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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from David Thomas
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:50:03 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number On Monday 09 July 2007 9:38:18 am Burgess, Kim L wrote: > As it turns out the new superseding parts have no flange that fays with > the RTA. And yes, they have changed twice. > I have yet to install the flange-less part, but eventually will I guess. > I've had two people show up with the non-flange types at RTAB sessions > and I have turned them away not knowing about the suppression. Those are the standard E36 RTAB's....BMW NA just got lazy and decided not to stock the proper bushings due to low demand. Its a BS move in my book, the 'new' ones are in no way a real replacement for the originals. Yea, they work, but they are also soft and sloppy when compared to the originals. Dave
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Best spark plugs for 1998 stock m3 - from David Thomas
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:06:51 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best spark plugs for 1998 stock m3 On Monday 09 July 2007 10:28:18 am Jim Bassett wrote: > (Some have found that the comparable NGK plugs work better than the Bosch, > in terms of idle smoothness, etc. I've read that on-line as well as > feedback from one of my local mechanics. Seems to be no rhyme or reason as > to which cars work well with which plugs. Additionally, I've been advised > to switch to appropriate the NGK plugs in the race car - <shrug>.) My car is one of the ones that hates the OE Bosch plugs. Runs like sh** with them...idles like its missing on 1/2 of the cylinders. With NGK's it runs like a champ. Never seen any engine be so picky about plugs. Dave
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#3. Brake Travel Sensor - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:26:07 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Brake Travel Sensor Hi, I replaced my travel sensor over the weekend and here are some observations. 1. I have big hands and it can be done without removing any hoses. 2. You need a dental pick with a 90 or 40 deg. bend. 3. Slide the tip of the dental pick around the clip until you reach the opening in the clip. 4. Once you reach the gap in the clip pull in the opposite direction. 5. The clip will lift and you can remove the sensor. Did anyone ever notice that there is a dot on the brake booster that apparently corresponds to the color of the cap you should use?? Green cap/ green dot????? Finally as an EE I find it obscene that BMW charges $180 dollars for a part that has a bill of materials and manufacturing cost less than about $20 at the high end. The sensor has a cheap PCB with a handful of surface mount resistors and a wiper to make contact. It appears that the wiper goes bad. Kent
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Valve Service - from Marc Plante
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:30:20 -0400 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Well...as long as you have everything apart, you may as well drop in a set of *CAMS.* The injectors should be relatively easy to do if you're that far into the engine. It'll put you in a different class, but if you can live with that, then, what the hell... 8^ D
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#5. M3 love day--with superseded RTABs!! - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:39:10 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: M3 love day--with superseded RTABs!! Hi guys, Pat Goss, Mark Duckworth and myself just finished up a day installing RTABs on Pat and Mark's cars. I did my bushings last month. I replaced the stock pieces with Powerflex urethane bushings. I bought the puller tool from BimmerWorld at the same time. That is a great little tool. It makes pulling the old bushing quite painless. The poly bushings slide right into place with no effort, and with the amount of grease I used, I haven't heard a peep out of them. And they keep my tires from rubbing the body on the autocross course.. Pat also got poly bushings, but Mark bought the stock bits. He also got the superseded part #. They do seem pretty soft. The install was a little tricky because the outside diameter of the new part is several mm bigger than the old part. The old one had a continuous band of metal around the outside, and the new one is 2 halves bonded to the rubber, so it can squish. We had to have one person compress the bushings while another got it started with the puller/installation tool. I took us quite a bit longer to do the stock bushings than the poly, obviously. While not flying thru the install, we did both cars start to finish in about 5 hours. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU
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#6. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from Mark D
