E36M3 #5383

Tuesday, September 04, 2007 08:38:18

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#1. Re: An M50 intake story... - from Neil Maller
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... - from Carlos Lopez
#3. Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts - from Neil Maller
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... - from Theodore Serbinski
#5. Re: [E36M3] m50 intake manifold - from Theodore Serbinski
#6. Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts - from Jason Lombard
#7. Re: Suspension R&R - from Matthew Finlay
#8. suspension wear question - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#9. RE: [E36M3] suspension wear question - from Stiles
#10. Re: [E36M3] suspension wear question - tail wagging dog! - from mdriver13@aol.com

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#1. Re: An M50 intake story... - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:34:29 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: An M50 intake story... on 9/3/07 9:17 AM, Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be interested to see some pictures of the Eurosport after it's > mounted. I know it has a machined part, but I can't tell from looking > at the kit where exactly it fits and what it does :-) The well thought out and beautifully CNC machined Eurosport adapter fits underneath the M50 manifold, where alas you may never set eyes on it again. As the saying goes, "It's like peeing in your pants while wearing a dark suit: gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody else knows." > Install CD? Yet another reason to go Eurosport IMO. Yes indeed. Excellent photos and instructions. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:41:18 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... On 9/3/07, Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > As the saying goes, "It's like peeing in your pants while wearing a dark > suit: gives you a nice warm feeling, but nobody else knows." Nice analogy. :-) > Yes indeed. Excellent photos and instructions. Actually Ted kind of benefitted from it as the picture I sent of the O2 sensor connectors was from the CD. I had about a 3 month delay putting mine back together and w/o that CD I couldn't have done it. Carlos 98 M3 (cams next) ;-)

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#3. Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:56:20 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts on 9/3/07 9:17 AM, Jason Lombard <jrlombard@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm gathering parts to do a front suspensions R&R next > weekend. One of the parts that I'll be needing is a > pair of upper strut mounts. I've found a guy who is > selling a pair of E46 M3 strut mounts, and tells me > that the updated E46 part fits the E36 M cars. Not > only that, he claims that it's superior to the E36 > strut mount. I'd think carefully about that. While it may be physically possible to install the E46 M3 strut mounts on an E36, they don't have the same angular indexing, meaning that the three holes in the E46 tower sheet metal are in different angular positions than they are on an E36. So if the E46 mounts have any strut shaft offset intended to affect camber or caster, the outcome will be different on an E36. If you're looking to change camber/caster that might be something you can use to your advantage - or not. My experience with this comes from installing E36 adjustable camber plates on an E46 330i, several years ago before proper E46 plates were available. Note that the E46 M3 strut mounts aren't the same as the non-M version, and I don't know what the difference is. Unless you either can try them out on a sale or return basis, or you can find very specific data on what happens when the E46 parts are used on an E36, I'd pass. E36 M3 strut mounts seem to be pretty long-lived. Are you sure yours even need replacing? Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:03:42 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: An M50 intake story... > Actually Ted kind of benefitted from it as the picture I sent of the > O2 sensor connectors was from the CD. I had about a 3 month delay > putting mine back together and w/o that CD I couldn't have done it. > Ahhh, that's where the CD came from! If I buy another E36 M3 some day, I'm going with the Eurosport kit from the start for sure :-) However, the experience has an amazing learning experience so I'm very happy with the results regardless! ted

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#5. Re: [E36M3] m50 intake manifold - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:04:21 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] m50 intake manifold > After doing this with the KO kit, their directions are quite bad, no > pictures, and the kit isn't that great. I ended up modifying the kit > for my own needs... maybe I can sell "improved" KO kits... nah, not > worth the pain :-) > > Yes -- instead of Dr. Vanos, you'd be Dr. Manifold ;-)) *grin*

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#6. Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts - from Jason Lombard
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Lombard <jrlombard@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: E46 Upper Strut Mounts Neil, Thanks for the reply and for the advice. I assure you that I am thinking about it carefully--thus my question to the list. Your assertions are exactly the ones that I have questions about. I'm certainly not going to buy them blindly. I would only buy them if someone on this list said, "Yes, I've done it, and it works fabulously."....or something to that effect. I can assure you that my current ones definitely need replacing. There is a ton of play at the bearing. I think the PO tightened the crap out of the nut with an air gun or something. There's no way that an accurate alignment could be set with the amount of play that is in the bearing. Thanks again for the feedback. Jason Lombard '96 Dakar II/Black > I'd think carefully about that. > > While it may be physically possible to install the > E46 M3 strut mounts on an > E36, they don't have the same angular indexing, > meaning that the three holes > in the E46 tower sheet metal are in different > angular positions than they > are on an E36. So if the E46 mounts have any strut > shaft offset intended to > affect camber or caster, the outcome will be > different on an E36. If you're > looking to change camber/caster that might be > something you can use to your > advantage - or not. > > My experience with this comes from installing E36 > adjustable camber plates > on an E46 330i, several years ago before proper E46 > plates were available. > Note that the E46 M3 strut mounts aren't the same as > the non-M version, and > I don't know what the difference is. > > Unless you either can try them out on a sale or > return basis, or you can > find very specific data on what happens when the E46 > parts are used on an > E36, I'd pass. > > E36 M3 strut mounts seem to be pretty long-lived. > Are you sure yours even > need replacing?

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#7. Re: Suspension R&R - from Matthew Finlay
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:47:34 -0500 From: "Matthew Finlay" <matthew.finlay@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Suspension R&R Hi all. Two questions: (1) aftermarket suspensions - I'm getting the GC Koni SA kit, probably from bimmerworld (they seem to have everything I need, so it makes it a one-stop shop). From your collective experience, how many miles do these shocks accumulate before they need a good R&R done? Koni has the nice lifetime warranty, but the less I have to make use of it the better! (2) various bushing tools - BMW has the expensive tools that anyone can purchase, but I'm not going to do that. I'd prefer to press the bushings in and out instead of ghetto-ing my way through with a sawzall, but Koala doesn't seem to rent tools any more. Do any of you guys have tools for pressing RTABS, front LCABs, and (maybe) rear subframe bushings that you might be willing to loan me for a fee? I take really good care of my stuff, and I pay for anything I damage...alternatively, I'm considering building my own tools out of stuff I've got lying around, so pointers and tips on building tooling would be appreciated (though it honestly does not look very hard). Regards, Matthew

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#8. suspension wear question - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:58:38 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: suspension wear question Group, Lately I've noticed that when I'm loosening my lug bolts (and moving the bar straight up as toward the ceiling), my left side rear wheel will move up significantly too. Rear end jacked up. The right side will move ever so slightly. Both sides are always torqued the same. Is this a sign that my left side RTAB has seen better days, or that my left side Koni DA is bad? Any suggestions? The car just turned 51K, but has 10 years of autox'ing on it. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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#9. RE: [E36M3] suspension wear question - from Stiles
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Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:41:30 -0700 From: "Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] suspension wear question Are you sure this is a new behavior? Could it just be the artifact of the rear swaybar "tying" the left and right wheels? It makes sense that lifting one wheel is going to lift the wheel on the other side via the swaybar... Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] suspension wear question Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:58:38 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: suspension wear question Group, Lately I've noticed that when I'm loosening my lug bolts (and moving the bar straight up as toward the ceiling), my left side rear wheel will move up significantly too. Rear end jacked up. The right side will move ever so slightly. Both sides are always torqued the same. Is this a sign that my left side RTAB has seen better days, or that my left side Koni DA is bad? Any suggestions? The car just turned 51K, but has 10 years of autox'ing on it. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering

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#10. Re: [E36M3] suspension wear question - tail wagging dog! - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:37:07 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] suspension wear question - tail wagging dog! Hi Scott, I think I tried?to be too?brief in my original email question, so?I'll try this again.? The real problem is during autox'ing this year, I can't seem to put down any power coming out of tight turns or even long sweepers...the rear end is just all over the place.? This was not a problem last year, the car felt like it was on rails -- quite intoxicating!? My Hoosiers were new last year, so this is their second season.? !0 events last year, now five more.? At the same time I have noticed that when changing tires, with the rear on jack stands, the left rear suspension "gives" more easily than the right side.? I mean, if I grab the wheel hub and pull up I can get about three inches of travel with little effort, not so easy on the right side - maybe an inch?and I need?more effort too!? Shouldn't the effort be the same from side to side?? What has me thinking?it's the?suspension is that tire grip on the front seems fine, though I run -3.5 degrees camber and that certainly helps the tires do their thing. So my issue is, did my Hoosiers go from champs to chumps, or do I have a bushing / shock problem?? Hope that makes things clearer. As always, TIA Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Stiles <stiles_s@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 1:47 am Subject: RE: [E36M3] suspension wear question Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:41:30 -0700 From: "Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] suspension wear question Are you sure this is a new behavior? Could it just be the artifact of the rear swaybar "tying" the left and right wheels? It makes sense that lifting one wheel is going to lift the wheel on the other side via the swaybar... Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:08 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] suspension wear question Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:58:38 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: suspension wear question Group, Lately I've noticed that when I'm loosening my lug bolts (and moving the bar straight up as toward the ceiling), my left side rear wheel will move up significantly too. Rear end jacked up. The right side will move ever so slightly. Both sides are always torqued the same. Is this a sign that my left side RTAB has seen better days, or that my left side Koni DA is bad? Any suggestions? The car just turned 51K, but has 10 years of autox'ing on it. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

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