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#1. Re: [E36M3] M3 - from Ed MacVaugh
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <macvaugh@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 Ed, Had that problem with mine, did lots of research and talked with lots of folks. A bad pair of solenoids in the ABS pump takes out the output stage of the computer. If you don't replace the pump at the same time, you just burn out the output stage of the new computer. I ordered a pump from Vines, and a computer from Zionsville, got both for around $300 total (2005). Problem is gone for last 100K miles. Both pump and computer are very VIN series specific and depend upon whether you have ASC or not. YMMV (your mileage may vary) Ed ed esser wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:11:33 -0400 > From: ed esser <eesser@toast.net> > Subject: M3 > > Thanks Sue, I am looking forward to enjoying the expertise of fellow > owners of these fine machines. In September of last year I bought > what I thought (at that time) was going to be my Ultimate DM, a 1987 > E-30 325is with 106k miles from the original owner, then the M3 > appeared and my Ultimate Machine was a quick upgrade. > "Bubba" is bone stock and almost flawless. The previous two owners > have been ignoring a light denoting trouble with the ABS, I was told > to ignore the light, that the repair would be very expensive. After > talking with the service center that has been maintaining the car for > several years I found that the ABS computer was over a thousand > dollars. I have a computer ordered from Bavarian Auto Recyclers (with > a lifetime warranty) for less than four hundred. Will post the > results, I have been told that BMW had problems with this particular > module. > Regards from East Tennessee, > Ed Esser
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#2. RE: S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:04:15 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? They look cooler, are lighter, and probably flow 'slightly' better resulting in smoother power delivery. That said the real restriction is the 95 pre-catalytic converter merge. www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=CATS www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=E36E www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=MAN And www.drgas.com/store/home.php used to offer a X-pipe to 'fix' the problem, the last of them sold long ago. KLB -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ben@rogueengineering.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] S52 headers on S50 - any advantage? I did this mod many cars ago (on the 330ti). At the same time, I had them JetHot coated. I didn't notice any HP gains, but did discover it make the car LOUDER. Wallet was also $200 lighter (from the JetHot coating). Best Regards, Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering 201-444-8150
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#3. RE: [E36M3] M3 - from Matt Bader
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:07:00 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 Ed, Thanks for the info. I have an ABS and ASC light issue now. First it was intermittent (every other start cycle), but now the lights are full on. My first check will be break pedal travel sensor, but these other suggestions are helpful should that not resolve the problem. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware (new BMWCCA Member) -----Original Message----- From: Ed MacVaugh [mailto:macvaugh@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:51:20 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <macvaugh@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 Ed, Had that problem with mine, did lots of research and talked with lots of folks. A bad pair of solenoids in the ABS pump takes out the output stage of the computer. If you don't replace the pump at the same time, you just burn out the output stage of the new computer. I ordered a pump from Vines, and a computer from Zionsville, got both for around $300 total (2005). Problem is gone for last 100K miles. Both pump and computer are very VIN series specific and depend upon whether you have ASC or not. YMMV (your mileage may vary) Ed ed esser wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:11:33 -0400 > From: ed esser <eesser@toast.net> > Subject: M3 > > Thanks Sue, I am looking forward to enjoying the expertise of fellow > owners of these fine machines. In September of last year I bought > what I thought (at that time) was going to be my Ultimate DM, a 1987 > E-30 325is with 106k miles from the original owner, then the M3 > appeared and my Ultimate Machine was a quick upgrade. > "Bubba" is bone stock and almost flawless. The previous two owners > have been ignoring a light denoting trouble with the ABS, I was told > to ignore the light, that the repair would be very expensive. After > talking with the service center that has been maintaining the car for > several years I found that the ABS computer was over a thousand > dollars. I have a computer ordered from Bavarian Auto Recyclers (with > a lifetime warranty) for less than four hundred. Will post the > results, I have been told that BMW had problems with this particular > module. > Regards from East Tennessee, > Ed Esser ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from kjk
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> Subject: E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) I am new to the list after purchasing a '95 M3 Avus/Dove but I do have lots of experience tracking my 3800lb+ E34 M5. After driving the M3 only on the street for a few weeks with a GC suspension I can't fathom how I even stayed in the mirrors of M3's on the track (no offense intended to anyone about their driving ability ;-)). There is simply no comparison and the gross weight of the M5 was always there, no matter how good a driver you were or what suspension was on the car. If you threw a pro in the car he could turn good times for MAYBE three laps before the tires and brakes start to lose peformance. In those long corners like T2 at Thunderhill or T6 at Sears, once the car took a set you were limited by the weight and just had to kind of wait while some little Miata went flying by. You could reduce the effect of the weight by double-apexing and other adjustments but physics is physics. One option when buying the M3 was to sell my M5 and maybe buy an E46 M3 as a street/track car. HOwever, I just didn't want to track another heavy car given experience in the M5. As for the E90 335i, isn't that also like 3400lbs+? No LSD? Bye, bye warranty on the ECU flash? Not sure the wife would look kindly on me voiding the warranty on a $50k car. Plus, with the price differential between even a pristine E36 M3/4 and 335i it is kind of an apples and oranges comparison. Kevin Kelly '95 M3 '91 M5 '00 323iT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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#5. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from Marco Romani
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:13:54 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) I've also heard the 335i has cooling issues. I would be very wary of significantly upping the hp on the car w/o addressing the cooling. Given that people either love Vishnu or hate them. I'm holding out for the 335tdi. The hard top cab would be nice ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: kjk [mailto:quierom5@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> Subject: E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) I am new to the list after purchasing a '95 M3 Avus/Dove but I do have lots of experience tracking my 3800lb+ E34 M5. After driving the M3 only on the street for a few weeks with a GC suspension I can't fathom how I even stayed in the mirrors of M3's on the track (no offense intended to anyone about their driving ability ;-)). There is simply no comparison and the gross weight of the M5 was always there, no matter how good a driver you were or what suspension was on the car. If you threw a pro in the car he could turn good times for MAYBE three laps before the tires and brakes start to lose peformance. In those long corners like T2 at Thunderhill or T6 at Sears, once the car took a set you were limited by the weight and just had to kind of wait while some little Miata went flying by. You could reduce the effect of the weight by double-apexing and other adjustments but physics is physics. One option when buying the M3 was to sell my M5 and maybe buy an E46 M3 as a street/track car. HOwever, I just didn't want to track another heavy car given experience in the M5. As for the E90 335i, isn't that also like 3400lbs+? No LSD? Bye, bye warranty on the ECU flash? Not sure the wife would look kindly on me voiding the warranty on a $50k car. Plus, with the price differential between even a pristine E36 M3/4 and 335i it is kind of an apples and oranges comparison. Kevin Kelly '95 M3 '91 M5 '00 323iT ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM
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#6. Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:25:12 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) Hi, It seems that all 335s were not fitted with the oil cooler. I forget the parameters but cars w/out tenet to heat up the oil and go into limp mode. Kent On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Marco Romani wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:13:54 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat > cars) > > I've also heard the 335i has cooling issues. I would be very wary of > significantly upping the hp on the car w/o addressing the cooling. > > Given that people either love Vishnu or hate them. > > I'm holding out for the 335tdi. The hard top cab would be nice ;-) > > Marco >
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#7. 255/40 all season tire recommendation - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:41:47 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a real set of summers. Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? Patrick 97 M3/4 Still wheely hurting
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#8. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from Marco Romani
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:46:52 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) I've never actually looked closely under the hood of a 335i. The 335tdi we used for the 25hour last year had an oil/water heat exchanger off the oil filter housing. And an extra little radiator plumbed into the stock h2o cooler. And we melted a piston. So does the 335i have an actually oil cooler or a heat exchanger? If the latter then all you're doing is transferring heat from the oil to the water and if the radiator hasn't been upgraded I'd suspect you don't have enough cooling capacity for really extended application higher boost at places like a track. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:e36m3@kshephard.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:25 AM To: Marco Romani Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) Hi, It seems that all 335s were not fitted with the oil cooler. I forget the parameters but cars w/out tenet to heat up the oil and go into limp mode. Kent On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Marco Romani wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:13:54 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat > cars) > > I've also heard the 335i has cooling issues. I would be very wary of > significantly upping the hp on the car w/o addressing the cooling. > > Given that people either love Vishnu or hate them. > > I'm holding out for the 335tdi. The hard top cab would be nice ;-) > > Marco > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM
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#9. Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:56:13 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) Some 335s have an oil cooler. I forget the combination that lands you one. It may be sport package with manual. Non-sport package models do not get an oil cooler. I think they have changed that and all newer ones will get an oil cooler. I'd have to go dig up a recent magazine that indicated the issues and combinations. Kent On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Marco Romani wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:46:52 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat > cars) > > I've never actually looked closely under the hood of a 335i. The > 335tdi we > used for the 25hour last year had an oil/water heat exchanger off > the oil > filter housing. And an extra little radiator plumbed into the > stock h2o > cooler. And we melted a piston. > > So does the 335i have an actually oil cooler or a heat exchanger? > If the > latter then all you're doing is transferring heat from the oil to > the water > and if the radiator hasn't been upgraded I'd suspect you don't have > enough > cooling capacity for really extended application higher boost at > places like > a track. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:e36m3@kshephard.com] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:25 AM > To: Marco Romani > Cc: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) > > > Hi, > > It seems that all 335s were not fitted with the oil cooler. > I forget the parameters but cars w/out tenet to heat up the oil and > go into limp mode. > > Kent > > On Sep 10, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Marco Romani wrote: >
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#10. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) - from Alex Demsky
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:01:09 -0400 From: Alex Demsky <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars) Pre March builds unless you got the sport package and the manual tranny, you got shafted on the oil cooler. Technically, if you had the sport package and the steptronic you were supposed to get the oil cooler(as it was stated on the window sticker) but they were delivered without them. There have been quite a few people who went through BMWNA and had them retrofitted through the dealer at no cost. Its an actual oil cooler that can be found in the passenger side front wheel well. Theres fins infront of the tire. If you dont have them then youre SOL. The cars that were overheating in the magazines were auto's delivered without the oil cooler. Another running change in March builds was a higher oil temp gauge that goes to 340 instead of 300. Without the oil cooler cars were hitting 300 and going into limp mode. I have yet to see past 250 on my car and thats running it hard. Also, to the person who said that you would void your warranty with the Vishnu PROcede, they are incorrect. Both dealerships I go to know my mods and have covered multiple issues(including an o2 sensor) under warranty. Unless the issue is directly related to the mod, they cannot void your warranty. Speaking of the PROcede, I just ordered v2 for it last week. That should bring hp/tq figures up to 380/380 to the wheels. :-)Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url]> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:51:54 -0500> From: marco@corsa-na.com> To: e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars)> > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:46:52 -0700> From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com>> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] E36 M3/4 vs. E90 335i (tracking fat cars)> > So does the 335i have an actually oil cooler or a heat exchanger? If the> latter then all you're doing is transferring heat from the oil to the water> and if the radiator hasn't been upgraded I'd suspect you don't have enough> cooling capacity for really extended application higher boost at places like> a track.> > Marco