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#1. RE: [E36M3] let's do front suspension work too! - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:07:21 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] let's do front suspension work too! Bob, I was thinking of going with the e30 control arms myself. I believe they are half the weight (8 lbs v 4 lbs) of the stock components. Where are you planning to source those? Not only does the list make you spend money, but my work productivity has decreased by 50% since joining this list! Regards, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 New BMWCCA Member -----Original Message----- From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:52 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] let's do front suspension work too! Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:52:07 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: let's do front suspension work too! Group, Well since I'm in the process of replacing most if not all of my rear bushings (with RE polyurethane no less), I've decided the front end could use an update too.? Question for the group, are the e30 aluminum control arms worth the price and?does the offset control arm bushing really improve handling that much?? Once again, TIA And can't say in enough, this group rocks!? You also make me spend money -- but for all the right reasons ;-)) cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe -- with old, tired?bushings :-( Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:12:08 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation I did some research and came up with the Kumho Ecsta ASX as being a highly rated tire, and quiet. I use them now as an all-season tire, and push my car hard. However, I am new to the car, and don't have much to offer in terms of comparing them to other all season tires. They have them in 245's but not sure about 255's. I paid $130 each for the rear 245's and just put 235's on the front for winter at $125 apiece. In the spring I want to get the summer tires and lighter wheels, but these will do me for the winter months since I try to avoid snow like the plague anyway. If anyone else knows anything about these tires please let me know so I have a reference point on whether it was good purchase decision or not. Thanks. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Goss, Patrick - PA [mailto:Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:02 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners increases your M3's durability factor!!!! Patrick <http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Hydro_final.png> ________________________________ From: Goss, Patrick - PA Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:42 PM To: E36M3 Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a real set of summers. Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? Patrick 97 M3/4 Still wheely hurting ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:16:24 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Patrick, I don't think you are being ignored, but I would guess most of us on this group have never used all season tires on their M3s. They came with summer high performance and I and most of the others on this list use hp summer and hp winters and I'm reasonably certain that is true for a majority of the regulars on this list. Even my wife has summer/winters on her RX-8. My only point of reference is my son who uses the Avon all season tires on his Eclipse and is happy with them. Sorry Carey Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > > I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even > a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners > increases your M3's durability factor!!!! > -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Vikas.Sinha@zf.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:25:57 -0400 From: <Vikas.Sinha@zf.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Matt, As requested, I have one data point. I put the ASX's on my wife's old Jetta, and I thought they were decent enough in the wet -- i.e. they were round and black and never scared me -- but they were terrible in the snow. Since you avoid snow, it may be a moot point for you, but I wouldn't use those tires if my car saw any snow at all. In this case, all-season means three-season. (For a frame of reference, her car previously had Hakkapeliittas in the winter and the M3 has Bridgestone LM-22's in the winter.) Vik 97 M3/4 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:12:08 -0400 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > > I did some research and came up with the Kumho Ecsta ASX as being > a highly rated tire, and quiet. [...] In the spring I want to get > the summer tires and lighter wheels, but these will do me for the > winter months since I try to avoid snow like the plague anyway. > > If anyone else knows anything about these tires please let me know > so I have a reference point on whether it was good purchase > decision or not. Thanks.
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from David Ngo
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Well, Ione question I have is - why do you want to use all season tires in the winter if you intend to go with a true summer tire? Might as well go with something like a LM-25 or Dunlop M3, which will give you similar performance to an all season in the dry but will have superior performance in snow. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:01:55 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners increases your M3's durability factor!!!! Patrick <http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Hydro_final.png> ________________________________ From: Goss, Patrick - PA Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:42 PM To: E36M3 Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a real set of summers. Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? Patrick 97 M3/4 Still wheely hurting ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www..elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] let's do front suspension work too! - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:30:36 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] let's do front suspension work too! The E30 Control arms are Lighter, but they are not any stronger than the E36 Control arms. So, if the car will be driven on the street, I'd highly recommend against this (Control arm failure is not something I want to endure, I've seen it, not pretty). If its track only, I could see doing this, but there may be others on this list who can sound off about this. Not sure if there is increased risk for track only use on E36, I have a track only E36 M3 (prepared class build up), and I still run stock E36 M3 Control arms. In any event, just be careful, weight reduction is a great thing, as long as its safe.
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#7. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:33:40 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Agreed. I almost wiped out in about one inch of snow on the ASX's and provided a great show for the drivers around me. I should have charged them for the lessen in pulling out of a slide. -----Original Message----- From: Vikas.Sinha@zf.com [mailto:Vikas.Sinha@zf.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: mbader@exammaster.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Matt, As requested, I have one data point. I put the ASX's on my wife's old Jetta, and I thought they were decent enough in the wet -- i.e. they were round and black and never scared me -- but they were terrible in the snow. Since you avoid snow, it may be a moot point for you, but I wouldn't use those tires if my car saw any snow at all. In this case, all-season means three-season. (For a frame of reference, her car previously had Hakkapeliittas in the winter and the M3 has Bridgestone LM-22's in the winter.) Vik 97 M3/4 > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:12:08 -0400 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > > I did some research and came up with the Kumho Ecsta ASX as being > a highly rated tire, and quiet. [...] In the spring I want to get > the summer tires and lighter wheels, but these will do me for the > winter months since I try to avoid snow like the plague anyway. > > If anyone else knows anything about these tires please let me know > so I have a reference point on whether it was good purchase > decision or not. Thanks.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:29:15 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation I didn't respond initially since my interests have been in a HP tire instead of all season. I loved the S03s I had. Great on street and track. Never had any issues in the rain but I didn't make a habit of driving my M3 when it rained. The Pirelli P-Zero Nero M&S tires weren't as sticky but their strength is lots-o-mileage, not grip. Again, not much rain driving. Although I did put a weekend on them at Reno-Fernley when we got snow and rain while driving on track. Had to be careful. I was waiting to replace a broken track wheel at the time so no r-comps. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > > I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even > a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners > increases your M3's durability factor!!!! > > > > Patrick <http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Hydro_final.png> >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:31:53 -0700 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation PS.... 255s on 8.5" wheels are just fine :-) I've been running them for years both on the street, 255/35-18, and on the track, 255/40-17. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > > I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even > a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners > increases your M3's durability factor!!!! > > > > Patrick <http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Hydro_final.png> > > ________________________________ > > From: Goss, Patrick - PA > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:42 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation > > > > Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already > rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? > > > > Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various > cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the > M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons > obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very > reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a > real set of summers. > > > > Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? > > > > > Patrick > > 97 M3/4 > > Still wheely hurting > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#10. RE: let's do front suspension work too! - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:42:22 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: let's do front suspension work too! Aluminum control arms don't buy much, if anything other than look cool when polished. Use the factory CAs as the M3 units have larger outer ball joint (or was it a larger inner BJ?). Additionally, aluminum has a finite fatigue life and these units need to be replaced before they fail, often. The offset LCA bushings add caster to the front end of the 95 M3, the Guide Supports or upper bearing plates of the 96+ M3 (different than the 95 M3s) add caster and utilize a (more) centered LCA bearing/bushing. 95 M3 offset bushings used on a 96+ M3 add to much caster, push the front wheels too far forward, and can cause tire-to-fender rubbing issues in some cases. KLB -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:52:07 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: let's do front suspension work too! Well since I'm in the process of replacing most if not all of my rear bushings (with RE polyurethane no less), I've decided the front end could use an update too. Question for the group, are the e30 aluminum control arms worth the price and does the offset control arm bushing really improve handling that much? Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe -- with old, tired?bushings :-( Philly Region SCCA - 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering
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#11. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:46:41 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Thanks for the response and others I see ;) To answer your question about using an all-season in the winter, I won't. This car never sees snow, and I don't like running summers in the cold weather even on the dry days. Running an all-season year round also limits mileage on the more expensive summer/stickier type tires. Not that I've driven on strict winter tyres yet or attempting to stray from the original topic, but I've never been one to chose a tire for a few days of the year, as getting stuck in the snow with this vehicle isn't going to happen. -----Original Message----- From: David Ngo [mailto:rudngo@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Well, Ione question I have is - why do you want to use all season tires in the winter if you intend to go with a true summer tire? Might as well go with something like a LM-25 or Dunlop M3, which will give you similar performance to an all season in the dry but will have superior performance in snow. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:01:55 AM Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners increases your M3's durability factor!!!! Patrick <http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Hydro_final.png> ________________________________ From: Goss, Patrick - PA Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:42 PM To: E36M3 Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a real set of summers. Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? Patrick 97 M3/4 Still wheely hurting ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www..elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************