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#1. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Matt Bader
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:53:14 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Thanks all for feedback on oil consumption. I will still be monitoring this a bit more closely, but feel a bit relieved. -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:e36m3@kshephard.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:16 PM To: Matt Bader Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Hi, Just to chime in my '97 burns about 1qt every 4K or so. The more you drive at high RPM the higher your consumption. Also I had a '77 530i and a quart every 1K was normal according to BMW. (YIKES!) Kent On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Matt Bader wrote: > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:06:55 -0400 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > Thanks, I will check the owner's manual as I remember it saying > something > about normal consumption. There are no obvious leaks that I can > see but I > need to get under the car more to verify this. Also, when a car > leaks oil > you can smell it, but nothing like that is happening. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:clopez98m3@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:43 PM > To: Matt Bader > Cc: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > On 9/5/07, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: >> My 98 M3 seems to be consuming oil, more than usual. Usual was an >> occasional 1/4 or 1/2 ltr once in a great while. Now it seems to be > getting >> low more consistently. I am going to start tracking it more closely. >> >> Is it normal for the S52 motor to consume some oil? The motor has >> 93k >> miles, and there are no obvious oil leaks. Oil pressure seems >> fine (using >> VDO gauge), no obvious changes. What would be the first course of >> trying > to >> diagnose this issue, valve guides? Car has forced induction, so that >> certainly might be a factor to consider. > > I'd start with a leakdown. My sample is of one, my own '98 M3 and it > doesn't leak or burn any oil. I'm sure it does as all engines do but > none that I can tell between oil changes. My previous '95 M3 didn't > either but all these cars supposedly can burn up to 1 quart every > 3,000 (?) miles or so. The owner's manual has the spec but I don't > ever look at those things. ;-) > > Carlos > 98 M3 103,000 miles > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. So I tried the R888's. - from William Townsend
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:51:08 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: So I tried the R888's. I ran the R888 last week at Watkins Glen. No shaving, right out of the box. At full tread depth these tires were quick. Nothing like the hot marshmallows you get from the unshaved RA-1. I put roughly 300 track miles on them in the first two days there. Then went back on them for another 2 days pushing 380 track miles. Running the RA-1's on the car liked 3.2deg. negative camber up front and 2 deg. negative camber in the rear. The R888 was not real happy with the front camber setting. I basically wore them 2/3 across on the insides down to 1/32nd and the remaining 1/3 on the outside was 4/32nds. The rear was flat across even wear. I will be taking out some front camber to even out the wear. They seem to have quite stiffer sidewalls. The car is a 3100 lb (me,car,fuel) M3 coupe. 700in-lb/850in-lb springs (F/R) Tire was 235/40-R17 on 8.5 in width rim. Hot pressures (43F/41R) seemed to make it handle best. Tried lower in front but car pushed a lot. Rear seemed planted best at 41. Overall, they were much better than RA-1's new. Under heavy braking they seemed better than the RA-1. Once I get them worn more evenly and make some set up changes I should get a better comparison with the RA-1. Event with the significant tread left on the R888, they felt as good as the RA-1 with just the radial grooves left. Oh, and these things are 10mm wider. I had a 5mm space from the shoulder of the RA-1's to the perch on the front, when I went to put the R888 on, there was zero space. Also was getting rubbing in the back a little which never did with the RA-1's. Anyone else out there ran these yet??? Wonder what your findings are!! --Bill 96 M3 coupe
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#3. M3 turned 100K miles at the track... - from William Townsend
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:56:30 -0400 From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> Subject: M3 turned 100K miles at the track... Forgot to mention, my M3 turned 100K Labor Day on track at Watkins Glen. That just seemed poetic turning 100K at wide open throttle during a track session!!! --Bill 96 M3 coupe
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#4. Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:20:51 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption In a message dated 9/5/2007 3:58:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbader@exammaster.com writes: Thanks all for feedback on oil consumption. I will still be monitoring this a bit more closely, but feel a bit relieved. I think the manual states a pretty wide variance for oil consumption. As just another data point, I have 51K miles, and have no noticeable oil consumption between 2,500 mile oil changes using Mobil 1 15w50. For a short time I ran Mobil 1 0w40 and did see some change on the dip stick. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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#5. Re: [E36M3] suspension wear - tail wagging dog - update - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:48:33 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] suspension wear - tail wagging dog - update Group, Thanks for all the great suggestions. Over the last two days I have checked the diff and the shocks -- both test out fine. All mounting points seem secure. I am now very suspicious of the RTAB's. The extra 'slop' on the left side seems to be in a more side-to-side movement, not up and down. I'm sure this is really playing havoc with my toe setting. At this point I'm prepared to replace the RTAB's, any other bushing back there that should be replaced too, like the upper control arm bushings?? Thanks again, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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#6. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:20:37 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Mine uses a quart every 8000 miles or so. It has 109,000 miles on it. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:58 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:53:55 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: S52 Oil Consumption Hello All: My 98 M3 seems to be consuming oil, more than usual. Usual was an occasional 1/4 or 1/2 ltr once in a great while. Now it seems to be getting low more consistently. I am going to start tracking it more closely. Is it normal for the S52 motor to consume some oil? The motor has 93k miles, and there are no obvious oil leaks. Oil pressure seems fine (using VDO gauge), no obvious changes. What would be the first course of trying to diagnose this issue, valve guides? Car has forced induction, so that certainly might be a factor to consider. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM
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#7. Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:34:51 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! on 8/28/07 11:47 AM, Graeme Weston-Lewis <graemewl@yahoo.com> wrote: > If you do not have a proper ball joint splitter, get one. NAPA sells this > unit online. I have never seen it in any of my local stores - you may be more > lucky: http://tinyurl.com/2osb9c Since I never saw a tool I didn't want to own, and also because I've done a lot of suspension installs, I figured this was my cue to follow Graeme's advice and get the right ool. Besides, it was cheap! The NAPA BJ separator arrived today. Then coincidentally I'm inspecting my car this afternoon prior to the weekend at Grattan Raceway, and found that the front end vibration I'd attributed to an out of balance or out of round wheel was actually due to excess play in the driver's side front outer ball joint. Man, does that BJ separator work well! It pops both outer BJ's off quickly and without damaging the rubber boots of any parts you want to reuse. Highly recommended, and more than pays for itself on first use. (I still had to use a highly destructive air chisel/pickle fork on the bulky inner BJ though.) The replacement control arm from PelicanParts.com will be here tomorrow, courtesy of FedEx, and with a couple of hours work I should be back on track - literally and metaphorically. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > lucky: http://tinyurl.com/2osb9c > > Since I never saw a tool I didn't want to own, and also because I've done a > lot of suspension installs, I figured this was my cue to follow Graeme's > advice and get the right ool. Besides, it was cheap! The NAPA BJ separator > arrived today. Looks just like the one from BMW =) Well, the BMW one looks nicer, but so long as it does the job, right? > Man, does that BJ separator work well! It pops both outer BJ's off quickly > and without damaging the rubber boots of any parts you want to reuse. Highly > recommended, and more than pays for itself on first use. (I still had to use > a highly destructive air chisel/pickle fork on the bulky inner BJ though.) Hmmm...I've always dropped the front subframe when doing control arms (to properly torque that inner nut) and once the nut is off, a good whack from a mallet removes said balljoint =) Chester
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#9. Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:03:12 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: NAPA Ball Joint Separator - Yes! on 9/5/07 10:49 PM, Chester Wong at chester_p_wong@yahoo.com wrote: > Hmmm...I've always dropped the front subframe when doing control arms (to > properly torque that inner nut) and once the nut is off, a good whack from a > mallet removes said balljoint =) Dropping the subframe would be worth it to remove and reuse the same control arm, but for a complete replacement the air chisel/pickle fork separates the inner BJ in, literally, a couple of seconds. I use my highly calibrated forearm to torque that nut, aided by a tap on the wrench handle from a mallet as necessary. If the PS fluid reservoir wasn't in the way it'd be possible to pass a long extension down from above, but heck if I'm going to take any more parts off than I have to. Neil 96 M3
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#10. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:16:42 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Ditto on exactly what Bob confirms although I wait a lil longer between changes, 100K miles now. -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:20:51 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption In a message dated 9/5/2007 3:58:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbader@exammaster.com writes: Thanks all for feedback on oil consumption. I will still be monitoring this a bit more closely, but feel a bit relieved. I think the manual states a pretty wide variance for oil consumption. As just another data point, I have 51K miles, and have no noticeable oil consumption between 2,500 mile oil changes using Mobil 1 15w50. For a short time I ran Mobil 1 0w40 and did see some change on the dip stick. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************