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#1. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:21:05 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i I had posted not long ago that I had a run in with an '08 535i on a nice open stretch of freeway. Same motor as the 335i I believe but undoubtedly a couple of hundred pounds heavier than the 335i, maybe more. He could not keep up with my supercharged M3 (with my 200 lb son in the car), that was pretty evident. Of course his motor was probably bone stock. A guy brought a 335i to a recent dyno event I attended. Dyno comparisons are suspect, but here are some of the results that day: My '98 E36 M3/4 with Active autowerke Stage II s/c 329whp/271tq Stock '07 335i - 276whp/278tq '06 Cayman w/exhaust upgrade - 278whp/233tq '07 Corvette w/chip upgrade - 348whp/347tq The cooling fan they were using for the test was pretty lame, so I think my real world results, with the benefit of an intercooler, are somewhat higher. The stock E36 motor has a lot of upgrade potential given its relative efficiency, and the comparatively low hp/tq numbers to begin with. It will be interesting to see how much upside potential the 335i motor has. BTW: I just got the intake manifold adapter kit from Eurosport and so I am looking forward to getting that set up. It is basically a cnc machined adapter and a fuel rail cover. Included instructions are extensive from what I can tell. Active will retune the car for me when I upgrade to shrick cams but they say that is a totally wasted mod unless you really free up the exhaust. Matt Bader Delaware -----Original Message----- From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:05:27 -0400 From: Alex Demsky <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i Dave, Good to see youre enjoying it! There is quite a difference between the cars its amazing. With the mods Ive done so far the 335 feels significantly faster than my supercharged m3. It feels a lot heavier tho, especially when making quick lane changes. That being said, its still pretty point and shoot. Someone asked about turbo lag....there is none on a stock 335. If you have it tuned then you will feel the "rush" of turbo kicking in pressing you in your seat. I could go on but Im sure Dave wants to enjoy gushing over his new baby. Congrats!Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url] ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) - from Stiles
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:03:14 -0700 From: "Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) FWIW, the suspension on my M3 is fresh: bilsteins, new bushings, tie rods, rsms, x-brace, strut brace, etc.. Audi has done a great job masking the weight of the RS4 through tuning the suspension and steering while somehow preserving some steering feel. Not an easy trick. I'm sure the weight of the RS4 would rear its head when pushed harder -- especially on bumpy roads. I'll just say that it joins the 996+997 GT3s as the cars that could pull me from the M3 given infinite resources. I thought the e9x M3 might be on the list too, but early reports of poor steering feel and general softness make me think probably not (until the csl...). Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:E36M3Digest@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:07 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:04:58 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) From: "scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > > On a somewhat related note (compact 4 door german sports sedan). I drove > an > RS4 for the first time this morning. Got to say I was blown away. An audi > with great handling, brakes, looks, and (gasp) steering feel. I'm in lust, > and really surprised by how different the car felt than my wife's v8 s4 > avant. > > Usually after a test drive I get back into the M3 and I'm refreshed by the > feel, feedback, etc. This time it felt slow, dead (responses) and old. :( Well then you should get busy updating the suspension in your M3. If a 4,000+ lb all-wheel drive Audi feels sharper and more responsive than your E36 M3, it has either defied physics or you have entered an alternate universe. Gotta go crack open the piggy bank. Don't worry, freshening your E36 M3 suspension will cost nothing even remotely close to a $67k RS4. Regards, Rich
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#3. Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) - from Scott M
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:09:25 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) $80K is a bunch for a compact Audi sedan..... How much better is the RS4 than the S4? I was not at all impressed with the S4. my list of gripes: - steering is waaaaay too overboosted - almost no feel at all - shifter is not precise - hard to be smooth on slow take offs - not sure if clutch engagement or motor tuning is the issue, but it bucks a bit too easily - major pig - understeer city - you can really feel the weight hauling it around a 180 deg on-ramp in anger The magazine test I saw basically said the car is not as capable as a Evo IX on the road course, but costs $50K more. That said, it is a completely different class of car in terms of features, interior quality, materials, luxury, etc. etc. I hate it when magazines do that - like saying a Corvette Z06 beats a 360 Modena for half the money. Ya - but cmon, what would you really rather be driving? There is a reason for that extra $$...... Problem with Audi's is they depreciate like the dickens. So I would expect it won't be too long before you can find used ones for under $50K. Though, not sure I'd want to own a RS4 outside of warrantee.... I guess I'd say the same thing about a E39 M5 too for that matter.... I still think a better use of $80K would be a 2002+ base 911 (light, rwd, 320hp) as the sports car and a used E39 M5 or E55 as the fast sedan!! Or a S6 or S8 or V70R / S60R if you need AWD in your fast sedan. but that's just me :-) Scott On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:07 PM, ben@rogueengineering.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) > From: ben@rogueengineering.com > Subject: RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > > > > Scott, > > > > We had a customer get a 2007 RS4, and we proceeded to upgrade it > with Milltek high flow cat downpipes and non-res exhaust. You can > see/hear the results here: > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXEaw7kqNk] http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=_WXEaw7kqNk > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1NRpnqQ3P4] http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=e1NRpnqQ3P4 > > > > The car is beautiful inside, very typical Audi. Carbon trimming > everywhere, Recaro seats (even in the back!), fantastic controls. > BMW could learn a thing or two from those folks. > > > > However, at $80k (plus $4k in exhaust mods), the car "only" puts > down 310whp (don't remember the torque...wasn't that impressive). > The problem is, the car "feels" heavier than the actual 3900+ curb > weight. Perhaps that permanent AWD that make that car feel like > it's dragging. > > > > There is no way this car is twice the value my 2001 E39 M5 (puts > down 325rwhp). > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfWpP1i4Vk] http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=bMfWpP1i4Vk > > > Best Regards, > Ben Liaw > Rogue Engineering • 201-444-8150 > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > Sent: Sat, September 8, 2007 6:27 pm > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:24:45 -0700 > From: "scott" > Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > On a somewhat related note (compact 4 door german sports sedan). I > drove an > RS4 for the first time this morning. Got to say I was blown away. > An audi > with great handling, brakes, looks, and (gasp) steering feel. I'm > in lust, > and really surprised by how different the car felt than my wife's > v8 s4 > avant. > > Usually after a test drive I get back into the M3 and I'm refreshed > by the > feel, feedback, etc. This time it felt slow, dead (responses) and > old. :( > > Gotta go crack open the piggy bank. > > Scott.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:07 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:05:27 -0400 > From: Alex Demsky > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i > > > Dave, > Good to see youre enjoying it! > > There is quite a difference between the cars its amazing. With the > mods Ive > done so far the 335 feels significantly faster than my supercharged > m3. It > feels a lot heavier tho, especially when making quick lane changes. > That > being said, its still pretty point and shoot. Someone asked about > turbo > lag....there is none on a stock 335. If you have it tuned then you > will feel > the "rush" of turbo kicking in pressing you in your seat. I could > go on but > Im sure Dave wants to enjoy gushing over his new baby. > > Congrats!Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C > M3 ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url] > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#4. RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) - from Stiles
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 23:11:14 -0700 From: "Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) I'm softening a bit on the RS4 after some time has passed, and I think I'll put a few $$ into the M3, but I can't resist addressing a few of Scott's comments: We've owned 3 S4s, 2 2.7tts and currently we have a b5 v8 avant. Though the S4 and RS4 are similar on paper, IMHO the driving experience is a huge upgrade. I really dislike driving my wife's S4. I agree w/all of your comments below, though she has a tip so I can't comment on the S4's clutch. You should really try to get some time behind the wheel of an RS4. It's quite an experience. I agree it's huge $$ for a compact Audi sedan. In fact, MSN-autos reports on "cost of ownership" over 5yrs, and it's *higher* than a 997 C2S due to huge depreciation. Something like a total cost of 74k over 5 years. Finally, re: your recommendation to pick up an '02+ 996, my last "fun" car was in fact an '03 996 that I had for a couple years. After 2.5yrs of ownership, and tons of research, I'd have a hard time sinking my hard earned $$ into any P-car that didn't have a GT3 badge. The mechanicals of the "base" Carreras and Boxsters have been significantly cheapened over their predecessors, IMO. Scott Stiles Ps. Sorry for so much OT on the RS4. I'll try to shift my questions towards upgrades for my M3 :) -----Original Message----- From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) $80K is a bunch for a compact Audi sedan..... How much better is the RS4 than the S4? I was not at all impressed with the S4. my list of gripes: - steering is waaaaay too overboosted - almost no feel at all - shifter is not precise - hard to be smooth on slow take offs - not sure if clutch engagement or motor tuning is the issue, but it bucks a bit too easily - major pig - understeer city - you can really feel the weight hauling it around a 180 deg on-ramp in anger The magazine test I saw basically said the car is not as capable as a Evo IX on the road course, but costs $50K more. That said, it is a completely different class of car in terms of features, interior quality, materials, luxury, etc. etc. I hate it when magazines do that - like saying a Corvette Z06 beats a 360 Modena for half the money. Ya - but cmon, what would you really rather be driving? There is a reason for that extra $$...... Problem with Audi's is they depreciate like the dickens. So I would expect it won't be too long before you can find used ones for under $50K. Though, not sure I'd want to own a RS4 outside of warrantee.... I guess I'd say the same thing about a E39 M5 too for that matter.... I still think a better use of $80K would be a 2002+ base 911 (light, rwd, 320hp) as the sports car and a used E39 M5 or E55 as the fast sedan!! Or a S6 or S8 or V70R / S60R if you need AWD in your fast sedan. but that's just me :-) Scott On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:07 PM, ben@rogueengineering.com wrote:
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#5. Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) - from ben@rogueengineering.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: ben@rogueengineering.com Subject: Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) Those articles comparing similarly powered cars in completely different price ranges are annoying. Wheneven I've been in an Evo8/9, regardless how much power it had (stock to mod), they still FEEL like you're sitting in a $14,000 econo box (with blue Recaro seats, regardless of your exterior color). Then again, comparing the newer B7 RS4 to the new E92 M3 may also be unfair, because of a nearly $10k-$15k price differential. Yet, they do it anyway.  Better interiors and AWD still make it difficult to justify the American-brand like depreciation rates of an Audi.  Owning an Audi can be a double edged sword. During the warranty period, the car is great. It will go through anything you throw at it. It's even pretty fun at the track. Beat it to your heart's content.  After the warranty period, run. Run like the wind. There are exceptions, like Josh's B5 S4 variant (2000-2002), but then again, those cars seem to get modded quite often, and owners of those cars know what to except.  Much could be said for the E39 M5 for maintenance and ownership costs, but in more than 33 months of ownership, I may have less than $1000 of maintenance costs into car (that includes $450 of voluntarily replaced O2 sensors). If anything "major" goes, I do have a contingency plan, with advice passed to me from a former F&I Manager at the local BMW dealer.. Until then, the car is a joy to drive and pleasure to own. Best Regards, Ben Liaw Rogue Engineering • 201-444-8150 -----Original Message----- From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Sent: Mon, September 10, 2007 1:09 am To: ben@rogueengineering.com Cc: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) $80K is a bunch for a compact Audi sedan..... How much better is the RS4 than the S4? I was not at all impressed with the S4. my list of gripes: - steering is waaaaay too overboosted - almost no feel at all - shifter is not precise - hard to be smooth on slow take offs - not sure if clutch engagement or motor tuning is the issue, but it bucks a bit too easily - major pig - understeer city - you can really feel the weight hauling it around a 180 deg on-ramp in anger The magazine test I saw basically said the car is not as capable as a Evo IX on the road course, but costs $50K more. That said, it is a completely different class of car in terms of features, interior quality, materials, luxury, etc. etc. I hate it when magazines do that - like saying a Corvette Z06 beats a 360 Modena for half the money. Ya - but cmon, what would you really rather be driving? There is a reason for that extra $$...... Problem with Audi's is they depreciate like the dickens. So I would expect it won't be too long before you can find used ones for under $50K. Though, not sure I'd want to own a RS4 outside of warrantee.... I guess I'd say the same thing about a E39 M5 too for that matter.... I still think a better use of $80K would be a 2002+ base 911 (light, rwd, 320hp) as the sports car and a used E39 M5 or E55 as the fast sedan!! Or a S6 or S8 or V70R / S60R if you need AWD in your fast sedan. but that's just me :-) Scott On Sep 8, 2007, at 4:07 PM, ben@rogueengineering.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) > From: ben@rogueengineering.com > Subject: RE: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > > > > Scott, > > > > We had a customer get a 2007 RS4, and we proceeded to upgrade it > with Milltek high flow cat downpipes and non-res exhaust. You can > see/hear the results here: > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXEaw7kqNk] http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=_WXEaw7kqNk > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1NRpnqQ3P4] http://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=e1NRpnqQ3P4 > > > > The car is beautiful inside, very typical Audi. Carbon trimming > everywhere, Recaro seats (even in the back!), fantastic controls. > BMW could learn a thing or two from those folks. > > > > However, at $80k (plus $4k in exhaust mods), the car "only" puts > down 310whp (don't remember the torque...wasn't that impressive). > The problem is, the car "feels" heavier than the actual 3900+ curb > weight. Perhaps that permanent AWD that make that car feel like > it's dragging. > > > > There is no way this car is twice the value my 2001 E39 M5 (puts > down 325rwhp). > > > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfWpP1i4Vk] http://www.youtube..com/ > watch?v=bMfWpP1i4Vk > > > Best Regards, > Ben Liaw > Rogue Engineering • 201-444-8150 > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott > Sent: Sat, September 8, 2007 6:27 pm > To: E36M3 > Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:24:45 -0700 > From: "scott" > Subject: RS4 (RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i) > > On a somewhat related note (compact 4 door german sports sedan). I > drove an > RS4 for the first time this morning. Got to say I was blown away. > An audi > with great handling, brakes, looks, and (gasp) steering feel. I'm > in lust, > and really surprised by how different the car felt than my wife's > v8 s4 > avant. > > Usually after a test drive I get back into the M3 and I'm refreshed > by the > feel, feedback, etc. This time it felt slow, dead (responses) and > old. :( > > Gotta go crack open the piggy bank. > > Scott.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Demsky [mailto:hyper_m3@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:07 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i > > Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:05:27 -0400 > From: Alex Demsky > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i > > > Dave, > Good to see youre enjoying it! > > There is quite a difference between the cars its amazing. With the > mods Ive > done so far the 335 feels significantly faster than my supercharged > m3. It > feels a lot heavier tho, especially when making quick lane changes. > That > being said, its still pretty point and shoot. Someone asked about > turbo > lag....there is none on a stock 335. If you have it tuned then you > will feel > the "rush" of turbo kicking in pressing you in your seat. I could > go on but > Im sure Dave wants to enjoy gushing over his new baby. > > Congrats!Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C > M3 ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ > [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url] > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#6. OT: 335i - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:54:07 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: OT: 335i Road and Track has an article on a Vishnu tuned 335i. Stock 335i makes 270whp and 280wtq Ready for this? With just an exhaust and standard off the shelf software, power goes up to 340whp and 400wtq. A TBE (turbo back exhaust without cats) on a 335i with a custom tune should be "out of control". Ahmad PS: Dave by the way with the current hp/weight ratio, the 335i should be an I Stocker ;)
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#7. RE: [E36M3] OT: 335i - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:10:59 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: 335i I can confirm those dyno numbers as I recently attended a dyno event where the 335i pulled 276/278. -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] OT: 335i Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:54:07 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: OT: 335i Road and Track has an article on a Vishnu tuned 335i. Stock 335i makes 270whp and 280wtq Ready for this? With just an exhaust and standard off the shelf software, power goes up to 340whp and 400wtq. A TBE (turbo back exhaust without cats) on a 335i with a custom tune should be "out of control". Ahmad PS: Dave by the way with the current hp/weight ratio, the 335i should be an I Stocker ;) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. M3 - from ed esser
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:11:33 -0400 From: ed esser <eesser@toast.net> Subject: M3 Thanks Sue, I am looking forward to enjoying the expertise of fellow owners of these fine machines. In September of last year I bought what I thought (at that time) was going to be my Ultimate DM, a 1987 E-30 325is with 106k miles from the original owner, then the M3 appeared and my Ultimate Machine was a quick upgrade. "Bubba" is bone stock and almost flawless. The previous two owners have been ignoring a light denoting trouble with the ABS, I was told to ignore the light, that the repair would be very expensive. After talking with the service center that has been maintaining the car for several years I found that the ABS computer was over a thousand dollars. I have a computer ordered from Bavarian Auto Recyclers (with a lifetime warranty) for less than four hundred. Will post the results, I have been told that BMW had problems with this particular module. Regards from East Tennessee, Ed Esser
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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] M3 - from Marco Romani
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:24:49 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] M3 Shameless plug coming I have an ABS computer out of a 96 M3 for sale. If anyone is interested contact me. $250 plus shipping. Marco -----Original Message----- From: ed esser [mailto:eesser@toast.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:17 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] M3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:11:33 -0400 From: ed esser <eesser@toast.net> Subject: M3 Thanks Sue, I am looking forward to enjoying the expertise of fellow owners of these fine machines. In September of last year I bought what I thought (at that time) was going to be my Ultimate DM, a 1987 E-30 325is with 106k miles from the original owner, then the M3 appeared and my Ultimate Machine was a quick upgrade. "Bubba" is bone stock and almost flawless. The previous two owners have been ignoring a light denoting trouble with the ABS, I was told to ignore the light, that the repair would be very expensive. After talking with the service center that has been maintaining the car for several years I found that the ABS computer was over a thousand dollars. I have a computer ordered from Bavarian Auto Recyclers (with a lifetime warranty) for less than four hundred. Will post the results, I have been told that BMW had problems with this particular module. Regards from East Tennessee, Ed Esser ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM
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#10. RE: [E36M3] M3 - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:33:19 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 Welcome to the list Ed. And thanks for the tip on the ABS issue. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware -----Original Message----- From: ed esser [mailto:eesser@toast.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:17 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] M3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:11:33 -0400 From: ed esser <eesser@toast.net> Subject: M3 Thanks Sue, I am looking forward to enjoying the expertise of fellow owners of these fine machines. In September of last year I bought what I thought (at that time) was going to be my Ultimate DM, a 1987 E-30 325is with 106k miles from the original owner, then the M3 appeared and my Ultimate Machine was a quick upgrade. "Bubba" is bone stock and almost flawless. The previous two owners have been ignoring a light denoting trouble with the ABS, I was told to ignore the light, that the repair would be very expensive. After talking with the service center that has been maintaining the car for several years I found that the ABS computer was over a thousand dollars. I have a computer ordered from Bavarian Auto Recyclers (with a lifetime warranty) for less than four hundred. Will post the results, I have been told that BMW had problems with this particular module. Regards from East Tennessee, Ed Esser ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************