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:57:57 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 RTAB Part Number On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 08:38 -0500, david kroth wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:28:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> > Subject: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number > > > > Realoem shows 33326770817 for my 98 sedan. > > Dealer orders 33326770817; that's what the receipt > says - that's what the parts bag says. > > The actual part is labeled 33326757885. The design > is slightly different than what I'm familiar with. > Realoem takes this back to the Z4. Dealer says 885 > has superseded 817. > > Anyone have any recent experience with E36 RTABS? > Has there indeed been a change? I don't want to pull > the car apart only to find there is a problem. I just put the new revision ones in today (thanks Paul and Patrick!) but after comparing the installation of the new OEM ones vs. the powerflex ones, I'd probably recommend those. The difference between the old and new is that the new one has a 2 piece surround that you have to kind of squish together upon installation. It really wasn't that big of a deal but the powerflex ones of course go in easier. The new ones also don't have the flange so they don't go in flush but instead you have to center them in the trailing arm. All in all they looked and fit the same as the original design but the new one does indeed look a little better. Thanks, Mark
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval - from Mark D
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:06:14 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 12:18 -0500, Lawrence Barbieri wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:51 -0400 > From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> > Subject: Valve Service Interval > > Hello everyone, > > I'm in the process of doing a head gasket on my '95 with 130K miles on it. > I'm just polling the group here to see: > > a) what experiences people have had with sending their head out to a machine > shop, i.e. what parts did they replace, what was the cost, etc. > > b) is there a service interval for the valves? The guy at the machine shop > seemed to think with that mileage there would be some valve guides that need > to be replaced > > Just so you know, I have a pre 10/95 build date (2/95) so I want to have the > valve retainers replaced at a minimum. What about lifters, springs, etc.? > Anything I should be aware of there? I have a 10/96 with S52 and at 181,000 miles during the head gasket job I sent the head out. The valves were all straight and in great shape and needed a minor grind and the head needed a very tiny amount of decking. Other than that a good cleaning, seals, retainers, etc... usual parts. Paid $900. If you money shift it will be a different story with the added cost of replacing the exhaust valves and possible cam damage. I think as far as service interval, every head gasket would be fine. Thanks, Mark
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from Mark D
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:08:11 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 12:58 -0500, David Thomas wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:50:03 -0700 > From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number > > On Monday 09 July 2007 9:38:18 am Burgess, Kim L wrote: > > As it turns out the new superseding parts have no flange that fays with > > the RTA. And yes, they have changed twice. > > I have yet to install the flange-less part, but eventually will I guess. > > I've had two people show up with the non-flange types at RTAB sessions > > and I have turned them away not knowing about the suppression. > > Those are the standard E36 RTAB's....BMW NA just got lazy and decided not to > stock the proper bushings due to low demand. Its a BS move in my book, > the 'new' ones are in no way a real replacement for the originals. Yea, they > work, but they are also soft and sloppy when compared to the originals. They did seem particularly squishy but compared to what I had in there, they're a step up :-P If I had known they are regular E36 RTAB's I would have went ahead and found the flanged ones or used powerflex. Mark
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval - from David Ngo
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval When Chester, Wayne, and I replaced the head gasket on my car, we also replaced all of the valve springs, lifters, retainers, and valve seals. The retainers were noticeably deformed at 80k miles, no overrevs, so it was good preventative maintenance to replace them. The new lifters were much quieter than my old ones. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Lawrence Barbieri <larry@logicalconclusions.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 1:18:23 PM Subject: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:51 -0400 From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> Subject: Valve Service Interval Hello everyone, I'm in the process of doing a head gasket on my '95 with 130K miles on it. I'm just polling the group here to see: a) what experiences people have had with sending their head out to a machine shop, i.e. what parts did they replace, what was the cost, etc. b) is there a service interval for the valves? The guy at the machine shop seemed to think with that mileage there would be some valve guides that need to be replaced Just so you know, I have a pre 10/95 build date (2/95) so I want to have the valve retainers replaced at a minimum. What about lifters, springs, etc.? Anything I should be aware of there? Thanks, - Larry ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. E90 M3 drive test: - from L R
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> Subject: E90 M3 drive test: E90 M3 drive test: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070706/FREE/70706014/1009 Luis --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.