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#1. RTABs for sale - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:09:49 -0400 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: RTABs for sale Hey guys, I got what appear to be the original flanged RTAB's from autohaus AZ but they were scheduled to arrive after our RTAB party so I had to go get them from the stealer. Paid $35 for them if anyone wants them plus real shipping cost (probably a couple bucks). They appear to be OEM (appear to have BMW sticker under the autohaus sticker) but I'm not 100% sure. If no one wants them, I'll just look into returning them to autohaus. Thanks, Mark
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#2. Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... - from marty
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:37:18 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... The two speed aux fan switch in the radiator is supposed to go to between it's three states (off/low/high) at preset temps even if A/C isn't running. Fan will come on at low speed when A/C is in use regardless of temp. The stock low/high switch temps are 91/99C and the lower temp switch values are 80/88C. I have the lower temp range switch now and the fan will run w/o A/C on if ignition switch is on and water temp is hot enough. I never saw the fan running with original switch (and A/C off) but it switches on 20 degrees F sooner now. Why does the aux fan automatically come on when A/C is turned on? Is the extra load of running the compressor enough to presume extra cooling will be necessary? I'm guessing part of the decision to do that is the presumption that it's already hot or you wouldn't need the A/C. I'm guessing the extra load on the engine is the answer because it sure saps a lot power and must be a significant load. marty Benjamin Hirsch wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:42:05 -0700 > From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... > > I can also confirm, the AUX fan is wired to come on everytime the AC is on. > I'm not sure about high temps triggering the AUX fan. I know in the OBD2 > E36 M3's, there is a 2 speed fan switch that the AUX fan is wired to > (low/high). I would suspect/guess the AUX fan should trigger under normal > working conditions if the temp goes above X (if your temp gauge was moving > above standard middle, it should be triggered by then, because that is very > hot) > > On 7/11/07, tim ng <s14realm3@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:46:32 -0400 >> From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> >> Subject: coolant temp., e-fan..... >> >> In the e36, does the e fan come on low speed when the a/c is on? ie: like >> the e30's >>
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Replacing Iintake Manifold? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:42 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Replacing Iintake Manifold? Indeed, the cams -- didn't think of that, doh! Thanks for the info! On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Burgess, Kim L wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:33:04 -0700 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: Replacing Iintake Manifold? > > While I have no personal experience to draw from, I've heard good > reports with regard to the Eurosport kit also. Again reported here and > local to my BMW Chapter, you will need to get cams to 'cover-up' the > 'hole' in the HP/Torque curve created by this manifold. I have seen > the > curves overlaid, for stock and with manifold mod, and there is a bunch > of 'area' missing with just the manifold mod. > > KLB > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:30:31 -0700 > From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? > > The Eurosport kit seems to be the most common conversion kit to use. > > On 7/9/07, Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:50:12 -0400 >> From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> >> Subject: replacing intake manifold? >> >> Hey guys, >> >> So I'm thinking about replacing my intake manifold with an M50 one -- >> not only for the performance gains, but because I need to get in >> there to replace some sensors and hoses, why not just upgrade the >> whole thing (gaskets) and all in one shot? :-) >> >> Anywho, does anyone have any experience with these guys and/or this > kit? >> >> http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ >> ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm >> >> Seems like an excellent deal right now being on sale and from what I >> can tell, all seems legit and good. But would like to have some more >> eyes confirm this first :-) >> >> ted '97 Estoril M3/4 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:46:42 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? Ya I'd be interested in a list as well :-) ted On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:28 AM, marty wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:23:23 -0400 > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? > > Steve, > > Bimmerworld has a coolant hose kit. I had that hose set and pieced > the remainder together from the ETK and part numbers off of some of > the parts removed where the ETK was incorrect (a couple of heater > valve to heater core hoses iirc). When I did the intake manifold I > replaced all of the hoses (coolant and vacuum) and gaskets. My > knock sensors looked fine so I didn't replace them. > > If you need a list I can send you mine. It's for a '96 but it > should be fairly close I hope (you won't need the secondary air > solenoid vacuum hoses, for example). > > marty > > Steve Klein wrote: >> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:20:56 -0500 >> From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> >> Subject: Re: Replacing Iintake Manifold? >> >> On a similar note, does anyone have a 'refresh' kit for the intake >> manifold on a '95 S50? >> >> >> I'm going to be replacing the head gasket in the near future and >> while I've got the intake and head off I want to replace whatever >> gaskets and hoses I can underneath there. >> >> Does either company (or another) have a kit for just that? Or do I >> have to get out the ETK and piece it together? >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:23 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? > I'm very happy with mine which is essentially the same as Marty's. > Junkyard M50 intake (~$100) + the Eurosport kit. I have a couple of > other things like no clutch driven fan and underdrive pulleys so that > *may* affect things a bit. If I get into stockish 95 M3s and drive > I'm always wondering where the power is. :-) > Thanks everyone for the awesome feedback, I love this listserv :-D As for the Eurosport Kit, everyone is referring to this one: http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/intakes.html correct? And the KO one which has the same price but is on sale right now: http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm Seems to be comparable kits and with the favorable recommendation from ActiveAutowerke for KO, I'm leaning towards that now :-) I do want to later add in the cams / software and related bits, but for now, since I need to get in there to replace some hoses and sensors, figured an extra $350 isn't too bad ;-) Any other thoughts before hitting the tempting "buy" button? I'll be sure to post a follow up to let everyone know how the process goes and general thoughts for sure. ted '97 Estoril M3/4
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#6. Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue On Wed, July 11, 2007 5:58 am, marty wrote: > So, what is the proper bleeding procedure? The Bentley manual isn't > much help here. It just says fill it with heater controls open, engine > not running, until bubbles stop and you're good to go. What I've done is a variation on this, taught to me by one of my mechanics (Ramon at Bavarian Motorsport in Milpitas, CA FWIW). - Disconnect hose at bottom of thermostat housing (mine were already, as I was replacing the gaskets on both cars) and hold open with a screwdriver or such; - Fill reservoir until fluid comes out of hose and re-connect; - With bleed screw removed, fill reservoir all the way to the top and until no more air bubbles emerge; - Start car, turn on heater full, and go drive car HARD (use high rpms) (plan accordingly - driving in 103F temps with heater on full can be a tad uncomfortable :-)); - Done :-) - Check fluid level for a day or two afterwards; at this point you can remove and fluid over the "Cold" line (or not). As mentioned, I performed this procedure on both cars about a week apart with complete success. The key seems to be getting the system full up to the thermo housing hose first. My previous attempts doing this following a more "traditional" approach were frustrating and unsatisfying :-) Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP
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#7. RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:24:39 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue WOW, all this talk about bleed procedure and different techniques what's next, do you have to cuddle the car and speak soft german in the exhaust tips? Seriously, the Bentley manual procedure worked for me the first time. This was when I was on the stock radiator, with no other defects (thermo/pump) or leaks anywhere, so maybe having a healthy system helped. Switching to the Zionsville with spal fan made it a whole lot easier since the overflow is vented to air/self bleeds. No problem except cost of the really purty radiator work of art. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue On Wed, July 11, 2007 5:58 am, marty wrote: > So, what is the proper bleeding procedure? The Bentley manual isn't > much help here. It just says fill it with heater controls open, engine > not running, until bubbles stop and you're good to go. What I've done is a variation on this, taught to me by one of my mechanics (Ramon at Bavarian Motorsport in Milpitas, CA FWIW). - Disconnect hose at bottom of thermostat housing (mine were already, as I was replacing the gaskets on both cars) and hold open with a screwdriver or such; - Fill reservoir until fluid comes out of hose and re-connect; - With bleed screw removed, fill reservoir all the way to the top and until no more air bubbles emerge; - Start car, turn on heater full, and go drive car HARD (use high rpms) (plan accordingly - driving in 103F temps with heater on full can be a tad uncomfortable :-)); - Done :-) - Check fluid level for a day or two afterwards; at this point you can remove and fluid over the "Cold" line (or not). As mentioned, I performed this procedure on both cars about a week apart with complete success. The key seems to be getting the system full up to the thermo housing hose first. My previous attempts doing this following a more "traditional" approach were frustrating and unsatisfying :-) Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? - from marty
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:28:46 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? Here is the list of parts I replaced while I had the intake manifold off. It should be complete for what I did. The prices are what I paid, mostly at the dealer (Crown BMW) with club discount. The heater hoses with price of $0 are ones I already had from the Bimmerworld hose kit. The gaskets supplied as part of the Eurosport adapter kit are missing here. IIRC, that would be the throttle body to intake manifold and intake manifold to head profile gaskets. Part description Part # quantity price each Non-ASC intake boot 13-54-1-703-588 1.0 22.99 Intake boot clamp (L77-84mm) 07-12-9-952-131 1.0 2.91 Profile gasket (throttle body/intake manifold) 11-61-1-716-174 1.0 5.60 Heater hose (head/heater control valve) 64-21-1-394-293 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (return pipe/heater control valve) 11-53-1-703-844 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-945 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-865 1.0 0.00 Vacuum hose, meter, white (intake/emissions control solenoid) 11-74-7-797-177 1.0 4.96 Vacuum hose, blue (installed between air pump check valve and hard-line) 11-73-1-435-335 1.0 16.24 Vacuum hose, blue (emissions control solenoid to hard line from air valve check valve) 11-73-1-714-217 1.0 7.01 hose, fuel vapor purge valve to manifold (didn't receive this one) 1.0 Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-291 1.0 8.00 Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-292 1.0 8.00 Vent hose (oil separator/dipstick) 11-15-1-740-393 1.0 10.72 O-ring (dipstick) 11-43-1-740-045 1.0 0.72 O-ring (manifold air temp sensor) 13-62-1-743-299 1.0 0.42 Idle control/crankcase ventilator cover (for Eurosport adapter - mine was an oddity) 11-61-1-703-778 1.0 15.44 Vent pipe (manifold/idle control valve) 11-15-1-703-775 1.0 20.85 Gasket -- idle control/crankcase vent cover 11-61-1-703-779 1.0 7.28 Hose (ICV/intake boot) 13-41-1-435-781 1.0 9.84 Rubber sleeve (grommets in ventilator cover) 13-41-1-733-217 2.0 10.24 Hex nut (manifold support) 07-12-9-900-644 2.0 0.32 Cap -- plugged manifold vacuum port 11-61-1-437-560 1.0 1.49 rubber mounts (for fuel evap thing on driver strut tower) 11-72-1-704-532 2.0 16.24 marty Theodore Serbinski wrote: > Ya I'd be interested in a list as well :-) > > ted >
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#9. RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Vikas.Sinha@zf.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:55:34 -0400 From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Ted, just to complicate your life a little more, there's a third choice. A guy named Eric on bimmerforums is selling a kit that he has put together, and IIRC very strong sales of his kit is what prompted KO to lower the price of their kit. Anyway, I spent many hours searching bimmerforums for advantages of Eric's kit vs. KO vs. Eurosport, and for no big reason but a bunch of little ones, I decided Eric's kit was best for me. I haven't installed it yet, so I can't offer any firsthand knowledge, but you might want to check it out. Vik 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:23 -0400 > From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> > > As for the Eurosport Kit, everyone is referring to this one: > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/intakes.html correct? > > And the KO one which has the same price but is on sale right now: > > http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ > ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm > > Seems to be comparable kits and with the favorable recommendation > from ActiveAutowerke for KO, I'm leaning towards that now :-)
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#10. Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:03:29 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Vik, Do you have a link to this kit anywhere? Very interested since it sounds like I'm in the exact same boat :-) ted On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:58 PM, <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:55:34 -0400 > From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? > > Ted, just to complicate your life a little more, there's a third > choice. > A guy named Eric on bimmerforums is selling a kit that he has put > together, and IIRC very strong sales of his kit is what prompted KO to > lower the price of their kit. > > Anyway, I spent many hours searching bimmerforums for advantages of > Eric's kit vs. KO vs. Eurosport, and for no big reason but a bunch of > little ones, I decided Eric's kit was best for me. I haven't > installed > it yet, so I can't offer any firsthand knowledge, but you might > want to > check it out. > > > Vik > 97 M3/4 > > -----Original Message----- >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:23 -0400 >> From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> >> >> As for the Eurosport Kit, everyone is referring to this one: >> >> http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/intakes.html correct? >> >> And the KO one which has the same price but is on sale right now: >> >> http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ >> ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm >> >> Seems to be comparable kits and with the favorable recommendation >> from ActiveAutowerke for KO, I'm leaning towards that now :-) > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >