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#1. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:59:21 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift > So, how's the installation for a moderate DIY'er? Time is the only skill I have plenty of. It took me 4 months to change the timing belt on my track miata. :) > Well, I've done 3 of them on an E46 330i, E39 M5 and E36 M3. It took less than an hour on each, the only real PITA thing is getting the "bitch clip" off. Make sure you have a spare, I have broken two out of the three I've removed. It's BMW P/N 25111221849 or number 3 "Bearing Bolt", see: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BF93&mospid=47486&btnr=25_0013&hg=25&fg=05 > Is there a time/cost benefit to doing the clutch and the shift kit at the same time? I'm afraid the clutch R&R is beyond my wrench monkeying skills and then I'd just have to pay the shop to do both. > Absolutely not. You have to remove a whole bunch more stuff to get the tranny out and replace the clutch. If all you need to do is the SSK, you can do it entriely without even removing the exhaust. It is definately easier to do the SSK with the exhaust and driveshaft out of the car, but it isn't worth removing them to do it. Regards Jamie
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:21:48 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift I just put one of these into my fiancee's daily driver, a 95 M3. I use a UUC evo3 + DSSR on my track car. I absolutely love the Rogue kit, it's amazingly smooth!!!. Make sure you get/use the Delrin bushings for it (if it is an option). Also note that my kit for E36 M3 Included those delrin (white) bushings, as well as a new 'bitch' clip (very nice). Also, be sure to Source a new rear shifter bushing or to tell the shop doing it for you to also replace this bushing, #4 in this picture: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG93&mospid=47488&btnr=25_0013&hg=25&fg=05&hl=68 As for labor, if you're already paying a shopt for the R&R for the clutch, the labor addon for a short shift kit should be less than an hour. The hardest part about doing the Short shift kit installation, was the clip that holds the front of the linkage and attaches to the top of the transmission, because getting it to 1) release for removal of the stock shifter and 2) close for installation of the new shifter can be a royal pita. However, if the bell housing is being dropped (Clutch job), this should GREATLY reduce the workload to get the short shift kit installed (ease of installation). Let me know if I can be of further help. -Ben in San Jose, CA
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Richard Harden
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:23:20 -0400 From: "Richard Harden" <roguem3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift FWIW, Rogue supplies a replacement "bitch clip" with their SSKs. Feel free to break/mangle your OEM "bitch clip" while removing it. -Richard On 7/2/07, Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:59:21 -0500 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift > > > So, how's the installation for a moderate DIY'er? Time is the only > skill I have plenty of. It took me 4 months to change the timing belt on my > track miata. :) > > > > Well, I've done 3 of them on an E46 330i, E39 M5 and E36 M3. It took > less than an hour on each, the only real PITA thing is getting the > "bitch clip" off. Make sure you have a spare, I have broken two out > of the three I've removed. > > It's BMW P/N 25111221849 or number 3 "Bearing Bolt", see: > > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BF93&mospid=47486&btnr=25_0013&hg=25&fg=05 > > > Is there a time/cost benefit to doing the clutch and the shift kit at > the same time? I'm afraid the clutch R&R is beyond my wrench monkeying > skills and then I'd just have to pay the shop to do both. > > > > Absolutely not. You have to remove a whole bunch more stuff to get > the tranny out and replace the clutch. If all you need to do is the > SSK, you can do it entriely without even removing the exhaust. It is > definately easier to do the SSK with the exhaust and driveshaft out of > the car, but it isn't worth removing them to do it. > > Regards > > Jamie > > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift Jonathan, The job itself is pretty simple, but there's nothing easy about it. Unless you have really long, skinny, strong fingers. It's cramped quarters up in there, and your best bet at all is to unbolt the transmission brace from the chassis and just let it hang. There is one clip - Ron Stygar has dubbed it "the bitch of a clip" for a REASON - that is almost impossible to get the first time you try it, other than that, most of the stuff goes apart/together quite nicely. good luck -jeff *multiple SSKs.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 6:38:18 AM Subject: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:30:08 -0400 From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: Rogue Short Shift Okay, about once a year for the past seven years I ping the list about the Rogue Engineering short shift kit. I may actually bite the bullet on this one now. I've been waiting for the clutch to implode and it's still holding on after 135k miles. The shifter feels like a wooden spoon in a bowl of Jello. So, how's the installation for a moderate DIY'er? Time is the only skill I have plenty of. It took me 4 months to change the timing belt on my track miata. :) Is there a time/cost benefit to doing the clutch and the shift kit at the same time? I'm afraid the clutch R&R is beyond my wrench monkeying skills and then I'd just have to pay the shop to do both. reference: http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RE&Category_Code=SSK (is there a list discount?) PS: I will buy a hatchback 1 series with any engine they drop in there. Thanks,Jonathan '95 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:43:30 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift On 7/2/07, Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> wrote: >There is one clip - Ron Stygar has dubbed it "the bitch of a clip" for a REASON - >that is almost impossible to get the first time you try it, other than that, most of >the stuff goes apart/together quite nicely. Small nitpick but I'm pretty sure it was Ben Liaw who dubbed the "bolt bearing" thingie the bitch of a clip or BOAC. Back when we called the short shifters the BL/SS (Ben Liaw Short Shifter) 'round '97 or so which consisted of an M Roadster shift lever with a compound bend in it, Ben would actually fly all over the country to have Shifter Fest parties (yes we we're a bunch of weirdos back then). I took part in Seattle Shifter Fest I but a kid messed up getting Ben there so it was a Ben-less event. Usually hosted at a shop with a hoist, you could get your BL/SS installed for free along with a Red Line fluid change on both your trans and diff (you provided the fluids). Not long after that Ben and Rob Levinson formed UUC Motorwerks and the rest is history, and no don't get into why there are two companies now. Ah the old days... Carlos 98 M3 with a UUC shifter that I don't especially like, probably will replace it with a B&M race one
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#6. Shock options - from L R
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> Subject: Shock options KC, I have Bilstein sports w/stock springs on my '95 M3 & I think that it's the perfect setup for a mostly street-driven M3. It rides a lot better than when I had H&R sport springs. Luis Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:53:52 -0400 From: "KC Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: Shock options All, It's about time for new shocks on the crew cab. However, I'm very torn. I've taken pains (and spent some money) to make sure that the M3 stays original - all replacement/maintenance parts to date have been Original BMW w/ receipts to back it up. However, pricing out a set of Original BMW shocks comes to around $850. For $200 less, I could get a full set of Bilsteins from TMS. I had a good experience with Bilsteins on my E30, and like their lifetime warranty & extended performance vs. having to replace OE shocks again in 80k miles. I've read varying opinions about Bilsteins for the M3 - everything from similar to stock to just a bit firmer to harsh. Obviously, everyone has their own preferences, but I'd appreciate any insight the group may have on my choices. Also, am I being silly in insisting on OE BMW Parts? I feel like BMW really got the E36 M3 right from the factory.not much room for improvement (at least as an all-around car serving primarily as a daily driver!), and have wanted to keep the stock "feel". KC Boyce '97 M3/4 --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:37:34 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift Additionally, if the final goal is clean up shifter sloppiness, and to also have a higher liklihood of hitting the gear you intend to hit when you intend to hit it, consider moving to an aftermarket Transmission mount at this time (mount or brace). There are quite a few options available on the market with varying degrees of additional vibration/firmness. For track use, I use the JT-Designs Tranny Brace, which to me, is by far the best solution on the market. You just have to be sure you can put up with additional vibration: http://jtdesigns.stores.yahoo.net/higpertranbr.html As you can see, laterally, the new brace completely limits the lateral movement of the rear of the engine/transmission. It does have bushings underneath those medal caps as well. Here's a comparison photo from stock setup to JTD when I originally did my installation: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/523837699_434c8abe77_o.jpg -Ben
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift - from KC Boyce
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:53:36 -0400 From: "KC Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Rogue Short Shift > Usually hosted at a shop with a hoist, you could > get your BL/SS installed for free along with a Red > Line fluid change on both your trans and diff (you > provided the fluids). Wow...that brings back some memories. Thanks, Carlos! KC
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#9. Parts for sale - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:11:56 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: Parts for sale Got the following for sale, all items are plus shipping from 48116: 1. JTD trans brace, new, never used or installed, still in the packaging. $300 new, $275 firm. 2. RRT backing plates for big brake kits, new, never installed or used, $275. 3. Set of stock calipers (F/R), great shape, removed from a street car, don't recall mileage, includes all carrier brackets, $350/set. 4. Sparco hub adaptor for aftermarket steering wheels, 6 bolt pattern, brand new, never used/installed, $70. Cheers. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com
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#10. Re: Rogue Short Shift - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:34:33 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Rogue Short Shift on 7/2/07 9:48 AM, Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> wrote: > Is there a time/cost benefit to doing the clutch and the shift kit at the same > time? Yes, two of them, although neither need be a determining factor. The first is that since the shift mechanism has to be disconnected for a clutch job/transmission removal it's very easy to install the SSK at the same time. The other is that the shift joint on top of the transmission - that's group #12 here <http://tinyurl.com/le3pl> - is one of the major items contributing to excess shifter play, and this too is easy to fix with the transmission off, not so much with it in place. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD