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#1. RE: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics - from david kroth
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics > VPD makes one and I believe > Bimmerworld will rent you one > if you buy the bushings from them. I did my RTABs a few weeks ago using the Victory tool. It is not *THE* best tool for the job. Years ago when I had my first E36 I borrowed a BMW RTAB tool from either Ben or Brett - can't remember now. That tool was ideal for the job. The Victory tool is adequate, but I can't imaging a professional mechanice ever using it. Hey, I just checked www.victoryproductdesign.com. There is a message on the homepage: "Due to situations beyond our control Victory Product Design will no longer be accepting new orders." Uh, am I looking in the right place? David Kroth david_kroth@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Gary
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:45:52 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s The available supply of low milers is getting thin. Now a low miler is anything under 100k. Anything under 50k is probably going to fetch a decent price, $20k range. Heck the turboed E36M3's are creeping up, a well sorted out, low mile turbo car can push close to 30k. The attrition rate for cars, between say 80-130k, is getting higher due to being bought by younger people...Who tend to wipe them out....And guys converting them to race cars...A BMW CCA race looks like an E36M3 fest. An unmolested E36M3 is hard to find. Try finding a low mile E30M3! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Rex Tener
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:47:21 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s At 07:43 AM 7/30/2007, Stan Shaw wrote: >I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is >it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. I know of a couple of sales of under 20K mile M3's that sold in the low $20K's on the west coast. One of those was sold in the last two weeks for $23K with 12K miles on a garage queen 1999 M3. <http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=788878> The owner runs an STi against me in STU in SFR and we worked the course together yesterday. He said he had a ton of interest in the car, but the first person to contact him bought it. Once the new E90 M3 is in showrooms I would think that E46 M3 prices will take another dip (or maybe go up). :-) Rex
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:58:57 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s BTW, yes I do realize this is in some ways contrary to what bimmer magazines market update columnist reports. I forget the authors' name, but from what he writes and how he reveals his mechanical idiocy in word, I also believe his market research to be of similar value. I honestly get the impression he has ever picked up a wrench. If anyone keeps up with those articles as I do, you'll likely remember a number of holes in his maladies and perf areas as well as option years description etc. IIRC he stated the e46 to be more valuable with a weird twist despite what I think I remember being higher production numbers. Don't quote me on that thou... Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:33 AM To: 'Matt Bader'; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I've seen low mileage examples go north of 20K easily. At mileage below 40-50K, they fall into the "survivor" category and will go above retail book values if they are cherries. How much above retail you ask? IMO it's a number somewhere between retail and comparable newer equivalent vehicle. What has been helping the survivors is the e36M3 appeal and the fact that even when compared to other enthusiast vehicles for the same price they are in many ways superior to what else is available even when compared to new. My 7 cents, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:54 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:59:04 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I purchased mine (build date 11/97) for $15,000 w/76,000 miles last year. Not low mileage like you are talking about, but definitely lower than the average E36 M3 on the road today I would guess. Perhaps that info helps give you a reference point... Matt Bader Delaware 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:04:34 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Gary is very much on point here. I'd also like to add, the hardest plague about the survivors left is not feeling guilty about driving them for some. Will they become 401K's like the superbird/roadrunner, or BB chevelle, no way!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Gary [mailto:probikeguy@probikeusa.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:54 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:45:52 -0500 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s The available supply of low milers is getting thin. Now a low miler is anything under 100k. Anything under 50k is probably going to fetch a decent price, $20k range. Heck the turboed E36M3's are creeping up, a well sorted out, low mile turbo car can push close to 30k. The attrition rate for cars, between say 80-130k, is getting higher due to being bought by younger people...Who tend to wipe them out....And guys converting them to race cars...A BMW CCA race looks like an E36M3 fest. An unmolested E36M3 is hard to find. Try finding a low mile E30M3! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:39:13 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s I see there are low mileage E36 M3s for sale, usually in the $20k+ range. I have thought of buying one as a street only M3, but the pricing seems high when compared to E46 M3s that are now dipping into the high $20ks. While a 25k mileage E36 M3 could be nice and less expensive to insurance and maintain than an E46, paying $20k+ would seem to be quite a premium. I am wondering if the low mileage M3s are really being sold for $20k+ or is it reasonable for me to try and deal for one for much less. Just curious as to what the market is, if anyone knows :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:29:32 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Value of Low Mileage E36 M3s Thanks to all that have (and will) respond. The initial response would lead me to believe that really nice E36M3s with low mileage are close in price to the least expensive E46M3s. Possibly a higher mileage E36M3 could be found for $15k but still be very nice. I find this intriguing as having one as a stock race/track car would mean many parts would be interchangeable and that can be really useful in problem determination or when a quick replacement is needed. I am unlikely to every buy a mint older car, I simply am not a clean freak, so a well maintained daily driver is what is best for me :) Maybe the best deals won't be around until at least late fall :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#7. Carfax request - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:34:12 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Carfax request Could somebody with an account please run this 1G6KS52Y8RU826722. Also if you want to buy it let me know it's for a friend at work. I'll reply immediately to list once somebody provides the report, since I know folks are so generous on this list and to avoid duplicative efforts. Thanks in advance, Patrick Goss
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#8. Re: [E36M3] brake leak - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:35:25 -0700 From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] brake leak What does it taste like? On 7/29/07, Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:14:40 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: brake leak > > I was departing from a stop light on Friday and saw a quick flicker of an > idiot light on the dash. I didn't catch which is was, but it was on the > right side of the cluster. It didn't come back, so once I arrived at work, > I shut off the car then turned it back to ignition to see all the lights > come on. My choices were: parking brake (possibility, I guess) or brake > fluid. I checked my brake reservoir, and sure enough, the level was just > above minimum. I went out today to move the car onto the driveway and then > see if I could find any leaks. Rear wheels, fine. Front wheels, fine. I > bent down to look under the front, and sure enough, there was a fresh 3 or 4 > drops of blue-tinted translucent fluid that had leaked down onto the > ground. It was dripping from the area near the very front of the oil pan > right below and on the passenger side of the crank pulley. I have no idea > how it could be getting all the way up there from the rear corner of the > engine bay where all the lines come from. The ABS pump looked clean and > dry, nothing leaking directly from it. > > Anyone have any ideas where it could be originating from? It's 90 out here > today and still a bit hot to jack it up and take a close look, so thought > I'd see if there's any BTDTs. > > Thanks again, > Brian > build 8/95 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#9. Re: WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:35:59 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Re: WTB (maybe): your e36 m3 LTW Pan/Pump Setup What were the build months of the 95 LWT? I got a used pan/pump and would like to get a new pump. Anyone got the BMW P/N of the LWT pump handy? TIA KLB
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#10. RE: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics - from Rex Tener
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:51:20 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RTAB ride characteristics At 08:54 AM 7/30/2007, david kroth wrote: > > VPD makes one and I believe > > Bimmerworld will rent you one > > if you buy the bushings from them. > >I did my RTABs a few weeks ago using the Victory >tool. It is not *THE* best tool for the job. Years >ago when I had my first E36 I borrowed a BMW RTAB >tool from either Ben or Brett - can't remember now. >That tool was ideal for the job. The Victory tool >is adequate, but I can't imaging a professional >mechanice ever using it. I bought the updated Victory RTAB Tool earlier this year to use on my 1998 M3 and it was okay. However, I made my own tool for my 1995 M3 (that was painful, because I am not a good tool maker :-)) and rented the factory tool from Chester for my 1996 M3. The factory tool is really nice and I was able to do one bushing in just a few minutes, much easier and faster than the Victory or my home made hack tool. >Uh, am I looking in the right place? That is the correct URL. Rex