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#1. Re: VANOS replacement - from Steve Klein
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:03:28 -0500 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Re: VANOS replacement http://drvanos.com/ Check out Dr.Vanos before you begin. Many of us have replaced the units with no change in the sound and after reading about him on BimmerForums and seeing the testimonial videos, I'm very impressed with what he offers. When I replace my head and gasket, I'll be buying a unit from him (if I haven't already disassembled the one I've got and figured out what he's done!). S On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, mpower@obikwan.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: mpower@obikwan.com > Subject: VANOS replacement > > Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not > buy my M3 > to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me > insane enough to fix the issue. > > So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure > since the > valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What > else since > I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? > > Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P > > Thanks > -kelvin > > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement - from Peter Loron
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0700 From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement Might want to do the chain tensioners first before plunking down the dough for the VANOS. IIRC, if they have gone south it can also cause a similar-to-failed-VANOS rattle. -Pete On 7/19/07, mpower@obikwan.com <mpower@obikwan.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: mpower@obikwan.com > Subject: VANOS replacement > > Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not buy my M3 > to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me > insane enough to fix the issue. > > So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure since the > valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What else since > I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? > > Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P > > Thanks > -kelvin > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] overheating and no heat on the left side - from Andrew Kalman
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:12:48 -0700 From: Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] overheating and no heat on the left side Just as an observation ... After I replaced the head gasket on my M3 LWT (3rd time's a charm :) ) I was initially concerned because over the course of a few miles of driving and at least one DE instructing weekend, the level in my expansion tank kept dropping and I had to top it off. But after a couple more hard, hot DE weekends it has stabilized and I'm no longer worried. So it seems to take a while to fully bleed properly, even if you do little extras (like drill the thermostat, etc.). --Andrew >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:33:24 -0400 >From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> >Subject: overheating and no heat on the left side > >overheating and no heat issue solved, did the nose up hill burp and >got all the air out of the system. I already had the engine warm, I >started the engine and SLOWLY, VERY SLOWLY removed the over fill >cap, slowly bleeding out the pressure. I had some coolant bubble out >then the bottle was sucked DRY once the air pocket went thru. I had >to add about a gallon of mixed BMWcoolant and distilled water. Now I >have heat and no more overheating in traffic. > > > >Tim Ng BMWCCA # 36497 >95 BUZZNM3 dakar yella >94 325i future track car >92 325ic M-Technic pkg >91 M3 garage queen >88 M3/2.5 DM race car >------------------ >project >90 535ia >------------------ >Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer >my web page: >http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures > > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] overheating and no heat on the left side - from Mark Duckworth
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:23:59 -0400 From: Mark Duckworth <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] overheating and no heat on the left side On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 12:40 -0500, tim ng wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:33:24 -0400 > From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> > Subject: overheating and no heat on the left side > > overheating and no heat issue solved, did the nose up hill burp and got all > the air out of the system. I already had the engine warm, I started the > engine and SLOWLY, VERY SLOWLY removed the over fill cap, slowly bleeding > out the pressure. I had some coolant bubble out then the bottle was sucked > DRY once the air pocket went thru. I had to add about a gallon of mixed > BMWcoolant and distilled water. Now I have heat and no more overheating in > traffic. That's great news! Let us know if the minor overheating damaged your head gasket and causes it to fail again. Hopefully not! Mine took coolant quite a bit easier than that. I guess they're all different. Thanks, Mark
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#5. Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement - from Mpower
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:29:36 -0700 From: Mpower <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement I've replaced the tensioner that's outside of the head, and no change. The one that's inside can't be reached unless I take the VANOS/cam gears apart. So I would be in there anyhow. -kelvin --------- Original Message -------- From: Peter Loron <peterloron@gmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement Date: 07/19/07 12:21 > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:11:12 -0700 > From: "Peter Loron" <peterloron@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement > > Might want to do the chain tensioners first before plunking down the dough > for the VANOS. IIRC, if they have gone south it can also cause a > similar-to-failed-VANOS rattle. > > -Pete > > > On 7/19/07, mpower@obikwan.com <mpower@obikwan.com> wrote: > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) > > From: mpower@obikwan.com > > Subject: VANOS replacement > > > > Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not buy my M3 > > to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me > > insane enough to fix the issue. > > > > So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure since the > > valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What else since > > I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? > > > > Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P > > > > Thanks > > -kelvin > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement - from Gary
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:28:48 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement That's pretty slick! I might get my spare one done ;o) Yup, I have a spare one "just in case" Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Klein" <s.klein@steveklein.cc> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:03:28 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> > Subject: Re: VANOS replacement > > http://drvanos.com/ > > > Check out Dr.Vanos before you begin. Many of us have replaced the units > with no change in the sound and after reading about him on BimmerForums > and seeing the testimonial videos, I'm very impressed with what he > offers. > > When I replace my head and gasket, I'll be buying a unit from him (if I > haven't already disassembled the one I've got and figured out what he's > done!). > > S > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, mpower@obikwan.com wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) >> From: mpower@obikwan.com >> Subject: VANOS replacement >> >> Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not buy my >> M3 >> to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me >> insane enough to fix the issue. >> >> So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure since >> the >> valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What else >> since >> I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? >> >> Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P >> >> Thanks >> -kelvin >> >> >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:29:30 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement Replace the primary timing chain tensioner first, it's ~$80, only requires a 32mm wrench to change and completely cured the rattling sound on the two M3s I've replaced it on so far. Something else to check are the serpentine belt pulleys and tensioner, if they are original they are probably noisy too. Regards Jamie
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement - from Mpower
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:32:16 -0700 From: Mpower <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement That's my plan! I assume no one on the suzy list has used DrVanos' units before. I guess I'll take one for the team! ;) Originally i was thinking I could just live with the noise. But I realized that my car "felt underpowered" the other day when i was getting on an onramp and punched the throttle. It just felt like it was not going anywhere. This may or may NOT be related to the VANOS issue, but based on my readings, this could potentially be a cause as well. I'm hoping to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here. So we'll see. As compared to my friends S52, his car feels so much powerful than mine. It's not even close. Granted he is suppose to have more torque down low, but it's like nite and day. The difference is so great, you can tell by just being a passenger! -kelvin --------- Original Message -------- From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Re: VANOS replacement Date: 07/19/07 12:11 > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:03:28 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> > Subject: Re: VANOS replacement > > http://drvanos.com/ > > > Check out Dr.Vanos before you begin. Many of us have replaced the > units with no change in the sound and after reading about him on > BimmerForums and seeing the testimonial videos, I'm very impressed > with what he offers. > > When I replace my head and gasket, I'll be buying a unit from him (if > I haven't already disassembled the one I've got and figured out what > he's done!). > > S > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, mpower@obikwan.com wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) > > From: mpower@obikwan.com > > Subject: VANOS replacement > > > > Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not > > buy my M3 > > to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me > > insane enough to fix the issue. > > > > So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure > > since the > > valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What > > else since > > I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? > > > > Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P > > > > Thanks > > -kelvin > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10
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#9. RE: VANOS replacement - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:13:09 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: VANOS replacement Timing chain tensioners? Oil pump nut. -------------------- 11 -------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:40:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mpower@obikwan.com Subject: VANOS replacement Okay folks, I'm going to replace my VANOS unit because I did not buy my M3 to sound like a "can full of marbles" sound. It finally has driven me insane enough to fix the issue. So since I'm in there, what else do I need to replace? I figure since the valve cover is coming off I'd do the valve cover gaskets. What else since I'm in there? Spark plugs (if so, which ones for a S50 motor)? Anyone in the bay area have the tools that I can borrow? =P Thanks -kelvin
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#10. Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement - from marty
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:02:21 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement Are you sure about that? IIRC you can remove the secondary tensioner with the sprockets, chains, and VANOS in place. That is, I think you can depress the plunger, lock the tensioner, remove 2 or 3 bolts and remove the tensioner w/o removing anything else - except the cover so you can get in there. I've been wrong before but that's today's recollection. marty Mpower wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:29:36 -0700 > From: Mpower <mpower@obikwan.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] VANOS replacement > > I've replaced the tensioner that's outside of the head, and no change. The > one that's inside can't be reached unless I take the VANOS/cam gears apart. > So I would be in there anyhow. > > -kelvin >