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#1. Re: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics - from Gary
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:33:19 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics I have the powerflex race bushings, RTAB, and subframe, along with 650lb rear springs and 550 front and treehouse front LCA popsicles, Koni's, and all the other non stock stuff you can think of ;o). I would say the ride is not bad. It squeaks some in the winter when its cold, other than that the ride is not bad. It made a huge difference doing both the RTAB and Subframe. I was told to skip the standard bushing and get the race since they tend to last longer. I like mine made a big difference. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Malloy" <dfmalloy@cox.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:26:49 -0700 > From: "Dan Malloy" <dfmalloy@cox.net> > Subject: RTAB ride characteristics > > > > Its RTAB time and I'm considering the Powerflex bushings. My friendly > local > independent mechanic is warning about increased ride harshness. Can anyone > who has BTDT comment please? Car is a 95 coupe, 7/94 build with Bilstein > Sport shocks. > > > Dan Malloy > Mobile 858.245.2412 > Work 858.613.0180 > Home 858.486.1177 > dfmalloy@cox.net > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:37:41 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup On 7/30/07, Benjamin Hirsch <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone have one of these that they'd be willing to part with? I'm having to > drop my pan to rebaffle, and might consider at LTW setup if you have one for > a value price. Hmm I was thinking about the same thing just last week but I don't think LTW setup and value price go hand in hand. New it's a $1000 setup, used I figure goes for about half. Scott Smith's used pan went for $305 on ebay this weekend and of course I got outbid by $5 trying to be a cheapskate. :-) Carlos 98 M3
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#3. Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#4. Re: Pork Chop Blues - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:37:27 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Pork Chop Blues on 7/30/07 10:23 AM, "Patrick Kelly" <pkelly@agincourtcapital.com> wrote: > Questions: 1) Should I replace the front fender liners as well? Very likely. About $25 each as I recall. > Don't they also support/tie into the underpanel? Yes they do, and tend to tear at the critical points. > 2) I'm inclined to just go with stock (and maybe reinforce a few key areas > with sandwiched thin aluminum sheet) That's essentially what I did, plus the real key: an extra series of screws along the front edge which keep the underpanel tucked up inside the front bumper cover. I have installation notes I can send to you off-Digest if you decide to go that way. I see that I originally wrote them in July 2001, and since the very same underpanel is still in place after extensive high speed track use, I'm pretty confident that my fix works. > but could go for the JTD underpanel if y'all think it's worth the extra $100 > or so. Car is daily driver but likes the track. =D I tried the JTD and didn't care for it, but some people do really like it. YMMV. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:59:04 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I purchased mine (build date 11/97) for $15,000 w/76,000 miles last year. Not low mileage like you are talking about, but definitely lower than the average E36 M3 on the road today I would guess. Perhaps that info helps give you a reference point... Matt Bader Delaware 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:54:14 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup On 7/30/07, Carlos Lopez <clopez98m3@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 7/30/07, Benjamin Hirsch <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone have one of these that they'd be willing to part with? I'm > having to > > drop my pan to rebaffle, and might consider at LTW setup if you have one > for > > a value price. > > Hmm I was thinking about the same thing just last week but I don't > think LTW setup and value price go hand in hand. New it's a $1000 > setup, used I figure goes for about half. Scott Smith's used pan went > for $305 on ebay this weekend and of course I got outbid by $5 trying > to be a cheapskate. :-) > > Carlos > 98 M3 > I think it goes for closer to $1500 new, doesn't it? Bekkers wants $1800 or so for it. Marco recently only wanted $750 (which is a steal, and I should have jumped then, doh!) -Ben
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:01:52 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I bought my mint (and I mean dead stock, showroom condition MINT) 98 M3/4 last year with 12,700 miles for $24K. I considered it a new car purchase, considering the mileage. I could have bought a new RX-8 for that. Other nice M3/4s in my area (Philly) were going for $17-18k with 60k miles. So it does seem like REALLY nice examples are selling for good money, but there are plenty that aren't as nice. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
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#8. Re: TC Kline Roll Cage - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:58:15 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: TC Kline Roll Cage on 7/30/07 10:23 AM, "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/29/07, Lawrence J. Barbieri <larry@logicalconclusions.com> wrote: >> I just purchased a used TC Kline full roll cage for my 95 M3. I was just >> wondering if anyone else had installed one of these and possibly had a copy >> of the installation directions. > I don't believe I've ever heard or seen directions for these things. > Duane Collie a long time ago wrote a short article for the Roundel on > his tckline roll bar install but I've never been able to find it > online, I believe someone did scan it in a few years back. I do have the scan of that Jan 99 Roundel article that I got directly from Duane Collie, and can send it to anyone interested. I have to say that Duane did some weird things involving improvised winching into place with tiedowns, none of which I found at all necessary when installing my own TC Kline roll bar. I also have a couple of sets of installation notes from other people that might help. However all of these are for roll bars, not full cages, and are oriented toward keeping the car's full interior. Installation is of course much easier in a stripped car. I'm assuming that Larry's new-to-him full cage is a bolt together. If so I'd strongly consider having it welded in. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:33:24 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I've seen low mileage examples go north of 20K easily. At mileage below 40-50K, they fall into the "survivor" category and will go above retail book values if they are cherries. How much above retail you ask? IMO it's a number somewhere between retail and comparable newer equivalent vehicle. What has been helping the survivors is the e36M3 appeal and the fact that even when compared to other enthusiast vehicles for the same price they are in many ways superior to what else is available even when compared to new. My 7 cents, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:54 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:59:04 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I purchased mine (build date 11/97) for $15,000 w/76,000 miles last year. Not low mileage like you are talking about, but definitely lower than the average E36 M3 on the road today I would guess. Perhaps that info helps give you a reference point... Matt Bader Delaware 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:45:58 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s So, I think I got a fair price for mine, and it was in excellent, but not perfect, condition. I looked at other options as well, including used 350Z and G35's. But, deep down, I just felt somehow that I would not be as happy with one of those cars. I test drove an RX-8 and thought it was slow so took that off my list fairly quickly. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Now pushing 90k miles -----Original Message----- From: Paul Andrews [mailto:emosound@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:34 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:01:52 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I bought my mint (and I mean dead stock, showroom condition MINT) 98 M3/4 last year with 12,700 miles for $24K. I considered it a new car purchase, considering the mileage. I could have bought a new RX-8 for that. Other nice M3/4s in my area (Philly) were going for $17-18k with 60k miles. So it does seem like REALLY nice examples are selling for good money, but there are plenty that aren't as nice. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: TC Kline Roll Cage - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:40:03 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: TC Kline Roll Cage On Jul 30, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Neil Maller wrote: >> I don't believe I've ever heard or seen directions for these things. >> Duane Collie a long time ago wrote a short article for the Roundel on >> his tckline roll bar install but I've never been able to find it >> online, I believe someone did scan it in a few years back. > > I do have the scan of that Jan 99 Roundel article that I got > directly from > Duane Collie, and can send it to anyone interested. I have to say > that Duane > did some weird things involving improvised winching into place with > tiedowns, none of which I found at all necessary when installing my > own > TC Kline roll bar. Only Duane could turn a TC Kline roll bar install into a multipage magazine article. The install is trivial. Of course, "easy" doesn't make for a good story, does it? :) - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar