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#1. RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:12:30 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation I should have mentioned I am using a supercharger, not a turbo. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bader [mailto:mbader@exammaster.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:09 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:04:11 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Eurosport m50 manifold installation Hi, just got my car back yesterday after having an m50 manifold installed on my 98 M3 using the Eurosport kit. Given my experience and skill level I decided to have the performance shop do the installation. Glad I did as it was not the easiest of installations. Also, because I am using forced induction, a couple of things about my intake set-up are different than stock. All in all, John from European Performance (16+ years experience) said the kit worked well. There were two issues: the bracket holding the fuel rail (and keeping the injectors) in place was not designed correctly, and so he had to make a modification. There were also a couple of places where supplied fasteners were too short. I also had the idle control valve replaced while he was in there (car has 95k miles). The fuel rail cover supplied with the kit looks nice, and it has a stock look overall. Driving impressions is that the car is actually smoother, and possibly even a little quieter under the hood under normal driving conditions. It does feel stronger, although not overwhelmingly so, which would not be expected anyway. Pulls better to red line, but I have hadn't a chance yet to really test that out too much. One puzzling thing is a new sound that is very noticeable after lifting off of a heavy throttle. It sounds like air coming out from the engine bay. My son, who was riding with me when I picked up the car, thinks its normal blow-off from the forced induction. My previous turbo car did not make that sound, nor did my car before the manifold swap. Is this normal because the car is getting more air? Any ideas or experience with this. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation - from Carlos Lopez
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:36 -0400 From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation On 10/4/07, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > stock. All in all, John from European Performance (16+ years experience) > said the kit worked well. There were two issues: the bracket holding the > fuel rail (and keeping the injectors) in place was not designed correctly, > and so he had to make a modification. There were also a couple of places > where supplied fasteners were too short. BTW I had no such issues and I'm a hack. :-) > Is this normal because the car is getting more air? Any ideas or experience > with this. I noticed the intake sound changed on my car. It already had a slight growl from the Conforti intake but the first time I drove the car after the manifold swap I noticed the pitch had changed. With forced induction your guess is better than ours. Any intake leaks by any chance? My car has been dyno'ed since so I'm pretty sure I didn't goof anything up (based on the air/fuel ratios). Carlos 98 M3
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:30:54 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation I think leaks would have thrown codes all over the place. I'll get to the bottom of it one way or the other. Car runs well. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Lopez [mailto:clopez98m3@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:20 PM To: Matt Bader Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation On 10/4/07, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > stock. All in all, John from European Performance (16+ years experience) > said the kit worked well. There were two issues: the bracket holding the > fuel rail (and keeping the injectors) in place was not designed correctly, > and so he had to make a modification. There were also a couple of places > where supplied fasteners were too short. BTW I had no such issues and I'm a hack. :-) > Is this normal because the car is getting more air? Any ideas or experience > with this. I noticed the intake sound changed on my car. It already had a slight growl from the Conforti intake but the first time I drove the car after the manifold swap I noticed the pitch had changed. With forced induction your guess is better than ours. Any intake leaks by any chance? My car has been dyno'ed since so I'm pretty sure I didn't goof anything up (based on the air/fuel ratios). Carlos 98 M3
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation - from marty
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:24:51 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation FWIW, another hack (me) had no issue with the fuel rail mounting tabs. The instructions tell you to bend one of the O2 sensor connector tabs out of the way and grind/cut a bit of manifold off which worked fine for me. I did have a couple of bolts that were too long to go back where they came from. They weren't supplied with the kit though, they were originals. The instructions weren't 100% accurate in every detail but pretty darned close. marty Carlos Lopez wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:36 -0400 > From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation > > On 10/4/07, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > >> stock. All in all, John from European Performance (16+ years experience) >> said the kit worked well. There were two issues: the bracket holding the >> fuel rail (and keeping the injectors) in place was not designed correctly, >> and so he had to make a modification. There were also a couple of places >> where supplied fasteners were too short. >> > > BTW I had no such issues and I'm a hack. :-) >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation - from Matt Bader
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:33:19 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation Yes, the instructions were very thorough, something like 60-70 steps, with a picture for each one! -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:29 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:24:51 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation FWIW, another hack (me) had no issue with the fuel rail mounting tabs. The instructions tell you to bend one of the O2 sensor connector tabs out of the way and grind/cut a bit of manifold off which worked fine for me. I did have a couple of bolts that were too long to go back where they came from. They weren't supplied with the kit though, they were originals. The instructions weren't 100% accurate in every detail but pretty darned close. marty Carlos Lopez wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:19:36 -0400 > From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Eurosport m50 manifold installation > > On 10/4/07, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > >> stock. All in all, John from European Performance (16+ years experience) >> said the kit worked well. There were two issues: the bracket holding the >> fuel rail (and keeping the injectors) in place was not designed correctly, >> and so he had to make a modification. There were also a couple of places >> where supplied fasteners were too short. >> > > BTW I had no such issues and I'm a hack. :-) > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? - from Ed MacVaugh
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:07:29 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <macvaugh@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? blower motor? Ed mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:07:39 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: what is this engine noise?
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Engine noise - from Marc Plante
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:32:16 -0400 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Engine noise A cheapo car stethescope is a great investment. Has a metal stick probe on it, and you can touch it to parts under the hood to isolate noises. Marc Plante E36 M3/4/5, 80k Shift kit, SRDs and Ellipsoids Vienna, VA
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#8. Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? - from Mark D
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:45:01 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:07:39 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: what is this engine noise? > > Group, > > My?engine is starting to make a chirping sound (like their is a bird in my engine bay), and it is rpm sensitive (not louder, just faster).? Can't really hear it from inside the car, but once I pull into the garage with the window down you can definitely hear it.? Been happening maybe every other time I?use the car.? For example, half-hour weekend?drive, pull into a gas station and hear the chirp.? Shut her down, pump some gas, start her up and no chirp -- engine sounds lean and mean.? Next morning - chirping again.? The car has only 51K miles on her.? New belts less than 5K miles ago including Rogue underdrive pulley kit with belt.? What is this -- the belt tensioners, water pump, ghosts in the machine, etc.? I'm thinking tensioners, but what do I know ;-)) > > As usual, TIA, > I've heard of being able to hear a chirping or whistling in the exhaust with damaged or heavily carbon coated valves not compressing properly. How does the car run? Thanks, Mark
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Engine noise - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:52:31 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Engine noise > A cheapo car stethescope is a great investment. I have had one of those for years and only recently used it to track down a noise in my dad's old MINI Cooper S steering system and it worked great! I was able to figure out exactly which part was squeaking by holding it up to the different parts and the bad one was obvious. When just trying to listen in the general area, it was impossible to tell which part was causing the issue. -Wayne
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#10. Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:48:16 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] what is this engine noise? In a message dated 10/4/2007 4:48:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mdlkml@atari-source.com writes: How does the car run? Hi Mark, The car pulls as smooth and strong as the first day I drove it home - 10+ years ago! ;-)) The engine has always been treated with TLC, only flexing it's muscle during autox events. Now, I need to knock on some wood. cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 / 2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by Wheel Collision Center & Rogue Engineering ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com