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#1. OBDI/ii - from Mark D
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:19:46 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: OBDI/ii Hey guys, I have a 1996 M3. Some people refer to the round engine compartment connector as an OBD1 port however my mechanic informed me that despite the strange port it is in fact an OBD2 car since it was made after 1996. Of course everyone everywhere notes the differences between 1995 and 1996 and my car is in fact an OBD2 car with the 4 o2 sensors, etc. There's an abundance of cool tools and things that plug into a standard OBD2 port that will not work on the round port. As far as I can find, I do not have a standard OBD2 port under my dash. I've taken the panel off and reached around. There's a round thing in there but it seems like the speaker/buzzer for the headlights. So does anyone know if it's possible to get diag info from in car on the 1996 and is it possible to adapt the round port to standard OBD2 port so that I can use these devices (data loggers, troubleshooters, etc). Thanks, Mark
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#2. Was Boxster S Sold, Now Loud Aftermarket Exhausts - from kjk
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> Subject: Was Boxster S Sold, Now Loud Aftermarket Exhausts Dave DeBuhr wrote: "You know, It is this very phenomonon that has me thinking about selling the fancy UUC RSC36 exhaust on my M3. Is sounds killer, but at WOT it roars." The '95 I just bought had the first UUC exhaust and while it sounded great at WOT, it was quite loud at partial throttle and even cruising. Fine for a pure track car but as I am going to drive it on the street, I bought a '96 oem from Marco. The stock exhaust still has a nice sporty sound and fits WAY better. They left that last little left-hand bend out on the UUC. It was obvious when I put them side by side. Kevin Kelly '95 M3 '91 M5 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
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#3. Re: Battery/Alternator - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:59:05 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Battery/Alternator I thought of that too but didn't like the idea.? First, all of the "digital memories" would be lost such as radio stations and On-Board Computer.? More importantly, the DME would lose its memory.? I don't know how much the '95 M3 OBD-I DME "adapts" to driving conditions and gasoline quality but I assume it must go into some sort of default mode after it is disconnected from the battery.? I assume it takes some time and on/off cycles to recalibrate.? I think this would be an even bigger problem for the newer OBD-II cars that have way more computer control.? I remember Jim Conforti?telling folks?way back when it was meaningless to dyno test OBD-II cars after swapping HFM or software and comparing to the "before" state.? I didn't want to constantly drive my M3 in the "default" limp home mode so I tried not to lose all power to the DME if I could help it. And again something else Jim Conforti cautioned folks about was destroying their $1,200 DME while reprogramming.? I think if you ever bought his OBD-II Shark upgrade, Step 1 of the instructions was CONNECT MINIMUM 100 AMP BATTERY CHARGER TO BATTERY.? I guess there were many DME's destroyed by folks and dealers doing software upgrades if the battery just happened to die during the upgrade.? I'm not a EE and I don't want to start the argument "do you turn your computer off every day or leave it on 24/7" but apparently?it is not good to be turning off power to the DME.? I'd rather be safe than sorry so I tried to keep the battery charged at all times. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:16:12 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator If it were me and I didn't have time to really find the problem I'd put a battery cutoff switch in the car and worry about it later. <snip> ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Jacks - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:09:30 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <M3@cueframe.us> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jacks It had to be said. Bill Ft. Worth 2/22/99 Coupe On Sep 25, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Carlos Lopez wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:13:13 -0400 > From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jacks > > I store mine open but only because the flux capacitor in my car > sometimes changes the oil film thickness on the piston bearings, I use > shockproof oil in my jack for that reason. I also relieve the > pressure on the canuter valve every once in a while to keep the jack > handle actuation optimal. > > Hey you asked. > > Carlos > 98 M3 goes faster than 88mph > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] OBDI/ii - from marty
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:13:25 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OBDI/ii hi Mark, The round thing under the hood is the proprietary BMW diagnostic port. Your standard OBDII connector is near the chime in the upper driver footwell panel. There's a rectangular cover to the outside of the chime, close to the hood release, under which the OBD connector is hiding. The cover is helpfully marked OBD and is easily removed. At least that's the way it is in my '96. marty Mark D wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:19:46 -0400 > From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> > Subject: OBDI/ii > > Hey guys, > > I have a 1996 M3. Some people refer to the round engine compartment > connector as an OBD1 port however my mechanic informed me that despite > the strange port it is in fact an OBD2 car since it was made after > 1996. Of course everyone everywhere notes the differences between > 1995 and 1996 and my car is in fact an OBD2 car with the 4 o2 sensors, > etc. > > There's an abundance of cool tools and things that plug into a > standard OBD2 port that will not work on the round port. As far as I > can find, I do not have a standard OBD2 port under my dash. I've > taken the panel off and reached around. There's a round thing in > there but it seems like the speaker/buzzer for the headlights. > So does anyone know if it's possible to get diag info from in car on > the 1996 and is it possible to adapt the round port to standard OBD2 > port so that I can use these devices (data loggers, troubleshooters, > etc). > > Thanks, > Mark > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: Battery/Alternator - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:13:47 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Battery/Alternator Oh!? That was the other thing I was going to say.? Check the ground.? My mechanic says E36 cars are notorious for having bad/poor grounds.? The bolt can come loose or corroded, etc.? I put a second industrial strength (i.e., generic battery cable) on my car to make sure the ground was not at fault.? The stock ground is located near the right front wheel.? Be sure to check it or replace it and the attachment bolts.? It is an easy fix to try before you start spending money for diagnosis. Lowell '95 M3 -----Original Message----- From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Battery/Alternator OK, I had pretty much the exact experience, including melting the leads to one of my multimeters. I've pretty much been convinced to buy a battery tender and forget about it. There is a part of me that hates being defeated by a stupid car, but at this point I don't have the time to invest. I'm going to check grounds and the water in the battery to make sure but otherwise I'm going to wait for whatever is wrong to fail completely. Shane ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:27:32 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages Sorry for the funky formatting and question marks.? I promise I am not typing them.? :-)? I think it is more insidious than just AOL although I like to blame AOL for a lot of my problems!? Right now I am using the AOL.com or AOL on the web to type these e-mails at work (hope my boss is not reading this).? If I was on my home computer using the AOL 9.0 program, there would not be any question marks.? But I also think the Yahoo!Groups is partly to blame.? I can send e-mails to other?folks and the formatting is just fine.? And then, NOT everybody reading this list will see the question marks.? It is a combination of AOL, Yahoo!, and the individual's own computer.? Internet.? Go figure!! Lowell -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 2:18 pm Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages On Tue, September 25, 2007 9:48 am, Reed Nicholson wrote: > I seem to be getting more messages like this with the question marks > following most of the periods. > What's up with that? Is there a way I can fix it? From what I can tell, it appears to be an AOL thing - I see it on another list, only in messages from AOL users. Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Keys - from David Thomas
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:18:44 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keys On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:38:41 am Paul L Fisher wrote: > For my 2000 540i it was around $200 ad I had to bring my title into the > dealer. I had to get a new key for our '95 M3 about a year and a half ago...was $85. Took close to a week to arrive but I was also waiting for a new ignition assembly at the same time so I think it took an extra day or two. Dave
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: question marks in messages On Tue, September 25, 2007 1:28 pm, loweseaton@aol.com wrote: > Sorry for the funky formatting and question marks.? I promise I am not > typing them.? :-)? Just FYI, your direct reply to me was "clean", but this version that went through the list server wasn't. I see this same thing over on the CR email list. I've only seen it from senders using AOL. Jim Bassett
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#10. RE: [E36M3] OBDI/ii - from Mike Frank
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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:30:21 -0400 From: "Mike Frank" <mfrank28@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OBDI/ii Hi Mark, My AE scan tool plugs directly into the trapezoidal under-dash OBDII port for standard OBDII functionality. It has an adapter cable for connecting to the round BMW under hood connector for the "extended" BMW specific diagnostics/controls. So it appears you can adapt it, but I think you might be able to get more info from the round connector. Honestly I'm not sure as I've only done basic stuff with it on the BMW. FYI, it works great on all my other cars. Mike > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:13:25 -0400 > From: marty <mfraiser@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OBDI/ii > > hi Mark, > > The round thing under the hood is the proprietary BMW diagnostic port. > Your standard OBDII connector is near the chime in the upper driver > footwell panel. There's a rectangular cover to the outside of the > chime, close to the hood release, under which the OBD connector is > hiding. The cover is helpfully marked OBD and is easily removed. At > least that's the way it is in my '96. > > marty > > Mark D wrote: > > > There's an abundance of cool tools and things that plug into a > > standard OBD2 port that will not work on the round port. As far as I > > can find, I do not have a standard OBD2 port under my dash. I've > > taken the panel off and reached around. There's a round thing in > > there but it seems like the speaker/buzzer for the headlights. > > So does anyone know if it's possible to get diag info from in car on > > the 1996 and is it possible to adapt the round port to standard OBD2 > > port so that I can use these devices (data loggers, troubleshooters, > > etc). > > > > Thanks, > > Mark