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#1. Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Scott M
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:56:18 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 An alternative that is worth consideration is leasing a new 335i sedan. The rates are very good, so you tie up almost no cash, and drive a worry free car with maint and repair covered for 50K miles. The 335i runs very similar 0-60 and 1/4mi times to a E39 M5, probably over 80mph the M5 will have more legs, but that is jail time territory so doesn't matter so much here in the US anyway. Backseat room is pretty comparable to the E39, although the E90 is slightly narrower, but over-all plenty of room for 2-3 kids back there and the occasional client. I have similar needs with 2 older kids (pre-teens) and a job in sales. I have been driving my Nissan Titan pick-up way too much and almost never driving my '69 Camaro, so I am thinking of selling it and getting something more practical. On my short list are: 335i M3 (E36 sedan or E46 - back seat not 100% required for me, but it is a major plus) S4 Avant (only because the wagon form factor is so useful for me as an avid cyclist and active drummer / keyboardist hauling gear around) C32 AMG (although lack of manual trans is killing it for me...) E39 M5 is on the longer *maybe* list. I owned a 2000 and dumped it when the CPO ran out. I was scared of the repair cost risk, and still am to some degree - although probably less so now that I have the truck I would only end up logging about 10K miles / year on the "fun car", instead of 15-18K that I used to do. Scott On Sep 16, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Jamie Howton wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:35:43 -0500 > From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > >> I haven't researched the M5 and would love any feedback on the >> 2000 / 01. >> It would be ideal to pick up a 2000 with 75k ish that was well >> maintained. >> Any known issues to watch for other than the standard fare? > > Shel, > > Check out www.m5board.com, there is a lot of information there about > these cars. I had a 2000 for 19 months and think I must have had a > "bad one". I bought it at 52K from a guy in Long Island NY, it was > pristine with all the maintenance records from BMW. During the time > it was under warranty, the dealer replaced $12K worth of stuff from > Rear Main Seal to both catalytic converters, one Vanos unit and > numerous sensors. It drank oil at an average (over most of the 19 > months) of 950mL/1000 miles and that is using the Castrol TWS 10W60 at > $8/L. I also found the clutch pedal to be a tad heavy for > stop-and-go traffic. The final straw for me was the driveshaft went > out at 92K miles, I had just had enough and sold it for $20K which was > more than the local dealer would give me in trade (I was ofered $18K). > > All that being said it is an awesome car. It's the kind of car that > you just can't use 100% of without getting into legal difficulties > quickly; they are just so fast and are very comfortable at the same > time. I might someday buy one again, but not a 2000. I would look > for the latest, lowest mile 03 out there. > > Regards > > Jamie > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Scott M
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:58:17 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Amen to that - 996's are cheaper than 993's now!! On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:58 PM, M540 wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:49:50 -0400 > From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > Shel, > > Please let me know how you ultimately do on your Boxster. All it > takes is > one buyer, and a super-nice car can certainly get a premium. I'm very > interested though as my first reaction was the same as Paul's. I'd be > looking for a Boxster S immediately if it wasn't for the kid issue > but I'm > still considering it. I was figuring $25-25k would get me a 2003, > which > seem to command a pretty good premium due to a significant refresh > that > year. I may be wrong though, as I have been for years regarding > the failure > of 993 prices to drop faster. :( > > Kevin > > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:37:56 EDT > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > Not here in Orlando. Check auto trader. You're way off unless > the car is > a dog. > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#3. RE: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Scott
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:52:20 -0700 From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 ...and for good reason (IMO). Scary how many boxsters and 996s you see in the classifieds noting "new engine" or "new transmission". I even saw one the other day being sold w/a blown engine. I think this is really going to come back to bite Porsche. Seems like a "certified" boxster or 996 might be a decent play, but I personally wouldn't touch one w/o a warranty with a 10' pole. I jumped ship on my purchased-new '03 996 after a little over 2 years. It depreciated a "new miata", and grenade a tranny in the process. Didn't feel like a wise long term ownership prospect. Scott (shopping for a new Miata to add to the fleet -- my third (Miata)) -----Original Message----- From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:58:17 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Amen to that - 996's are cheaper than 993's now!! On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:58 PM, M540 wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:49:50 -0400 > From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > Shel, > > Please let me know how you ultimately do on your Boxster. All it > takes is > one buyer, and a super-nice car can certainly get a premium. I'm very > interested though as my first reaction was the same as Paul's. I'd be > looking for a Boxster S immediately if it wasn't for the kid issue > but I'm > still considering it. I was figuring $25-25k would get me a 2003, > which > seem to command a pretty good premium due to a significant refresh > that > year. I may be wrong though, as I have been for years regarding > the failure > of 993 prices to drop faster. :( > > Kevin >
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure - from Alex Demsky
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:13:54 -0400 From: Alex Demsky <hyper_m3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure I was too lazy back in the day when I installed my bilsteins but is it necessary to trim the bumpstops? Does the ride quality improve? Dont I have to disassemble the whole shock to do it?Alex "HyperM3" Demsky 07 BMW 335i ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Hyper335.html[/url]97 BMW S/C M3 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html[/url]07 Ducati 695 ~ [url]http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Ducati695.html[/url]> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:28:39 -0500> From: chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure> > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:26:24 -0700 (PDT)> From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure> > The RSM pushing through is indicative of a missing washer.> > http://tinyurl.com/2bjxm8> > Do you have part #6 and #10 in that diagram?> > Also, I've cut the bumpstops years ago and have probably 80k miles on my> current RSMs and no cracks....> > Regards,> Chester
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#5. BMW Lease - was: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:35:56 -0800 From: "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: BMW Lease - was: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Last spring I was in the market for a new car for my wife. I looked into BMW leasing as an option because what I wanted was a reliable, safe car for the next two years at which point I want to get some sort of next generation diesel. Unfortunately I found the BMW leasing to be a complete rip-off. A lowly 325xi ended up being more than $700 per month to lease. I ended up buying her an Audi A4 2.0T. Audi doesn't actually lease vehicles, but they do structure loans like a lease through Audi financial. With $4K down, my payments on the A4 ended up being $392 per month. That included a 15K per year mileage increase, plus a 50K mile maintenance agreement (something you get for free with the BMW). The 2.0T is a bit of a dog, though it does produce decent torque. No sense in mashing the pedal to the floor, it doesn't really go any faster. The interior/exterior is gorgeous and the car drives nicely. 25MPG mixed, 30MPG highway... I just can't complain. Oh, and insurance was lower. I think BMW is loosing their way. Audi/VW is doing a better job meeting the needs of the smart driver. There was little the xi had to offer over the A4, and certainly not for the price difference. I plan on keeping my M3 until the 135 comes out, then, if that car is anything like I hope it will be, I will replace my M3 with the 135 and give my M3 to my son for a college graduation present. No sense in letting it leave the family. ;) -Matthew -----Original Message----- From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:56:18 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 An alternative that is worth consideration is leasing a new 335i sedan. The rates are very good, so you tie up almost no cash, and drive a worry free car with maint and repair covered for 50K miles. >snip<
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#6. Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Scott M
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:11:30 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 The best thing about a Miata is it can only depreciate a total of "one Miata" and it sure won't do that in 2-3 years!! haha Scott On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Scott wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:52:20 -0700 > From: "Scott" <stiles_s@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > ..and for good reason (IMO). Scary how many boxsters and 996s you > see in > the classifieds noting "new engine" or "new transmission". I even > saw one > the other day being sold w/a blown engine. I think this is really > going to > come back to bite Porsche. > > Seems like a "certified" boxster or 996 might be a decent play, but I > personally wouldn't touch one w/o a warranty with a 10' pole. > > I jumped ship on my purchased-new '03 996 after a little over 2 > years. It > depreciated a "new miata", and grenade a tranny in the process. > Didn't feel > like a wise long term ownership prospect. > > Scott (shopping for a new Miata to add to the fleet -- my third > (Miata)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:29 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:58:17 -0700 > From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 > > Amen to that - 996's are cheaper than 993's now!! > > On Sep 16, 2007, at 4:58 PM, M540 wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:49:50 -0400 >> From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 >> >> Shel, >> >> Please let me know how you ultimately do on your Boxster. All it >> takes is >> one buyer, and a super-nice car can certainly get a premium. I'm >> very >> interested though as my first reaction was the same as Paul's. >> I'd be >> looking for a Boxster S immediately if it wasn't for the kid issue >> but I'm >> still considering it. I was figuring $25-25k would get me a 2003, >> which >> seem to command a pretty good premium due to a significant refresh >> that >> year. I may be wrong though, as I have been for years regarding >> the failure >> of 993 prices to drop faster. :( >> >> Kevin >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:40:16 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure Hi, I agree that if they push through it's the missing washer. I also think that the stock units plainly suck!! I'd go with an aftermarket; UUC or such. Also, Josh if you went with Bilsteins I suggest you go down to the local hardware store and get some fender washers to go on either side of the lower shock mounting point. unless you add washers there is nothing to stop the shock from sliding off the rubber mount eventually. Don't ask me how I know.... 8-( Kent On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Chester Wong wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:26:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Repeated rear shock mount (RSM) failure > > The RSM pushing through is indicative of a missing washer. > > http://tinyurl.com/2bjxm8 > > Do you have part #6 and #10 in that diagram? > > Also, I've cut the bumpstops years ago and have probably 80k miles > on my > current RSMs and no cracks... > > Regards, > Chester > > --- Josh <g_force_alt@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I'm starting to think there's something else at play. >> The Bilstein's are in good shape, and while I had it >> up on the jack stands, I yanked on the trailing arm >> and hub. Nothing looks grossly wrong. Any thoughts >> on what else could be causing the repeated failures? > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#8. Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:42:25 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 Good ideas. The M5 is off the list after much research and all the feedback. I drove the following over the weekend and have narrowed it down to: 2001 CLK 430 2005 330i 2002 540 The audi's look great and a a bargain but depreciate like a rock. The 330 was really a great car and should hold its value. It also has 50k warranty and all maintenacne.. The 430 was very clean , great looking, and a V8. The 540 was "ok" but I think I prefered the 330 all told. The 430 was a strong second. The Boxster S goes on the market today at $25k :) Shel ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 - from Scott McClung
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: Boxster S sale for 2000 / 1 M5 I drove a 2004 S4 with CPO for another 2 years and 54K miles on the clock. Asking price is $29K. Probably hard to find for under $30K w/ CPO, but they are out there if you look. How about a CLK55? I just did a quick search on Craigs-List and found one in SF with 52K miles listed for $29K. 2002. I would personally not be interested in any Benz that wasn't an AMG, and even then I think even any non M BMW with sport pkg has better dynamics. Look for a C32 too. Great cars - 350hp and 4-doors is a good thing too. These tend to trade in the $20K-$30K range depending on year and miles. I have also seen 545i's 2004 for under $30K. There was one I noticed last week that was listed for $28K and had 60K-ish miles. AT tranny tho, or I would have checked it out. I think it had sport package too. Scott --- Shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > Good ideas. The M5 is off the list after much > research and all the > feedback. I drove the following over the weekend > and have narrowed it down to: > > 2001 CLK 430 > 2005 330i > 2002 540 > > The audi's look great and a a bargain but depreciate > like a rock. The 330 > was really a great car and should hold its value. > It also has 50k warranty > and all maintenacne.. The 430 was very clean , > great looking, and a V8. The > 540 was "ok" but I think I prefered the 330 all > told. The 430 was a strong > second. The Boxster S goes on the market today at > $25k :) > > Shel > > > > ************************************** See what's > new at http://www.aol.com >
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Difficult to shift into 1st - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:10:09 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Difficult to shift into 1st I just started having this same issue. I'm planning to just replace the slave cylinder. I don't think it's ever been bled, the PO's paperwork doesn't have any indication of it. AutohauzAZ has 2 different slave cylinders: OEM Fahrzeug Technik Ebern (FTE)-FAG and Febi Bilstein. The Bilstein one is $10 cheaper. Anybody use either one? Any bad experiences? Does the collective recommend changing the master at the same time? Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fry [mailto:PeterFry@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:29 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Difficult to shift into 1st Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:21:56 -0400 From: Peter Fry <PeterFry@aol.com> Subject: Difficult to shift into 1st M3 pilots- I've recently (last week or so) been having difficulty selecting 1st gear from neutral while stopped. Going into 2nd (from neutral) is only slightly easier, and then there's less resistance going from 2nd to 1st. Selecting 1st while still rolling is not a problem (like approaching a stopsign for a brief, token stop). The car is a 99 with just under 99k on it. It's had a Rogue SSK and a adjustable clutch stop for about the last 8k. Pretty sure I had the clutch stop adjusted right (to where I could easily select any gear w/ engine off and clutch in). As a result of the subj problem, I've adjusted the clutch stop all the way down. Now I've got a much longer clutch stroke, but I'm not sure it made it any easier to select 1st from a stop. I can always get it onto gear, but it really feels like I'm forcing it. The only other change in the past months was a move from Colorado (7500' and dry) to South Carolina (200' and quite damp). And the car sat for a month after the move- but this shifting problem wasn't evident in the first week of driving after the long rest. So I'm worried. Did I burn the 1st gear synchros with a poorly adjusted clutch stop? Has anyone else had this problem? Help! ___ Peter Fry