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#1. S52 Oil Consumption - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:31:45 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: S52 Oil Consumption > From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 Oil Consumption > > As per the BMW internal technical release set out for the S50 US M3, it > states that "motorsport engines have an increased maximum oil consumption > specification of 2.5 quarts per 1000 miles" :-O I haven't heard anyone > getting that much consumption... but that also makes me really wonder why > BMW would say that such a high consumption is normal... Not all that hard to figure out, so when a motor uses more oil than normal (such as 1 quart every 1,000 miles), the new owner doesn't go running back to BMW complaining without BMW being able to open the owner's manual and point to that very section and state "it's normal, no new motor for you". :-) Regards, Rich
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#2. E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i - from Dave Hogg
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 06:47:01 -0400 From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> Subject: E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Gruppe, Picked up the new car yesterday. My, how automotive technology has progressed in 9 years! My 11-year-old car nut son says it feels like a limo. My wife says it looks "more mature" and "more like what a businessman should be driving." There's no key, the Bluetooth connectivity is incredible, the thing's quieter and rides as well as our Sienna, the amazing headlights track around a corner with you (really excellent feature) and it's a rocketship. Lights, wipers and rearview are all automatic. The side view mirrors even fold flat so I won't bump them in the garage. It's one of the best stock stereos I've ever heard. And it will keep a drink either cold or warm for you (where was THAT feature when I was in college?). NVH is dramatically improved over the M3/4. It only has 110 miles on it now but it's definitely faster than the E36 with JC intake and Shark injector. That's before adding the piggyback ECU. Now, the sacrifice. If you disable the traction control, the cruise control is locked out. What's with that!? The steering is heavier and slower with a much larger turning radius than the M3/4. The so-crisp-you-could-feel-it-crunch handling of the stock M3 suspension with SA Konis and 8.5" Fikse's with 245/40-17 all around is soooo much better than the E90 sport package! The M3/4 is in a whole different league. Once the suspension takes a set, lateral G's on the 335i may be about the same as the M3/4, but getting it to take a set is a whole different experience that requires a little patience. I'm really gonna miss that handling on the daily commute. What I've learned: I'll be dusting off the Dakar '95 more often. I have a discerning 11-year-old car guy. And life is full of tradeoffs, even for "mature businessmen." Dave Hogg #20 IS '95 M3 SPORTS sedan '07 Titanium Silver Metallic 335i rocketship limo with Terra leather '04 Toyota Sienna Big Hauler '04 Mini Cooper S makes the M3 feel like a limo
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#3. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i - from m3 drvr
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Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:29:36 -0400 From: "m3 drvr" <m3bro@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Dave, Thanks for your input/opinions. Do you notice turbo lag - ever? Also, did you get the Active Steering? Thanks Clyde 98 M3/4 >From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> >Reply-To: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i >Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:47:22 -0500 > >Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 06:47:01 -0400 >From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> >Subject: E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i > >Gruppe, > > > >Picked up the new car yesterday. My, how automotive technology has >progressed in 9 years! My 11-year-old car nut son says it feels like a >limo. My wife says it looks "more mature" and "more like what a >businessman >should be driving." > > > >There's no key, the Bluetooth connectivity is incredible, the thing's >quieter and rides as well as our Sienna, the amazing headlights track >around >a corner with you (really excellent feature) and it's a rocketship. >Lights, >wipers and rearview are all automatic. The side view mirrors even fold >flat >so I won't bump them in the garage. It's one of the best stock stereos >I've >ever heard. And it will keep a drink either cold or warm for you (where >was >THAT feature when I was in college?). NVH is dramatically improved over >the >M3/4. It only has 110 miles on it now but it's definitely faster than the >E36 with JC intake and Shark injector. That's before adding the piggyback >ECU. > > > >Now, the sacrifice. If you disable the traction control, the cruise >control >is locked out. What's with that!? The steering is heavier and slower with >a much larger turning radius than the M3/4. The >so-crisp-you-could-feel-it-crunch handling of the stock M3 suspension with >SA Konis and 8.5" Fikse's with 245/40-17 all around is soooo much better >than the E90 sport package! The M3/4 is in a whole different league. Once >the suspension takes a set, lateral G's on the 335i may be about the same >as >the M3/4, but getting it to take a set is a whole different experience that >requires a little patience. I'm really gonna miss that handling on the >daily commute. > > > >What I've learned: I'll be dusting off the Dakar '95 more often. I have a >discerning 11-year-old car guy. And life is full of tradeoffs, even for >"mature businessmen." > > > >Dave Hogg > >#20 IS '95 M3 SPORTS sedan > >'07 Titanium Silver Metallic 335i rocketship limo with Terra leather > >'04 Toyota Sienna Big Hauler > >'04 Mini Cooper S makes the M3 feel like a limo > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/
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#4. S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? Hey all, I've got a line on some pretty cheap S52 headers and I'm considering the purchase. I'll be needing a new headgasket at some point soon - 137k on the motor and it pretty much only sees abusive use. It *is* in training to be my race car - so I figure that would be the perfect time to throw some better flowing headers on. Question is this. Is it worth it? Will there be any increase in top end if I trade out the S50 headers with the S52 version? Does anyone have any before/after dyno charts of the swap? TIA -jeff 98 Sedan ||| 95 Trackdog ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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#5. Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from Jason Thrasher
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:37:56 -0700 From: "Jason Thrasher" <thrasher.jason@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? If I remember reading correctly, there is some flow advantage to the s52 headers, but you'll need to plug the extra O2 sensor holes. On 9/8/07, Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> > Subject: S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? > > Hey all, > > I've got a line on some pretty cheap S52 headers and I'm considering the > purchase. I'll be needing a new headgasket at some point soon - 137k on the > motor and it pretty much only sees abusive use. It *is* in training to be my > race car - so I figure that would be the perfect time to throw some better > flowing headers on. > > Question is this. Is it worth it? Will there be any increase in top end if > I trade out the S50 headers with the S52 version? Does anyone have any > before/after dyno charts of the swap? > > TIA > > -jeff > 98 Sedan ||| 95 Trackdog > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. RE: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:04:35 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? You should also save some weight over the S50 headers from what I recall. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Thrasher [mailto:thrasher.jason@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:37:56 -0700 From: "Jason Thrasher" <thrasher.jason@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? If I remember reading correctly, there is some flow advantage to the s52 headers, but you'll need to plug the extra O2 sensor holes. On 9/8/07, Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> > Subject: S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? > > Hey all, > > I've got a line on some pretty cheap S52 headers and I'm considering the > purchase. I'll be needing a new headgasket at some point soon - 137k on the > motor and it pretty much only sees abusive use. It *is* in training to be my > race car - so I figure that would be the perfect time to throw some better > flowing headers on. > > Question is this. Is it worth it? Will there be any increase in top end if > I trade out the S50 headers with the S52 version? Does anyone have any > before/after dyno charts of the swap? > > TIA > > -jeff > 98 Sedan ||| 95 Trackdog > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from David Thomas
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:18:45 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? On Saturday 08 September 2007 10:07:22 am Matt Bader wrote: > You should also save some weight over the S50 headers from what I recall. Its a pretty good chunk of weight I think...around 10lbs if I remember right. Anyone know for sure? I try to snipe a pair of S52 manifolds every now and then on eBay. IMO if you get them cheap and you need to pull your S50 manifolds off anyway its a decent little upgrade. If nothing else they look cooler ;-) Dave
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#8. Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from ben@rogueengineering.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ben@rogueengineering.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? I did this mod many cars ago (on the 330ti). At the same time, I had them JetHot coated.  I didn't notice any HP gains, but did discover it make the car LOUDER. Wallet was also $200 lighter (from the JetHot coating).  Best Regards, Ben Liaw Rogue Engineering • 201-444-8150 -----Original Message----- From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Sent: Sat, September 8, 2007 5:17 pm To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:18:45 -0700 From: David Thomas Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? On Saturday 08 September 2007 10:07:22 am Matt Bader wrote: > You should also save some weight over the S50 headers from what I recall. Its a pretty good chunk of weight I think...around 10lbs if I remember right. Anyone know for sure? I try to snipe a pair of S52 manifolds every now and then on eBay. IMO if you get them cheap and you need to pull your S50 manifolds off anyway its a decent little upgrade. If nothing else they look cooler ;-) Dave ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i - from Alex Demsky
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:05:27 -0400 From: Alex Demsky <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Dave, Good to see youre enjoying it! There is quite a difference between the cars its amazing. With the mods Ive done so far the 335 feels significantly faster than my supercharged m3. It feels a lot heavier tho, especially when making quick lane changes. That being said, its still pretty point and shoot. Someone asked about turbo lag....there is none on a stock 335. If you have it tuned then you will feel the "rush" of turbo kicking in pressing you in your seat. I could go on but Im sure Dave wants to enjoy gushing over his new baby. Congrats!Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url]
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#10. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i - from ben@rogueengineering.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ben@rogueengineering.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i We've already had two local customers trade in their E92s (one was a 335 with piggyback, exhaust, springs...the other was 328iX) both for E46 M3s. They both owned them less than a year.  Whatever you do, don't venture over to the E90post.com boards. The average age there must be 18, where a majority of the posts are "kill" threads vs. anything from Mustangs to Minivans.  Best Regards, Ben Liaw <-- (an E36 M3 owner AGAIN, for the 4th time) Rogue Engineering • 201-444-8150
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#11. RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) - from scott
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:24:45 -0700 From: "scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) On a somewhat related note (compact 4 door german sports sedan). I drove an RS4 for the first time this morning. Got to say I was blown away. An audi with great handling, brakes, looks, and (gasp) steering feel. I'm in lust, and really surprised by how different the car felt than my wife's v8 s4 avant. Usually after a test drive I get back into the M3 and I'm refreshed by the feel, feedback, etc. This time it felt slow, dead (responses) and old. :( Gotta go crack open the piggy bank. Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:05:27 -0400 From: Alex Demsky <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Dave, Good to see youre enjoying it! There is quite a difference between the cars its amazing. With the mods Ive done so far the 335 feels significantly faster than my supercharged m3. It feels a lot heavier tho, especially when making quick lane changes. That being said, its still pretty point and shoot. Someone asked about turbo lag....there is none on a stock 335. If you have it tuned then you will feel the "rush" of turbo kicking in pressing you in your seat. I could go on but Im sure Dave wants to enjoy gushing over his new baby. Congrats!Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url] ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************