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#1. RE: [E36M3] Camber Plates - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:54:33 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Camber Plates Get the camber plates. I have the TC Kline version. I got an alignment, and had my autocross settings marked on the plate, along with a street setting. Changing back and forth is easy, just jack up one side of the car and loosen the 3 nuts and slide the strut in or out. The toe is barely affected at all, and it adds toe-out as you increase negative camber, desirable for the track. It takes me 15 minutes, tops, to change settings. If you're changing track tires, it adds maybe 5 minutes to your routine. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: drevans@fuse.net [mailto:drevans@fuse.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:44 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Camber Plates Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:37:33 -0400 From: <drevans@fuse.net> Subject: Camber Plates I have been considering getting a set of the Vorshlag camber plates for my 1995 M3. I am to the point that I need some negative camber up front to stop the wear on the outside of my track tires. My question is how acuarate can you get the adjustments between the street and track settings? Also, when you change the settings, how does this affect the caster/toe settings of the front end geometry? Lastly, would I be better off getting a set of 96+ strut hats and swapping sides? The car only sees about 5-6000 miles a year on the street, so that shouldn't affect my street tires too much. TIA Rich Evans
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Camber Plates - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:12:05 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Camber Plates On 7/23/07, Jay Hudson <jwhud@budget.net> wrote: > Get the car on the alignment rack and set it at -2 camber with zero toe. > Mark it on the plates. That's your street setting. Now move the camber > to -3.5 or whatever you want to use for the track. Mark that setting. > Adding the extra camber for your track setting will also give you some toe > out which is what you want. +1 :-) I do the same thing except I do have the Vorshlag camber plates. They were called Motorforce back when I bought them though. My minimum camber is 2.5 and I run 3.7 as my track setting. I can't recall my toe out for the track setting but the car's turn in response is fantastic. Carlos 98 M3
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#3. Stock Spring Rates - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:56:13 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Stock Spring Rates Can someone tell me what the spring rates are for the stock e36 M3? Is it possible to get back to the "stock ride" with true coil overs? Thanks, Bill Ft. Worth 2/22/99 Coupe
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates - from Chris Teague
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:13:25 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates Bill, It's around 115 lb/in in front and 325 lb/in in the rear. The fronts are real soft, and coilvers anywhere near that soft in front will coilbind easily. You could try 400/400. I've heard of people running 300 or 350 in front, but you can bottom those out pretty easily. Also, shocks have a big effect on ride quality. Chris ----- Original Message ----- > Can someone tell me what the spring rates are for the stock e36 M3? > > Is it possible to get back to the "stock ride" with true coil overs? > > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > Ft. Worth > > 2/22/99 Coupe
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:33:27 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates I run 375/450 with no bind problems. 6"f/7"r Eibach ERS. This is an excellent street setup that works pretty well for track days. I try to be realistic about how I use my car (95% street) and set it up accordingly... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:14 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:13:25 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates Bill, It's around 115 lb/in in front and 325 lb/in in the rear. The fronts are real soft, and coilvers anywhere near that soft in front will coilbind easily. You could try 400/400. I've heard of people running 300 or 350 in front, but you can bottom those out pretty easily. Also, shocks have a big effect on ride quality. Chris
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#6. Clutch Pedal Sensor - from jbjerke@charter.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:43:26 -0700 From: <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Clutch Pedal Sensor On my 98 M3 at times I have difficulty engaging the cruise control. If I play around with the clutch pedal I can get the cruise to work again leading me to believe the travel sensor is not adjusted properly and the computer thinks the clutch is depressed not allowing the cruise to engage. Can these be adjusted? I looked briefly and it didn't appear so. Jeff Bjerke 1998 Red/Blk Coupe
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates - from Mpower
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:02:59 -0700 From: Mpower <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates What about using LTW springs vs. plain old M3 springs? Any thoughts/opinions on that? Thanks --------- Original Message -------- From: Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates Date: 07/23/07 20:35 > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:33:27 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > I run 375/450 with no bind problems. 6"f/7"r Eibach ERS. This is an > excellent street > setup that works pretty well for track days. I try to be realistic about how > I use my car (95% street) and set it up accordingly... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:14 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:13:25 -0700 > From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > Bill, > > It's around 115 lb/in in front and 325 lb/in in the rear. > > The fronts are real soft, and coilvers anywhere near that soft in front will > coilbind easily. > > You could try 400/400. I've heard of people running 300 or 350 in front, > but you can bottom those out pretty easily. > Also, shocks have a big effect on ride quality. > > Chris > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10
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#8. Re: [E36M3] SRS light - from Tom Melton
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:49:11 -0400 From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] SRS light It goes out because it was a "temporary" error. The long light is to make you see it, so you know there was an issue that does not exist at this time. I am pretty sure the owner's manual discusses it. -Tom >>> Dave Heckendorf <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> 7/23/2007 4:53 PM >>> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:49:04 -0700 From: "Dave Heckendorf" <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] SRS light Yup, but I wouldn't expect it to go out once it has come on... My SRS light has been on for a while because I haven't found the time to change the passenger seat occupancy sensor and my Wife's '99 E46 328i had it on after having body work to the driver's rear door done. Neither went out once they came on (until I tried resetting mine which had it out briefly, and once I reset the one on the Wife's car)... Dave On 7/23/07, Tom Melton <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:20:26 -0400 > From: "Tom Melton" <Tom.Melton@emoryhealthcare.org> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] SRS light > > Typically this "long" displayed SRS light that vanishes after 3-5 > minutes signifies there is a stored error in the system. Typically it > happens when someone powers up the car with the ignition key when some > component of the SRS unplugged - oftimes the passenger seat has been > removed temporarily. > > Clearing the SRS codes in most cases will allow the system to return to > 100% normal, with normal light display behavior. > > -Tom > > >>> Dave Heckendorf <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> 7/23/2007 1:13 PM >>> > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:13:19 -0700 > From: "Dave Heckendorf" <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] SRS light > > I've got one of the Peake SRS Tools you can borrow in Los Angeles (for > up > through '99 models)... Though with the light going on and off, I'm not > sure > that will fix the problem, I would expect ti to stay on if it comes > on... > > Dave > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com ( http://www.bimmerworld.com/ ) > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com ( http://www.turnermotorsport.com/ ) > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com ( http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/ ) > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com ( http://www.rogueengineering.com/ ) > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com ( http://www.treehouseracing.com/ ) > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com ( http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/ ) > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw ( http://www.bmw/ )-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com ( http://www.bimmerworld.com/ ) Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com ( http://www.turnermotorsport.com/ ) Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com ( http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/ ) Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com ( http://www.rogueengineering.com/ ) Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com ( http://www.treehouseracing.com/ ) Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com ( http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/ ) DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw ( http://www.bmw/ )-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. Camber plates - from Robert Manger
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:49:02 -0400 From: "Robert Manger" <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: Camber plates Hi Rich, I just did this on my 95 a couple of weeks ago. Depending on your suspension, I have H&R coilovers you may be limited to the max camber you can get, the stock spring for example will only allow so much movement, but coilovers aren't a problem. I have mine set to -3.0 in the front with 0 toe and leave it there since I do about the same street miles that you do or less. The rear is set to -2ish with an 1/8 total toe in. The toe is what causes the most wear on the tires. The vorshlag plates are great quality and easy to use and I have said this on another forum, but their service is awesome, Brain and Terry are very dedicated to the product and it shows. No affiliations, just a happy customer. contact me off-line if you have particular questions on install Rob -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:37:33 -0400 From: <drevans@fuse.net> Subject: Camber Plates I have been considering getting a set of the Vorshlag camber plates for my 1995 M3. I am to the point that I need some negative camber up front to stop the wear on the outside of my track tires. My question is how acuarate can you get the adjustments between the street and track settings? Also, when you change the settings, how does this affect the caster/toe settings of the front end geometry? Lastly, would I be better off getting a set of 96+ strut hats and swapping sides? The car only sees about 5-6000 miles a year on the street, so that shouldn't affect my street tires too much. TIA Rich Evans CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:06:49 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates Thanks everyone for the input. To get a little more specific: Dave, what you have may be what I'm looking for. Can you give me more detail? Eibach ERS? 6/7" is ride height? I'm at the "I've got a bad rear shock," stage. I'm wondering should I go to coil overs and what would they do for me? I want to be able to adjust the ride to be street like but would like to be able to adjust the suspension so I could do some driver's schools and not plow into the corners braking and turning. It seems there are offerings at the $500, $1,500 and $2,500 levels. What are the differences? Thank you all for your experience. Best, Bill Ft. Worth 2/22/99 Coupe On Jul 23, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:33:27 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > I run 375/450 with no bind problems. 6"f/7"r Eibach ERS. This is an > excellent street > setup that works pretty well for track days. I try to be realistic > about how > I use my car (95% street) and set it up accordingly... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:14 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:13:25 -0700 > From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stock Spring Rates > > Bill, > > It's around 115 lb/in in front and 325 lb/in in the rear. > > The fronts are real soft, and coilvers anywhere near that soft in > front will > coilbind easily. > > You could try 400/400. I've heard of people running 300 or 350 in > front, > but you can bottom those out pretty easily. > Also, shocks have a big effect on ride quality. > > Chris > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >