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#1. RE: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? - from Matt Bader
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:20:18 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:38 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:28:46 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? Here is the list of parts I replaced while I had the intake manifold off. It should be complete for what I did. The prices are what I paid, mostly at the dealer (Crown BMW) with club discount. The heater hoses with price of $0 are ones I already had from the Bimmerworld hose kit. The gaskets supplied as part of the Eurosport adapter kit are missing here. IIRC, that would be the throttle body to intake manifold and intake manifold to head profile gaskets. Part description Part # quantity price each Non-ASC intake boot 13-54-1-703-588 1.0 22.99 Intake boot clamp (L77-84mm) 07-12-9-952-131 1.0 2.91 Profile gasket (throttle body/intake manifold) 11-61-1-716-174 1.0 5.60 Heater hose (head/heater control valve) 64-21-1-394-293 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (return pipe/heater control valve) 11-53-1-703-844 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-945 1.0 0.00 Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-865 1.0 0.00 Vacuum hose, meter, white (intake/emissions control solenoid) 11-74-7-797-177 1.0 4.96 Vacuum hose, blue (installed between air pump check valve and hard-line) 11-73-1-435-335 1.0 16.24 Vacuum hose, blue (emissions control solenoid to hard line from air valve check valve) 11-73-1-714-217 1.0 7.01 hose, fuel vapor purge valve to manifold (didn't receive this one) 1.0 Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-291 1.0 8.00 Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-292 1.0 8.00 Vent hose (oil separator/dipstick) 11-15-1-740-393 1.0 10.72 O-ring (dipstick) 11-43-1-740-045 1.0 0.72 O-ring (manifold air temp sensor) 13-62-1-743-299 1.0 0.42 Idle control/crankcase ventilator cover (for Eurosport adapter - mine was an oddity) 11-61-1-703-778 1.0 15.44 Vent pipe (manifold/idle control valve) 11-15-1-703-775 1.0 20.85 Gasket -- idle control/crankcase vent cover 11-61-1-703-779 1.0 7.28 Hose (ICV/intake boot) 13-41-1-435-781 1.0 9.84 Rubber sleeve (grommets in ventilator cover) 13-41-1-733-217 2.0 10.24 Hex nut (manifold support) 07-12-9-900-644 2.0 0.32 Cap -- plugged manifold vacuum port 11-61-1-437-560 1.0 1.49 rubber mounts (for fuel evap thing on driver strut tower) 11-72-1-704-532 2.0 16.24 marty Theodore Serbinski wrote: > Ya I'd be interested in a list as well :-) > > ted > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Vikas.Sinha@zf.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:18:11 -0400 From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? m50manifold.com is the site. Most of the research I did was in the bimmerforums archives. I bought my kit used from another bimmerforums member, so I don't get this perk, but if you buy from Eric, he offers free 24/7 phone tech support, which is really going above and beyond the call of duty if you ask me. Disclaimer: I've never met Eric; I don't deal with him in any way other than buying his kit (and not even through him, so he made no money from me). I just really like supporting the little guy who offers something back to the community. :) Vik 97 M3/4 > From: Theodore Serbinski [mailto:stanson@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:03 PM > > Vik, > > Do you have a link to this kit anywhere? Very interested since it > sounds like I'm in the exact same boat :-) > > ted > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:55:34 -0400 >> From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> >> >> Ted, just to complicate your life a little more, there's a third >> choice. A guy named Eric on bimmerforums is selling a kit that >> he has put together, and IIRC very strong sales of his kit is >> what prompted KO to lower the price of their kit.
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#3. Re: Under Intake Replacement Parts List - from Steve Klein
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:23:44 -0500 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Re: Under Intake Replacement Parts List Thank you very much, Marty! That's a fabulous resource! On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:18 PM, E36M3 wrote: > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Replacing Intake Manifold? > > Here is the list of parts I replaced while I had the intake manifold > off. It should be complete for what I did. The prices are what I > paid, > mostly at the dealer (Crown BMW) with club discount. The heater hoses > with price of $0 are ones I already had from the Bimmerworld hose kit. > The gaskets supplied as part of the Eurosport adapter kit are missing > here. IIRC, that would be the throttle body to intake manifold and > intake manifold to head profile gaskets. > > Part description > Part # > quantity > price each > Non-ASC intake boot 13-54-1-703-588 1.0 22.99 > Intake boot clamp (L77-84mm) 07-12-9-952-131 1.0 2.91 > Profile gasket (throttle body/intake manifold) 11-61-1-716-174 > 1.0 5.60 > Heater hose (head/heater control valve) 64-21-1-394-293 1.0 0.00 > Heater hose (return pipe/heater control valve) 11-53-1-703-844 > 1.0 0.00 > Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-945 1.0 0.00 > Heater hose (throttle body) 13-54-1-703-865 1.0 0.00 > Vacuum hose, meter, white (intake/emissions control solenoid) > 11-74-7-797-177 1.0 4.96 > Vacuum hose, blue (installed between air pump check valve and > hard-line) 11-73-1-435-335 1.0 16.24 > Vacuum hose, blue (emissions control solenoid to hard line from air > valve check valve) 11-73-1-714-217 1.0 7.01 > hose, fuel vapor purge valve to manifold (didn't receive this one) > > 1.0 > Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-291 1.0 > 8.00 > Heater hose (heater control valve/firewall) 64-21-1-394-292 1.0 > 8.00 > Vent hose (oil separator/dipstick) 11-15-1-740-393 1.0 10.72 > O-ring (dipstick) 11-43-1-740-045 1.0 0.72 > O-ring (manifold air temp sensor) 13-62-1-743-299 1.0 0.42 > Idle control/crankcase ventilator cover (for Eurosport adapter - mine > was an oddity) > 11-61-1-703-778 1.0 15.44 > Vent pipe (manifold/idle control valve) 11-15-1-703-775 1.0 20.85 > Gasket -- idle control/crankcase vent cover 11-61-1-703-779 1.0 > 7.28 > Hose (ICV/intake boot) 13-41-1-435-781 1.0 9.84 > Rubber sleeve (grommets in ventilator cover) 13-41-1-733-217 2.0 > 10.24 > Hex nut (manifold support) 07-12-9-900-644 2.0 0.32 > Cap -- plugged manifold vacuum port 11-61-1-437-560 1.0 1.49 > rubber mounts (for fuel evap thing on driver strut tower) > 11-72-1-704-532 2.0 16.24 > > > marty > > Theodore Serbinski wrote: >> Ya I'd be interested in a list as well :-) >> >> ted >>
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#4. RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? - from Matt Bader
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:38:48 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Thanks, what's the quickest way to find that guy on bimmerforums? Where was he posting? Do you already have the kit, and did it include a manifold or did you source that separately? Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Vikas.Sinha@zf.com [mailto:Vikas.Sinha@zf.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:58 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:55:34 -0400 From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] replacing intake manifold? Ted, just to complicate your life a little more, there's a third choice. A guy named Eric on bimmerforums is selling a kit that he has put together, and IIRC very strong sales of his kit is what prompted KO to lower the price of their kit. Anyway, I spent many hours searching bimmerforums for advantages of Eric's kit vs. KO vs. Eurosport, and for no big reason but a bunch of little ones, I decided Eric's kit was best for me. I haven't installed it yet, so I can't offer any firsthand knowledge, but you might want to check it out. Vik 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:59:23 -0400 > From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> > > As for the Eurosport Kit, everyone is referring to this one: > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/intakes.html correct? > > And the KO one which has the same price but is on sale right now: > > http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ > ko_performance_bmw_parts_m50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm > > Seems to be comparable kits and with the favorable recommendation > from ActiveAutowerke for KO, I'm leaning towards that now :-) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: Faulty Brake light switch -- Always On - from Autoxcrazy
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Autoxcrazy <autoxcrazy@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Faulty Brake light switch -- Always On >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:56:15 -0600 >From: "Robert Exconde - M3" <99e36m3@exconde.com> >Subject: Faulty Brake light switch -- Always On > >Hi all, I'm getting around to changing the brake light switch because the >brakes are constantly on. As far as I can tell I need the brake switch P/N >61318360417 (With Check Control) FYI, I have a 99M3 > >The brake lights go off if I pull the brake pedal up with my foot. > >Basically I'm asking if this is the correct part number and this is the >right fix. > >Thanks, >Robert >99M3 I had the same exact problem. I drove around like that for a couple months! One day a friend was following me and commented that my brake lights were always on. I had replaced the brake light switch a couple months before and remembered having a tough time getting the old one out. I ended up breaking it into pieces. In the process of getting it out I slightly bent the bracket that holds the switch. When the new one went in it was either to close or to far away from the the bracket that depresses the plunger on the switch. I screwed up not double checking the lights when I did that job. I fixed the problem by bending the bracket back to it's original position. Bill Steele 99M3 --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:58 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue On 7/11/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > WOW, all this talk about bleed procedure and different techniques what's > next, do you have to cuddle the car and speak soft german in the exhaust > tips? If it made the burping procedure easier I'd do that. ;-) I will try the Ramon/Bassett procedure next time and I do have a next time approaching. It usually takes me about 3-4 trys and that's over two-three days so the car can cool down in between since it boils when the bleeding doesn't go well plus there's that whole having to go to work in between thing. My car is extremely difficult to bleed properly. Over the weekend I heard about the tiny hole in the t-stat trick as well. Carlos 98 M3
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#7. Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... - from Mark D
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:05:55 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... Because the a/c needs constant air movement to release heat and cool the cabin. The engine might be able to handle varying 10 degrees but the vehicle occupants probably would get ticked if they had to as well. Additionally the condensor needs to be kept cool or else it will overpressurize and have to shutoff the compressor. Thanks, Mark marty wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:37:18 -0400 > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... > > The two speed aux fan switch in the radiator is supposed to go to > between it's three states (off/low/high) at preset temps even if A/C > isn't running. Fan will come on at low speed when A/C is in use > regardless of temp. > > The stock low/high switch temps are 91/99C and the lower temp switch > values are 80/88C. > > I have the lower temp range switch now and the fan will run w/o A/C on > if ignition switch is on and water temp is hot enough. I never saw > the fan running with original switch (and A/C off) but it switches on > 20 degrees F sooner now. > > Why does the aux fan automatically come on when A/C is turned on? Is > the extra load of running the compressor enough to presume extra > cooling will be necessary? I'm guessing part of the decision to do > that is the presumption that it's already hot or you wouldn't need the > A/C. I'm guessing the extra load on the engine is the answer because > it sure saps a lot power and must be a significant load. > > marty > > Benjamin Hirsch wrote: >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:42:05 -0700 >> From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] coolant temp., e-fan..... >> >> I can also confirm, the AUX fan is wired to come on everytime the AC >> is on. >> I'm not sure about high temps triggering the AUX fan. I know in the >> OBD2 >> E36 M3's, there is a 2 speed fan switch that the AUX fan is wired to >> (low/high). I would suspect/guess the AUX fan should trigger under >> normal >> working conditions if the temp goes above X (if your temp gauge was >> moving >> above standard middle, it should be triggered by then, because that >> is very >> hot) >> >> On 7/11/07, tim ng <s14realm3@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:46:32 -0400 >>> From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: coolant temp., e-fan..... >>> >>> In the e36, does the e fan come on low speed when the a/c is on? ie: >>> like >>> the e30's >>>
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#8. Re: replacing intake manifold? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:20:26 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: replacing intake manifold? on 7/11/07 3:18 PM, Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> wrote: > As for the Eurosport Kit, everyone is referring to this one: > <http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/intakes.html> correct? Correct. > And the KO one which has the same price but is on sale right now: > <http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/engine/manifolds/ko/ko_performance_bmw_parts_m 50_manifold_conversion_kit_e36_m3.htm> > Seems to be comparable kits and with the favorable recommendation > from ActiveAutowerke for KO, I'm leaning towards that now :-) If you look at the photos you'll see that they're not at all comparable. The Eurosport kit (which I have as part of their cam kit) uses a CNC machined adapter that bolts into the bottom of the OBD-I manifold to provide the necessary vacuum and sensor connections. This give a factory level of quality and appearance. The others use improvised T-connectors, hose clamps, etc. In the Ko kit I also don't see the necessary throttle body gasket adapter plate, but perhaps they just don't show it for some reason? You get what you pay for? (On a good day, anyway.) Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#9. RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:57:12 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Interesting on the tiny hole in the thermostat trick. Perhaps those with stuck/broken thermostats could have more trouble bleeding air properly. That was sorta my point originally. Thermos should be part of any cooling preventative maintenance. Me -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:clopez98m3@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:58 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue On 7/11/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > WOW, all this talk about bleed procedure and different techniques what's > next, do you have to cuddle the car and speak soft german in the exhaust > tips? If it made the burping procedure easier I'd do that. ;-) I will try the Ramon/Bassett procedure next time and I do have a next time approaching. It usually takes me about 3-4 trys and that's over two-three days so the car can cool down in between since it boils when the bleeding doesn't go well plus there's that whole having to go to work in between thing. My car is extremely difficult to bleed properly. Over the weekend I heard about the tiny hole in the t-stat trick as well. Carlos 98 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue - from Scott
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0700 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue IIRC the thermostats have a "correct" orientation. There's a little inscription on the thermostat telling you which way is "up". My guess is that getting this oriented correctly is a big part of getting your system to bleed. I think it achieves the same thing as the "hole in the thermostat" trick. -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:58 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:57:12 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Interesting on the tiny hole in the thermostat trick. Perhaps those with stuck/broken thermostats could have more trouble bleeding air properly. That was sorta my point originally. Thermos should be part of any cooling preventative maintenance. Me -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:clopez98m3@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:47:58 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] possible cooling system issue On 7/11/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > WOW, all this talk about bleed procedure and different techniques what's > next, do you have to cuddle the car and speak soft german in the exhaust > tips? If it made the burping procedure easier I'd do that. ;-) I will try the Ramon/Bassett procedure next time and I do have a next time approaching. It usually takes me about 3-4 trys and that's over two-three days so the car can cool down in between since it boils when the bleeding doesn't go well plus there's that whole having to go to work in between thing. My car is extremely difficult to bleed properly. Over the weekend I heard about the tiny hole in the t-stat trick as well. Carlos 98 M3