in awhile. I suppose if money were no object, I'd opt for the new M3. But money is anything except for nothing to me. The thought of getting such a car for less than I paid for my M3/4 new is very appealing. Matthew (AK) '98 M3/4 150K On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Raza Uddin wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:24 -0700 > From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > On 6/28/07, Mike VanAmburgh <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: > > > >> I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity is getting so much >> aesthetic praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I find it >> extremely butt ugly... >> sedan and hatch variations.
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#4. RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:24:02 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Is that a Fastrack update? My 2007 book says nothing about twin turbos in STU, and specifically allows the Audi S4 with it's 2.7L twin turbo, and the Toyota Supra. STX does mention only one turbo or SC. I can see how if you read the STX limits (with the one turbo or SC limit) and then read that STU raises the displacement limit to 3.1L FI, you might think that 2 turbos are out, but I don't think that's the intent. I could be wrong. -Paul -----Original Message----- From: cteague@cox.net [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:42 AM To: Paul Andrews; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Paul, FI is legal, as you note, but twin turbos are not. A single turbo is. There is really no need for the rule restricting STU to a single turbo when there is a list of cars that aren't allowed, IMHO. So I'm going to write my letter, since currently even the 335i technically isn't legal for STU. Chris ---- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:31:15 -0400 > From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > FI is legal in STU up to 3.1L. > > > -Paul <----having evil thoughts. Of buying an Evo. :-(
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#5. RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:43:35 -0400 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Paul, Nope. 14.12 section 3 from STX says "single turbo or supercharger" 14.13 says: "STU follows the STX rule set, but raises the displacement limit for otherwise STX-legal vehicles to 3.1 liters for forced induction and to unlimited dsplacement for natural aspiration." So 14.13 for STU does NOT remove the single turbo limit, and it does impose all other STX rules. I do agree, and so do others, that this was not the intent. But it is what is written. Also, both the Supra and Audi S4 are available in versions without twin turbos. I do think the intent WAS to allow the TT versions of these cars. It's just not what got written down. I've checked with the SEB on this. I do think this is a mistake, which is why we all need to submit letters to seb@scca.com If you get a different clarification from them, let me know. Chris ---- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Is that a Fastrack update? My 2007 book says nothing about twin turbos in > STU, and specifically allows the Audi S4 with it's 2.7L twin turbo, and the > Toyota Supra. STX does mention only one turbo or SC. I can see how if you > read the STX limits (with the one turbo or SC limit) and then read that STU > raises the displacement limit to 3.1L FI, you might think that 2 turbos are > out, but I don't think that's the intent. > > I could be wrong. > > -Paul
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#6. RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:44:34 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Idiotic. There are/have been a couple B5 S4s running in STU in Philly region. I'm not gonna tell them they're not legal, technically. -Paul -----Original Message----- From: cteague@cox.net [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:44 PM To: Paul Andrews; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Paul, Nope. 14.12 section 3 from STX says "single turbo or supercharger" 14.13 says: "STU follows the STX rule set, but raises the displacement limit for otherwise STX-legal vehicles to 3.1 liters for forced induction and to unlimited dsplacement for natural aspiration." So 14.13 for STU does NOT remove the single turbo limit, and it does impose all other STX rules. I do agree, and so do others, that this was not the intent. But it is what is written. Also, both the Supra and Audi S4 are available in versions without twin turbos. I do think the intent WAS to allow the TT versions of these cars. It's just not what got written down. I've checked with the SEB on this. I do think this is a mistake, which is why we all need to submit letters to seb@scca.com If you get a different clarification from them, let me know. Chris ---- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Is that a Fastrack update? My 2007 book says nothing about twin turbos in > STU, and specifically allows the Audi S4 with it's 2.7L twin turbo, and the > Toyota Supra. STX does mention only one turbo or SC. I can see how if you > read the STX limits (with the one turbo or SC limit) and then read that STU > raises the displacement limit to 3.1L FI, you might think that 2 turbos are > out, but I don't think that's the intent. > > I could be wrong. > > -Paul
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#7. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:33:28 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 I'd rather date the girl who actually has some personality and a good head about her. Good looks just ice the cake when this is the case. In the case of my car, it's got all 3 of those traits! :) Brian build 8/95 On 6/29/07, Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:09:53 -0700 > From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > Sure, the E92 coupe is a better looking design. But I will gladly > give up some looks for the smaller size, better handling, superior > brakes, and 300-400lb weight savings. Kinda like I would rather date > the chick with the average looking face but hot body that is an > animal in bed vs. the hot model looking gal with a pleasing but > plumper body who just lays there :-) :-) > > Not to mention the 1 series, like the average looking gal - is > cheaper and less high maintenance :-) Always works that way. haha > > Scott > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Raza Uddin wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:24 -0700 > > From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > > > On 6/28/07, Mike VanAmburgh <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity is getting so much > >> aesthetic > >> praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I find it extremely butt > >> ugly... > >> sedan and hatch variations. > > > > > > > > You are not the only one. I'm not moved at all by the 1 series and > > its > > intentionally petite proportions look very odd to me. I'd much > > rather spend > > the extra money and get a E92 or E90 335i and have something that > > actually > > looks nice. > > > > Drive Safely, > > [flame suit]Raza[/flame suit] > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Gary
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:52:15 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Well.. Like the old saying goes..They all look the same with the lights out ;o) Its how they perform.... Personally i like to look, so I would have to have a nice looker....You can always take it for a test ride to see if its up to speed... I kinda dig the 1's looks.. It may be one of those cars that in person it looks much better than pictures. Or like the old M coupe..Love or Hate... Me I'll be sticking with my E36M3 and E30M3's....regardless of any of the above! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:33:28 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > I'd rather date the girl who actually has some personality and a good head > about her. Good looks just ice the cake when this is the case. In the > case > of my car, it's got all 3 of those traits! :) > > Brian > build 8/95 > > > > On 6/29/07, Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:09:53 -0700 >> From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 >> >> Sure, the E92 coupe is a better looking design. But I will gladly >> give up some looks for the smaller size, better handling, superior >> brakes, and 300-400lb weight savings. Kinda like I would rather date >> the chick with the average looking face but hot body that is an >> animal in bed vs. the hot model looking gal with a pleasing but >> plumper body who just lays there :-) :-) >> >> Not to mention the 1 series, like the average looking gal - is >> cheaper and less high maintenance :-) Always works that way. haha >> >> Scott >> >> On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Raza Uddin wrote: >> >> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:24 -0700 >> > From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 >> > >> > On 6/28/07, Mike VanAmburgh <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity is getting so much >> >> aesthetic >> >> praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I find it extremely butt >> >> ugly... >> >> sedan and hatch variations. >> > >> > >> > >> > You are not the only one. I'm not moved at all by the 1 series and >> > its >> > intentionally petite proportions look very odd to me. I'd much >> > rather spend >> > the extra money and get a E92 or E90 335i and have something that >> > actually >> > looks nice. >> > >> > Drive Safely, >> > [flame suit]Raza[/flame suit] >> > >> > >> > ************************************************* >> > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> > >> > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> > >> > DIGEST INFORMATION: >> > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> > ************************************************* >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from David Thomas
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:55:41 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 The only thing about the 135 that appeals to me is the fact that it may drive down E46 M3 prices enough so I can purchase one of them in '09 at a decent price ;-) Dave T.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 - from Scott McClung
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 Brian - I am with you. I like dating the girl that gives good head too. Scott --- Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:33:28 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > I'd rather date the girl who actually has some > personality and a good head > about her. Good looks just ice the cake when this > is the case. In the case > of my car, it's got all 3 of those traits! :) > > Brian > build 8/95 > > > > On 6/29/07, Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:09:53 -0700 > > From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > > > Sure, the E92 coupe is a better looking design. > But I will gladly > > give up some looks for the smaller size, better > handling, superior > > brakes, and 300-400lb weight savings. Kinda like > I would rather date > > the chick with the average looking face but hot > body that is an > > animal in bed vs. the hot model looking gal with a > pleasing but > > plumper body who just lays there :-) :-) > > > > Not to mention the 1 series, like the average > looking gal - is > > cheaper and less high maintenance :-) Always > works that way. haha > > > > Scott > > > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Raza Uddin wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:24 -0700 > > > From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 135 confirmed for '09 > > > > > > On 6/28/07, Mike VanAmburgh > <mvanamburgh@charter.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> I can't believe this new 1-series monstrosity > is getting so much > > >> aesthetic > > >> praise. Maybe I need eye surgery again but I > find it extremely butt > > >> ugly... > > >> sedan and hatch variations. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not the only one. I'm not moved at all > by the 1 series and > > > its > > > intentionally petite proportions look very odd > to me. I'd much > > > rather spend > > > the extra money and get a E92 or E90 335i and > have something that > > > actually > > > looks nice. > > > > > > Drive Safely, > > > [flame suit]Raza[/flame suit] > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting > our sponsors: > > > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > > Turner Motorsport > http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > > Rogue Engineering > http://www.rogueengineering.com > > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >