E36M3 #5396

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 14:32:59

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#1. RE: OT: 335i - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#2. Re: let's do front suspension work too! - from Neil Maller
#3. RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jonathan Evans
#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Matt Bader
#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: let's do front suspension work too! - from Kent L. Shephard
#6. Need new R-Comps - from Gus Iverson
#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jamie Howton
#8. Re: [E36M3] Need new R-Comps - from Jim Bassett
#9. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Stiles
#10. RE: 255/40 all season tire recommendation - from Burgess, Kim L

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#1. RE: OT: 335i - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:55:01 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: 335i Raza, The oil cooler has solved the 'motor frying out' problem. Few folks who are tracking them out on the west coast with mods are seeing stable water/oil temps. On a side note (regarding tracking fat cats), the new E93 M3 is going to be a 3600lb car with 415hp and 300tq. For the value, I am seriously considering a 335i. Add a diff, KW Variant 3s, brake ducting, chip and exhaust you have a car which is 200lbs lighter than the M3 variant, same horsepower and 200 more ft tq. Add 275 R comps to the mix and you have a track terrorizer which you can drive everyday with ease. Ahmad PS: As for the increase in power and cooling; My Sti is around 380hp/400tq on stock IC and radiator; cooling is not an issue. -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:08:47 -0700 From: "Raza Uddin" <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: 335i I've heard that the 335s were pretty marginal on cooling, even for stock trim, in an aggressive environment (i.e track, heavy boosting). Are these cars able to be regularly driven hard without reliability issues? I can only imagine the increase in temps from adding more than 25% more power and neglecting adding any more cooling capacity. Drive Safely, Raza

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#2. Re: let's do front suspension work too! - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:59:41 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: let's do front suspension work too! on 9/11/07 11:11 AM, mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Question for the group, are the e30 aluminum control arms worth the > price? I'll answer your question with a question: Why would you want to use control arms which were engineered for a much lighter car but are made of material with a limited fatigue life, and that have weaker ball joints than your existing arms? Oh, and which cost 50% more? There is of course a weight savings, although since most of that is sprung weight the benefit isn't as much as it might be. If you're competing in Mod and are interested in those last ounces of weight reduction plus have a generous preventative maintenance budget including scheduled and frequent control arm replacements, then maybe. > and does the offset control arm bushing really improve handling that > much? No. They add caster, which was already done to the 96+ M3, and in a better way at that, with offset axis strut hats. See how much money I just saved you? <g> Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD

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#3. RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:16:37 -0400 From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Uh, the size threw me off. How about some nice Kumho Ecsta ASX All season in 245/40-17? They are not great in 100 degree weather, but are AWESOME in hard rain and not scary like the Ecsta 712's in very light freezing rain/sleet/snow. Those of us with daily driver commuter M3's shod with all season rubber are just too embarrassed to talk about it I guess. While I'm confessing, I have a dent the size of a softball on my car that I haven't had fixed in 3 years. :( Oh the shame... 95 M3Jonathan E.NC

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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:38:07 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Fix the dent! -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Evans [mailto:jonathanevans@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:22 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:16:37 -0400 From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Uh, the size threw me off. How about some nice Kumho Ecsta ASX All season in 245/40-17? They are not great in 100 degree weather, but are AWESOME in hard rain and not scary like the Ecsta 712's in very light freezing rain/sleet/snow. Those of us with daily driver commuter M3's shod with all season rubber are just too embarrassed to talk about it I guess. While I'm confessing, I have a dent the size of a softball on my car that I haven't had fixed in 3 years. :( Oh the shame... 95 M3Jonathan E.NC ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: let's do front suspension work too! - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:07:13 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: let's do front suspension work too! Hi, Even when I had my E30 M3, I opted for steel CA. The Aluminum were known to fail, and often. When I did the suspension on my e36, I used OEM Lemforder (SP?). Kent

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#6. Need new R-Comps - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:53:09 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Need new R-Comps Sorry for yet another tire thread (YATT) but I need to pick up some more rubber for the last several events of the season. Right now my list of likely suspects are (all shaved if necessary) in the typical 235/40/17 size on a 17x8 wheel: (coilovers, lowered, non-rolled fenders that I'm considering rolling next year) Toyo RA-1 (what I currently use) Toyo 888 Nito NT-01 I'm looking for driving school use only tires and preferably something that provides RA-1 performance and wear, but obviously the RA-1s are going to be getting mighty scarce soon so I'm open to trying something new now. So... Thoughts on the other two? Should I be considering anything else?

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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:09:29 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even > a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners > increases your M3's durability factor!!!! Hi Patrick, Sorry I didn't respond, however I have no relevant experience with all season tires, I haven't used them for 10 years on any car. The last time I did try them I think they were some Michelin Pilot A/S tire and they really sucked despite being expensive. Also, a 255 width tire is pretty oversized for our cars, I can't really see the point especially when you are choosing a type of tire that performs marginally in all conditions. Regards Jamie

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Need new R-Comps - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Need new R-Comps On Tue, September 11, 2007 11:01 am, Gus Iverson wrote: > Toyo RA-1 (what I currently use) > Toyo 888 > Nito NT-01 I'm a big fan of the RA-1s, so that would still be a good suggestion. I've driven on an old set of NT-01s as well as been a passenger in a car shod with same but newer (Hi Jonathan! :-)) - I like them very much and they will most likely be my next race tire. Stiffer sidewall than the RA-1s - granted, I'm used to 235/45/17 RA-1s - and very grippy. Similar to the Kumho Victoracers that I currently race on. I've ridden in an M3 on the Toyo 888, and they too seemed like a good tire. Similar feedback/comments as the Nitto. They do have a tread pattern reminiscent of the Yoko A032, so they can be a bit noisy. I'm sure there's folks here that have direct experience with the newer tires that can give you better feedback. But for a drivers school/instructing tire, I'm still in the "RA-1 camp". Jim Bassett

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#9. RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation - from Stiles
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:55:06 -0700 From: "Stiles" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation And just to pile on this point: if you're buying all-season for rain/snow, they're marginal to begin with and the extra width (especially going from 225->255 in front) will really suck in terms of hydroplaning and snow traction. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Howton [mailto:jhowton@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:12 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:09:29 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 255/40/17 all season tire recommendation > I know all-season tire talk on M3s may be a boring subject, but not even > a single response? Please remember that helping fellow M3 owners > increases your M3's durability factor!!!! Hi Patrick, Sorry I didn't respond, however I have no relevant experience with all season tires, I haven't used them for 10 years on any car. The last time I did try them I think they were some Michelin Pilot A/S tire and they really sucked despite being expensive. Also, a 255 width tire is pretty oversized for our cars, I can't really see the point especially when you are choosing a type of tire that performs marginally in all conditions. Regards Jamie ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#10. RE: 255/40 all season tire recommendation - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:27:17 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: 255/40 all season tire recommendation These won't be of much use in the snow, as many have mentioned already. A 255 width also kinda defeats the purpose of going to an 'all season" (read: rain tire) as the idea is to go narrower than stock and slightly taller so as to 'cut' through, not float on top of, the puddles. KLB -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:41:47 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: 255/40 all season tire recommendation Subject would be going on the stock wheels (rear fenders already rolled), can anyone recommend a decent all-season tire? Having run numerous falken azenis/and their ziex all-seasons on various cars over the years I'm inclined to go with the latest ziex 912 for the M3. I'm sure there are better, (and worse), but as they are all-seasons obviously I don't expect more than what is realistic. They are very reasonably priced which is a good thing as it leaves tire money for a real set of summers. Thoughts, alternatives, bewares, 255 fitment issues on 8.5 stock wheel? Patrick 97 M3/4 Still wheely hurting

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