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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 RTAB Part Number Id also recommend the powerflex based on ease of installation alone. I noticed the stiffer action but my RTAB's were so wasted who knows how it compared to a new stock unit. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:58:18 -0500 >From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> It really wasn't that big of a deal >but the powerflex ones of course go in easier. > >Thanks, >Mark >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:30:08 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval I'd look at it this way. If you don't plan on pulling the head again anytime soon, and you plan on keeping the car, replace the following: retainers: a must lifters: They're probably noisy, this will help quiet them down springs: a must As for the valves: Do a leakdown test to figure out if your valves are sealing, if they're sealing (no/low leakage), and the motor hasn't been 'zinged' (over-rev'd), they shouldn't need to be replaced. On 7/9/07, David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval > > When Chester, Wayne, and I replaced the head gasket on my car, we also > replaced all of the valve springs, lifters, retainers, and valve seals. The > retainers were noticeably deformed at 80k miles, no overrevs, so it was good > preventative maintenance to replace them. The new lifters were much quieter > than my old ones. > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Lawrence Barbieri <larry@logicalconclusions.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 1:18:23 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Valve Service Interval > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:51 -0400 > From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> > Subject: Valve Service Interval > > Hello everyone, > > I'm in the process of doing a head gasket on my '95 with 130K miles on it. > I'm just polling the group here to see: > > a) what experiences people have had with sending their head out to a > machine > shop, i.e. what parts did they replace, what was the cost, etc. > > b) is there a service interval for the valves? The guy at the machine > shop > seemed to think with that mileage there would be some valve guides that > need > to be replaced > > Just so you know, I have a pre 10/95 build date (2/95) so I want to have > the > valve retainers replaced at a minimum. What about lifters, springs, etc.? > Anything I should be aware of there? > > Thanks, > - Larry > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#3. replacing intake manifold? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:50:12 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: replacing intake manifold? Hey guys, So I'm thinking about replacing my intake manifold with an M50 one -- not only for the performance gains, but because I need to get in there to replace some sensors and hoses, why not just upgrade the whole thing (gaskets) and all in one shot? :-) Anywho, does anyone have any experience with these guys and/or this kit? http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm Seems like an excellent deal right now being on sale and from what I can tell, all seems legit and good. But would like to have some more eyes confirm this first :-) ted '97 Estoril M3/4
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#4. RTABS - change sooner rather than later - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:23:11 -0800 From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RTABS - change sooner rather than later I finally got around to replacing my RTABs last weekend with the PowerFlex bushings. I fabricated a puller like the one sold at Bimmer World to pull the old bushings. I had difficulty finding a high grade bolt with a full body thread for my puller, so I ended up using a lower grade bolt. I had extreme difficulty extracting the old bushings... to the point where I was stripping the threads off the bolt with the torque delivered from my impact wrench. I took a step backward and resorted to the caveman approach, where I drilled through the rubber bushings several times with a 1/4 inch drill. This worked, allowing the rubber to give enough to relieve pressure from the stock bushing's outer shell, and the puller successfully extracted the bushing. But what I found was a real eye opener.. some of the bushing's shell stayed in the trailing arm. The galvanic corrosion was so severe, that the metal (aluminum?) had turned to a white mineral like deposit (aluminum oxide?). The shells on both sides just self destructed on the way out. I then had to scrape away the remaining deposits and clean things up with a 3M pad before installing the PowerFlex bushings. My car has 150K on it. So, if you have a high mileage car, you should probably not wait like I did for the bushings to fail before you change them. :) - Matthew (AK)
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#5. Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:30:31 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? The Eurosport kit seems to be the most common conversion kit to use. On 7/9/07, Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:50:12 -0400 > From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> > Subject: replacing intake manifold? > > Hey guys, > > So I'm thinking about replacing my intake manifold with an M50 one -- > not only for the performance gains, but because I need to get in > there to replace some sensors and hoses, why not just upgrade the > whole thing (gaskets) and all in one shot? :-) > > Anywho, does anyone have any experience with these guys and/or this kit? > > http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ > ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm > > Seems like an excellent deal right now being on sale and from what I > can tell, all seems legit and good. But would like to have some more > eyes confirm this first :-) > > ted '97 Estoril M3/4 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#6. RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:12:36 +0200 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number You might not beleive it, but I had the same story happened here in Germany. The bushings came from Z4. They are big improvement on my old worn ones but I don't know what to compare new ones to. so I am extremely happy with them. Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:08:11 -0400 > From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number > > On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 12:58 -0500, David Thomas wrote: >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:50:03 -0700 >> From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number >> >> On Monday 09 July 2007 9:38:18 am Burgess, Kim L wrote: >> > As it turns out the new superseding parts have no flange that fays with >> > the RTA. And yes, they have changed twice. >> > I have yet to install the flange-less part, but eventually will I >> > guess. >> > I've had two people show up with the non-flange types at RTAB sessions >> > and I have turned them away not knowing about the suppression. >> >> Those are the standard E36 RTAB's....BMW NA just got lazy and decided not >> to >> stock the proper bushings due to low demand. Its a BS move in my book, >> the 'new' ones are in no way a real replacement for the originals. Yea, >> they >> work, but they are also soft and sloppy when compared to the originals. > > They did seem particularly squishy but compared to what I had in there, > they're a step up :-P If I had known they are regular E36 RTAB's I > would have went ahead and found the flanged ones or used powerflex. > > Mark > > > >
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#7. RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:27:02 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Ted: Also check the archives. I posted a similar question not long ago and got some good feedback. Haven't had a chance to do the conversion yet, but generally the consensus seemed to be that Eurosport had the best (but costly) kit in terms of overall quality of fit, etc. The last time I checked Eurosport did not have manifolds in stock, just the adapter kit, etc. Active Autowerke, where I got my supercharger had recommended KO Performance that you mention below. Please let us know how you make out as I need to be doing this soon myself. Regards, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Hirsch [mailto:benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:38 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:30:31 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? The Eurosport kit seems to be the most common conversion kit to use. On 7/9/07, Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:50:12 -0400 > From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> > Subject: replacing intake manifold? > > Hey guys, > > So I'm thinking about replacing my intake manifold with an M50 one -- > not only for the performance gains, but because I need to get in > there to replace some sensors and hoses, why not just upgrade the > whole thing (gaskets) and all in one shot? :-) > > Anywho, does anyone have any experience with these guys and/or this kit? > > http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ > ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm > > Seems like an excellent deal right now being on sale and from what I > can tell, all seems legit and good. But would like to have some more > eyes confirm this first :-) > > ted '97 Estoril M3/4 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number - from david kroth
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: E36 M3 RTAB Part Number Mark wrote: > The difference > between the old and > new is that the new one has a 2 piece surround that > you have to kind of > squish together upon installation. I did the install last evening too. I didn't even bother to try to compress the first bushing - just assembled the VPD tool and started cranking. There's a taper on the outside of the control arm that guided the bushing right into place, compressing the two halves along the way. On the second side I used a C-clamp to compress the bushing before installation. It made assembling the tool and getting it started a little easier. David Kroth david_kroth@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
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#9. Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:05:47 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Not totally sure, but I think the M50 manfold itself can be found in junkyards off?a e28 535 series car?? Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 9:28 am Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:27:02 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Ted: Also check the archives. I posted a similar question not long ago and got some good feedback. Haven't had a chance to do the conversion yet, but generally the consensus seemed to be that Eurosport had the best (but costly) kit in terms of overall quality of fit, etc. The last time I checked Eurosport did not have manifolds in stock, just the adapter kit, etc. Active Autowerke, where I got my supercharger had recommended KO Performance that you mention below. Please let us know how you make out as I need to be doing this soon myself. Regards, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from marty
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:57:00 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? The M50 intake manifold can be found off of E34 and E36 OBDI M50 motors (maybe 92 or earlier - 95 525i and 92-95 325i), as well as S50 from '95 M3. There are two versions i think - earlier (pre-M50TU VANOS?) is a bit different than the later ones but supposedly they all work - although I think the later ones are more desirable for some reason I can't recall. That's off the top of my head - could do a bit of research and find the exact range of donor M50 cars. Most junkyards seem to know that the M50 manifolds are in some demand as a performance upgrade and charge a premium over what you'd think a dusty 12+ years old plastic intake manifold should cost. Most of the ones I saw sold for about $200 and even more. You can find them on ebay too. I got one on ebay from an S50 for about $105 which seemed relatively reasonable. I used the Eurosport adapter kit for mine earlier this year. It is a bit pricey but all-inclusive and a clean install. marty '96 M3 with S50 intake manifold and Eurosport adapter '95 540i-6 with BMW M60 intake manifold mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:05:47 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? > > Not totally sure, but I think the M50 manfold itself can be found in junkyards off?a e28 535 series car?? > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering >