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#1. Re: [E36M3] Should I??? (Thinking of selling my street car - - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Should I??? (Thinking of selling my street car - I've thought of that, really. The thought of hauling my drumset to a gig in the rain in utility trailer makes me shudder a bit, though. -jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Well put. Scott McClung wrote: > > Cost of trailer hitch for M3: $179.99 > cost of utility trailer: $1000.00 > trip to home depot for landscaping supplies: $256.79 > look on the face of the contractor's in their 3/4t > pick-ups picking up similar materials: Priceless!!! > > ;-) > > Scott ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
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#2. OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ - from shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:22:22 -0400 From: shelhart2@aol.com Subject: OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Keeping?us humbled to the dangers of speed and not knowing the limits of your abilities (or those of your automobile). ? http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Shel 1995 M3 2005 330CI ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#3. RE: [E36M3] OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:17:29 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Not good. I assume the driver didn't live through that! The speedo indicates "90" which, if it is MPH, and you are running into a cluster of immovable trees, is certainly not good. Until I get some driving schools under my belt, I honestly don't know the limits of my car, and don't intend to find out on a regular road. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 New BMWCCA Member -----Original Message----- From: shelhart2@aol.com [mailto:shelhart2@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:29 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:22:22 -0400 From: shelhart2@aol.com Subject: OT: http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Keeping?us humbled to the dangers of speed and not knowing the limits of your abilities (or those of your automobile). ? http://www.gougoule.com/crash_audi/ Shel 1995 M3 2005 330CI ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. Re: Battery/Alternator - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Battery/Alternator Actually, once the battery is charged it will stay charged if I'm driving it regularly and it will take several weeks to discharge while sitting. What's perplexing to me is why the battery won't charge once it's been discharged. I had both battery and alternater checked (by me and then by "professionals" just to make sure) and by all accounts they appear to be OK. My fear is that I'm going to actually have to take the car to the dealer because nobody can seem to figure out what is really wrong. And given that this is an 11 year old car (albeit with only 108k on the clock), the $90/hour service rate will quickly eat into it's value on something that requires quite a bit of diagnostic time...not to mention that BMW dealers aren't exactly known for being good diagnosticians. The one in Charlotte is more well known for throwing parts at the problem until it's fixed. But given how often I drive it (i.e. rarely), it would be silly to buy something else right now and the car is otherwise mechanically very sound. >From your original description of the issue it does >not sound like it will hold a charge. You charge it, >then after a day or so its dead again, its 'cus >your battery is toast and it wont hold a >charge...plain and simple. >Check your alternator output. If the output is OK >then you have simply ruined your battery by allowing >it to sit in a discharged state. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Should I??? (Thinking of selling my street car - - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:39:53 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Should I??? (Thinking of selling my street car - Jeff, Look around a little more. My trailer is totally enclosed, with a removable clamshell top for really large items. The nice thing about that type is you can leave it locked and full if you don't feel like unloading since it stays dry inside. You may want to remove the drums because of humidity but not because they will get wet. It really is cool to see the look on people's faces when they see a Bimmer with a trailer. But the coolest I've seen was a Lamborghini with a clamshell trailer painted to match the car a few years ago at the 1 Lap. Carey Jeff Conner wrote: > I've thought of that, really. The thought of hauling my drumset to a > gig in the rain in utility trailer makes me shudder a bit, though. > > -jeff > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Well put. > > Scott McClung wrote: > > > > Cost of trailer hitch for M3: $179.99 > > cost of utility trailer: $1000.00 > > trip to home depot for landscaping supplies: $256.79 > > look on the face of the contractor's in their 3/4t > > pick-ups picking up similar materials: Priceless!!! > > > > ;-) > > > > Scott > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51201/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE5NWVzZGVyBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDYXV0b3MtbmV3Y2Fy> > the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. -- Carey Probst '99M3 daily driver '86 325 track toy, cammed, chipped, swayed A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:50:32 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator First I would inspect/replace the battery.? Have you checked the battery's fluid level?? If it is below the top of the plates, it can do weird things.? My personal opinion is if the fluid level EVER drops below the top of the plates, the battery is ruined.? But try telling that to auto parts store clerks here in Texas where battery fluid can evaporate out of a battery in just one summer to below the plates.? grrr....? So if your fluid level is way low or it ever has been, I would replace the battery. Next, how old is your battery?? It is beyond me why guys try to milk their batteries as long as possible for bragging rights.? We routinely see guys posting their battery is 7 or 9 years old.? I think the record is some guy claimed 11 years.? They don't live in Texas.? I've never had a battery last more than 4 years.? Heat does more damage than cold to a battery.? Batteries are cheap.? You can buy a battery for less than $100 and install it yourself very easily.? If you replace it every 3 years, that is less than one tank of gas.? I don't see the point of trying to save money on a new battery.? Get a new one and see if you still have problems.? Cheaper than paying for an hour of diagnosis. Then, if you still have a dead battery, I would keep checking the alternator.? I had a similar problem with my '95 M3.? I don't drive it every day.? For 2-3 years, I would have a?sporadic dead battery.? I went through 3 different batteries thinking the old battery had died and the brand new one I bought was defective.? Every time and everybody who tested the alternator said it was good.? I tested it, Auto Zone tested it, BMW dealership tested it, independent repair shop tested it (twice), ...? every time it tested good.? I was about ready to spend $$$$ to diagnosis if I had a sporadic low current drain?that was draining my battery.? But the third time the independent shop tested my alternator it came out "no good".? Problem turned out to be a bad voltage regulator in the alternator.? Sometimes it would charge at 14 volts, then it would charge at just 8 volts.? Replaced the alternator and haven't had a lick of trouble since. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 -----Original Message----- From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 8:28 am Subject: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Battery/Alternator Actually, once the battery is charged it will stay charged if I'm driving it regularly and it will take several weeks to discharge while sitting. What's perplexing to me is why the battery won't charge once it's been discharged. I had both battery and alternater checked (by me and then by "professionals" just to make sure) and by all accounts they appear to be OK. My fear is that I'm going to actually have to take the car to the dealer because nobody can seem to figure out what is really wrong. And given that this is an 11 year old car (albeit with only 108k on the clock), the $90/hour service rate will quickly eat into it's value on something that requires quite a bit of diagnostic time...not to mention that BMW dealers aren't exactly known for being good diagnosticians. The one in Charlotte is more well known for throwing parts at the problem until it's fixed. But given how often I drive it (i.e. rarely), it would be silly to buy something else right now and the car is otherwise mechanically very sound. >From your original description of the issue it does >not sound like it will hold a charge. You charge it, >then after a day or so its dead again, its 'cus >your battery is toast and it wont hold a >charge...plain and simple. >Check your alternator output. If the output is OK >then you have simply ruined your battery by allowing >it to sit in a discharged state. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator Battery is less than 8 months old. Have not checked fluid levels but it's sealed (Interstate MT 91). It's been run down to near dead twice in that time, but has charged up fine both times. I swapped batteries with my race car (E36 325i) and back at some point and there was no change in behavior for either battery in either car. That is, the M3 battery maintained charge fine in the race car, and the race car battery drained while sitting in the M3. Alternator is new/rebuilt Bosch, checked by three different sources and said by all three to be OK. I've checked it myself and it's putting out 14 volts in correct phase. Car is in North Carolina, not as hot as Texas but still has been a very hot summer. This problem has been around for two years now (but less than 7k miles given my driving habits). I replaced the battery and the alternator trying to fix the problem, but neither fixed it. When I check voltage at the battery while the car is running it shows 13.6, as does my voltage guage. Another interesting thing the car does is that when I'm driving along at night and I hit the high beams, the radio will cut out temporarily (maybe a second) and then come back on again. Something is clearly drawing power somewhere but I'm not sure how to even approach how to figure out where/why. I did investigate my current drain and identified a slight drain on fuse circuit 33. I checked everything on that circuit but the door lock heaters and all checked out fine. Not sure if they are working or not because I can't tell from the Bentley how to check them. I'm also not sure if the mirror heaters are on the same circuit, but they no longer function. I was under the impression that the heating elements burn out eventually. BUt I also thought that they didn't turn on unless the ambiant temperatures were below a certain threshold, and I can't see how they could come into play when it's 90 degrees outside. Shane --- loweseaton@aol.com wrote: > First I would inspect/replace the battery.? Have you > checked the battery's fluid level?? If it is below > the top of the plates, it can do weird things.? My > personal opinion is if the fluid level EVER drops > below the top of the plates, the battery is ruined.? > But try telling that to auto parts store clerks here > in Texas where battery fluid can evaporate out of a > battery in just one summer to below the plates.? > grrr....? So if your fluid level is way low or it > ever has been, I would replace the battery. > > Next, how old is your battery?? It is beyond me why > guys try to milk their batteries as long as possible > for bragging rights.? We routinely see guys posting > their battery is 7 or 9 years old.? I think the > record is some guy claimed 11 years.? They don't > live in Texas.? I've never had a battery last more > than 4 years.? Heat does more damage than cold to a > battery.? Batteries are cheap.? You can buy a > battery for less than $100 and install it yourself > very easily.? If you replace it every 3 years, that > is less than one tank of gas.? I don't see the point > of trying to save money on a new battery.? Get a new > one and see if you still have problems.? Cheaper > than paying for an hour of diagnosis. > > Then, if you still have a dead battery, I would keep > checking the alternator.? I had a similar problem > with my '95 M3.? I don't drive it every day.? For > 2-3 years, I would have a?sporadic dead battery.? I > went through 3 different batteries thinking the old > battery had died and the brand new one I bought was > defective.? Every time and everybody who tested the > alternator said it was good.? I tested it, Auto Zone > tested it, BMW dealership tested it, independent > repair shop tested it (twice), ...? every time it > tested good.? I was about ready to spend $$$$ to > diagnosis if I had a sporadic low current drain?that > was draining my battery.? But the third time the > independent shop tested my alternator it came out > "no good".? Problem turned out to be a bad voltage > regulator in the alternator.? Sometimes it would > charge at 14 volts, then it would charge at just 8 > volts.? Replaced the alternator and haven't had a > lick of trouble since. > > Lowell Seaton > '95 M3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 8:28 am > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:27:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Battery/Alternator > > Actually, once the battery is charged it will stay > charged if I'm driving it regularly and it will take > several weeks to discharge while sitting. What's > perplexing to me is why the battery won't charge > once > it's been discharged. I had both battery and > alternater checked (by me and then by > "professionals" > just to make sure) and by all accounts they appear > to > be OK. > > My fear is that I'm going to actually have to take > the > car to the dealer because nobody can seem to figure > out what is really wrong. And given that this is an > 11 year old car (albeit with only 108k on the > clock), > the $90/hour service rate will quickly eat into it's > value on something that requires quite a bit of > diagnostic time...not to mention that BMW dealers > aren't exactly known for being good diagnosticians. > The one in Charlotte is more well known for throwing > parts at the problem until it's fixed. But given > how > often I drive it (i.e. rarely), it would be silly to > buy something else right now and the car is > otherwise > mechanically very sound. > > >From your original description of the issue it does > >not sound like it will hold a charge. You charge > it, > >then after a day or so its dead again, its 'cus > >your battery is toast and it wont hold a > >charge...plain and simple. > > >Check your alternator output. If the output is OK > >then you have simply ruined your battery by > allowing > >it to sit in a discharged state. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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#8. Keys - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Keys Oh, and while I'm harrassing you guys with questions about my car... My buddy borrowed the car a few weeks ago and lost they key (fell off the crappy BMW key chain somehow). I only got two keys when I bought the car from the PO and the only one I have left is the valet key. My understanding is that I have to order a new key via the dealer due to EWS. Does anybody have any experience with this that can help me understand what the process is, how long it takes, how much it costs? Thanks, ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Keys - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:33:20 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keys On 9/25/07, Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> wrote: > My buddy borrowed the car a few weeks ago and lost > they key (fell off the crappy BMW key chain somehow). > I only got two keys when I bought the car from the PO > and the only one I have left is the valet key. My > understanding is that I have to order a new key via > the dealer due to EWS. Does anybody have any > experience with this that can help me understand what > the process is, how long it takes, how much it costs? I would guess a) go to dealership, prove who you are, also that you own the car b) they order key(s) from BMW NA 3) wait a week or so IV) 1 million dollars! (with Dr. Evil pinky) Carlos. 98 M3 (with at least 5 keys, I keep fiding them all over my place) :-)
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#10. FS:GC Street stability Kit. - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:04:13 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: FS:GC Street stability Kit. Dear All, Hello. This is what GC now calls these shims. These are the shims that are used with the factory rubber bushings in the rear trailing arms so that they will not tear themselves to pieces! :) $45 shipped. Please e-mail me directly if you want pics. Regards Mo