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#1. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from driver8 ///M3
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption my '99 consumed about 1qt every 2500 miles regardless of which oil i used (mostly castrol 10/50)...from new all the way until i sold it @ 150k miles. i replaced it with an E46...and that also consumes oil, though not as much (perhaps 1 qt every 5k miles-- mobil 1 15/50). i've always changed my oil at 10k mile intervals.
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#2. Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:16:52 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption As per the BMW internal technical release set out for the S50 US M3, it states that "motorsport engines have an increased maximum oil consumption specification of 2.5 quarts per 1000 miles" :-O I haven't heard anyone getting that much consumption... but that also makes me really wonder why BMW would say that such a high consumption is normal... http://www.brianruiz.net/images/95m3_info.gif Brian build 8/95 On 9/6/07, driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > my '99 consumed about 1qt every 2500 miles regardless of which oil i used > (mostly castrol 10/50)...from new all the way until i sold it @ 150k miles. > i replaced it with an E46...and that also consumes oil, though not as much > (perhaps 1 qt every 5k miles-- mobil 1 15/50). i've always changed my oil at > 10k mile intervals. > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:19:50 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Just to update what oil I use. I use Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40 change it when the lights say to (10,000 miles or so) and burn a quart every 8,000 miles or so. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic 1989 325ix E30 M20 Cinnabar Red Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:19:55 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption It is interesting that perhaps oil viscosity may make a difference. Thanks again, all, for the input. I really appreciate these lists as I am still new to the BMW world. I finally joined the local chapter of BMWCCA. There's a DE event coming up at Pocono in October, but not sure I can be ready for that, so I have my eyes set on Summit Point for April. My work would definitely not permit me to get into the autox right now, as I often work some week-end hours, but the DE sounds like it would be good place to start in any case. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:19 AM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:16:42 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Ditto on exactly what Bob confirms although I wait a lil longer between changes, 100K miles now. -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:28 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:20:51 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption In a message dated 9/5/2007 3:58:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbader@exammaster.com writes: Thanks all for feedback on oil consumption. I will still be monitoring this a bit more closely, but feel a bit relieved. I think the manual states a pretty wide variance for oil consumption. As just another data point, I have 51K miles, and have no noticeable oil consumption between 2,500 mile oil changes using Mobil 1 15w50. For a short time I ran Mobil 1 0w40 and did see some change on the dip stick. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 9/5/2007 2:55 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 9/5/2007 2:55 PM
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#4. Pre-purchase inspection in Ft. Meyers, Fla? - from bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: <bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com> Subject: Pre-purchase inspection in Ft. Meyers, Fla? Looking at a car in Ft. Meyers, Florida - can anyone recommend a place for a pre-purchase inspection in the area? Thanks, Barrett
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Pre-purchase inspection in Ft. Meyers, Fla? - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:06:58 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Pre-purchase inspection in Ft. Meyers, Fla? Barrett, Look up www.bimrs.org. They're the Independent BMW specialists. There's one near you or the closest one will probably know someone. Bill Ft. Worth 2/22/99 Coupe On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:58 PM, <bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com> <bnmhead- bmw@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:50:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: <bnmhead-bmw@yahoo.com> > Subject: Pre-purchase inspection in Ft. Meyers, Fla? > > Looking at a car in Ft. Meyers, Florida - can anyone recommend a > place for a pre-purchase inspection in the area? > > Thanks, > > Barrett > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Mark D
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:31:05 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Brian, My motor with 190,000 miles is consuming over 1 quart per 1000 miles (though not much). I was talking to some old coot about these engines who claims that the clearances throughout the whole motor are super loose which is why it runs so free. Those clearances however cause the engine to consume oil particularly through the rings I assume. Anyway, this was some random old dude but he sounded semi-credible. The weird thing about my consumption is that I pass emissions with flying colors. I think consumption is high only above 3750 rpms or so. I notice drastic difference in consumption based on outside temp, cruising rpm, and how many full throttle pulls I do. Thanks, Mark Brian Ruiz wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:16:52 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > As per the BMW internal technical release set out for the S50 US M3, it > states that "motorsport engines have an increased maximum oil consumption > specification of 2.5 quarts per 1000 miles" :-O I haven't heard anyone > getting that much consumption... but that also makes me really wonder why > BMW would say that such a high consumption is normal... > > http://www.brianruiz.net/images/95m3_info.gif > > Brian > build 8/95 > > On 9/6/07, driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) >> From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption >> >> my '99 consumed about 1qt every 2500 miles regardless of which oil i used >> (mostly castrol 10/50)...from new all the way until i sold it @ 150k miles. >> i replaced it with an E46...and that also consumes oil, though not as much >> (perhaps 1 qt every 5k miles-- mobil 1 15/50). i've always changed my oil at >> 10k mile intervals. >>
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#7. Re: [E36M3] suspension wear - tail wagging dog - update - from Chris Teague
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:51:37 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] suspension wear - tail wagging dog - update Bob, I've replaced all rear bushings on my 97 used for AutoX including the subframe and diff bushings. If you are going to replace the RTAB, I'd consider doing the upper and lower ball joints. Those are in the outer position, and aren't much more difficult to do once you are there except you need a different tool. The inner bushings on both you will need to get pressed out, and I doubt they would need it (mine didn't show any bad signs), but I did them because I was there. ;-) My subframe bushings were starting to tear, and that's what started the whole process. ;-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- > Group, > > Thanks for all the great suggestions. > > Over the last two days I have checked the diff and the shocks -- both test > out fine. All mounting points seem secure. I am now very suspicious of > the > RTAB's. The extra 'slop' on the left side seems to be in a more > side-to-side > movement, not up and down. I'm sure this is really playing havoc with my > toe > setting. At this point I'm prepared to replace the RTAB's, any other > bushing > back there that should be replaced too, like the upper control arm > bushings?? > > Thanks again, > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 >
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#8. RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:43:08 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Mark raises a good point, oil consumption is greatly affected by driving style. Using the engine, (compression) to slow the car vs. the brakes will increase oil burn-off. I personally had a bad experience with this last night. Was following an older Mercedes conv, (obviously a collector car, looked flawless) in heavy traffic down a slow hill. Mechanically flawless however was another story. It was a manual and the driver a bit ignorant apparently. He edged down the hill with no brakes lights, low range engaged to slow yielding tons of smoke out the exhaust. I honestly can't believe there wasn't anyway he couldn't tell what was happening...cars passing the other direction were honking. I'd estimate he burned a quart, no joking. I was flashing my lights, but he probably couldn't see through the smoke it was that bad. I was in such awe by the bat smoke screen that I was slow to hit re-circ on the HVAC and my cabin filled up also. I actually thought he blew a head gasket it was that bad. If only he would've disengaged the clutch, and used the brake. Guess he didn't know much about cars. I was sure to give this supposed enthusiast the german stink eye, easy since by this time I was sporting a horrible burnt oil huffing headache! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Mark D [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:39 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:31:05 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption Brian, My motor with 190,000 miles is consuming over 1 quart per 1000 miles (though not much). I was talking to some old coot about these engines who claims that the clearances throughout the whole motor are super loose which is why it runs so free. Those clearances however cause the engine to consume oil particularly through the rings I assume. Anyway, this was some random old dude but he sounded semi-credible. The weird thing about my consumption is that I pass emissions with flying colors. I think consumption is high only above 3750 rpms or so. I notice drastic difference in consumption based on outside temp, cruising rpm, and how many full throttle pulls I do. Thanks, Mark Brian Ruiz wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:16:52 -0700 > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > As per the BMW internal technical release set out for the S50 US M3, it > states that "motorsport engines have an increased maximum oil consumption > specification of 2.5 quarts per 1000 miles" :-O I haven't heard anyone > getting that much consumption... but that also makes me really wonder why > BMW would say that such a high consumption is normal... > > http://www.brianruiz.net/images/95m3_info.gif > > Brian > build 8/95 > > On 9/6/07, driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:41:40 -0700 (PDT) >> From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption >> >> my '99 consumed about 1qt every 2500 miles regardless of which oil i used >> (mostly castrol 10/50)...from new all the way until i sold it @ 150k miles. >> i replaced it with an E46...and that also consumes oil, though not as much >> (perhaps 1 qt every 5k miles-- mobil 1 15/50). i've always changed my oil at >> 10k mile intervals. >> ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. S52 Oil Consumption - from Robert Manger
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:00:53 -0400 From: "Robert Manger" <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: S52 Oil Consumption Gus, I may have an idea on the chatter you are getting, I used to get it with track time using Mobil 1 0w-40. I now use Amsoil 10w-40 as it has a better additive package compared to the new spec for the euro 5w-40 formula (The new euro spec calls for a reduction in ZDDP, which unfortunately is very good for flat our tappet engines, but not so much for the environment <shrug>). I sent a recent oil sample out for analysis to see if anything had changed after the switch. The oil had 3000 miles with 8 track days, no abnormal wear according to the results and had plenty of life in it, essentially meaning I could have left it in the car and whooped it some more on the track. I came back from the Glen last week with track temps at 93F and no valve chatter at all after I came into the pits and no consumption either, this oil seems to really work well. As an aside, if you have the time to get lost in oil discussions Bobistheoilguy.com is a great resource for oil info, but you have been warned that it can take on a life of its own. I have no affiliation with Amsoil at all, just a happy customer. HTH Rob Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:44:51 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption On the Mobil 1 5w30 I had oil consumption on the order of 1 quart every 1k or so. Switching to Amsoil 5w40 "European Car Formula" has resulted in a massive decrease in consumption. In fact, on our recent Seatte -> ThunderHill -> Seattle trip the car might have used half a quart. I never had to top up. On the other hand, in the heat at ThunderHill and with two drivers I did have some valve train chatter. Not sure what to do there. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
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#10. RE: [E36M3] M3 turned 100K miles at the track... - from Jonathan L.
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:27:43 -0700 From: "Jonathan L." <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 turned 100K miles at the track... I'm proud to say that my M3 cracked 180K mile barrier on track yesterday at my Bachelorwillow party (bachelor party at Buttonwillow raceway). Also managed to get in over 300 track miles, even with a couple of nice, long rest periods. Gotta love that! =-) Also came home with a new-to-me race seat that will be a passenger seat at some point in the near future. (Hi Jim!) ;) Jonathan L. >From: "William Townsend" <wtownsend@juniper.net> >> > >Forgot to mention, my M3 turned 100K Labor Day on track at Watkins Glen. > > >That just seemed poetic turning 100K at wide open throttle during a >track session!!! > _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2