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#1. RE: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Resener, Kurt
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:01:15 -0500 From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 Hmmm, that's interesting. Sounds expensive, but I'd think that if the Vanos stopped it'd be a more dramatic loss of power, or maybe not? Is there a test to determine if the Vanos is working? Kurt J. Resener -----Original Message----- From: Lee Piccione [mailto:lepiccione@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:54 AM To: Resener, Kurt Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 My car did the same thing last summer. My Vanos had stopped working. Pretty common... -lee --- "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:41:01 -0500 > From: "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com> > Subject: Sluggish M3 > > Wondering if anyone can offer any suggestions on > where I can look to > regain what appears to be some lost power on my '95 > M3. > > > > Lately it just appears to be less powerful, although > is showing no check > engine lights or obvious misfires or anything. I > used to be able to > out-pull most stock M3's on the straightaway's but a > couple weeks ago I > really struggled against stock M3's and was really > out-pulled by a > friend's car that I know we used to be pretty even > on flat out > acceleration runs. > > > > It's been a couple years since I've changed plugs, > and have never > changed O2 sensors, although I don't know if those > two could conspire to > produce less power without some more obvious > symptom? > > > > Motor has 117k miles and other than a Dinan chip is > stock, burns no oil > etc. I have NOT done the valve retainer upgrade for > early production > '95's yet (I know, I know it's on my list...) but I > haven't heard of > power loss attributed to that. Just catastrophic > failure! > > > > Any suggestions on where to look to regain my lost > power appreciated! > Last track event of my year at Mid Ohio in two and a > half weeks... > > > > Kurt J. Resener > DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for > the above named person(s) > only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are > not the intended > recipient of this e-mail and have received it in > error, please forward to > postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in > Error' as the subject and then > delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or > re-using any of the > information contained in this e-mail by anyone other > than the intended > recipient is unauthorized. Thank you. > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ DISCLAIMER Important! This message is intended for the above named person(s) only and is CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail and have received it in error, please forward to postmaster@yourfoodservice.com with 'Received in Error' as the subject and then delete it from your mailbox. Accessing, copying or re-using any of the information contained in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. Thank you.
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:07:38 +0200 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Bob, When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car? I will be checking ETK today. Best Regards, Azik '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: <mdriver13@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:47:21 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace > > Azik, > > Can't help you with the part number, but you sure your Euro doesn't > already have an x-brace? > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 9:18 am > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace > > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200? > From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com>? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? > ? > Hi, what's the BMW part number for factory X-brace?? > ? > Azar,? > '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP? > (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\? > Celle, Germany? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com>? > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>? > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:28 PM? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? > ? >> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:28:53 -0400? >> From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com>? >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? >>? >> On 10/7/07, David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote:? >>> I have a '95 that had the inserts for the x-brace but did not have one? >>> installed. When I finally got around to installing the x-brace I noticed >>> >> a? >>> pretty decent improvement...not sure how it compares to running just a >>> >> upper? >>> brace though since I don't run one.? >>? >> It doesn't compare. At least for me the X-brace improved turn in? >> response on my quite stockish 95 M3. Makes sense it's tying the front? >> sub frame to the chassis.? >>? >> Strut braces are almost pure bling. Speaking of which I have a first? >> gen UUC Strut Barbarian (beefy and non-hinged) that I can let go if? >> anyone is interested, I switched to a BMW Motorsport one and I'm not? >> sure that was a good move. The UUC one can be had for much less? >> money.? >>? >> Carlos? >> 98 M3 threw out the ASC so I could fit the BMW M one. :-)? >>? >>? >> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from dgc
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:46:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: dgc <dgcrum@jps.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 Hi Kurt, Have you tried chemotherapy? For the car, that is... It's a relatively cheap first step. Specifically, clean the MAF. I've used CRC brand cleaner (5-8$ per can) to good effect on my 96. I clean it every time I change the air filter. One can is enough for four or five cleanings. Check the air cleaner for big chunks too. A clogged air filter can really strangle the motor. When's the last time you changed the fuel filter? Fresh plugs every few years can't hurt either. I'd be inclined to take care of the baseline/tune-up type items first. I've always been amazed how much stronger the car feels after changing filters, plugs and fluids. Then you can worry with a clear conscience. ;-) FWIW, I replaced the primary timing chain tensioner at around 110k miles and it made a small difference in perceived performance. Hope this helps, David 96 M3 - 194k miles
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:46:28 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Azik, At the very least you have the crossbar (#7).??Most of the?NA cars had this.? You want to drop this out, and replace with the x-brace (#16).? You should be able to find one of these from a convertible, or order from aftermarket. cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:08 am Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:07:38 +0200? From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com>? Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? ? Bob,? ? When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this? http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10? The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car?? I will be checking ETK today.? Best Regards,? ? Azik? '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP? (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\? Celle, Germany? ----- Original Message ----- From: <mdriver13@aol.com>? To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>? Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:48 PM? Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? ? > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:47:21 -0400? > From: mdriver13@aol.com? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? >? > Azik,? >? > Can't help you with the part number, but you sure your Euro doesn't > already have an x-brace?? >? >? > Bob Gill? > 97 ///M3 coupe? > Philly Region SCCA? > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion? > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering? >? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com>? > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net>? > Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 9:18 am? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace? >? >? > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:16:58 +0200?? > From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com>?? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace?? > ?? > Hi, what's the BMW part number for factory X-brace??? > ?? > Azar,?? > '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP?? > (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\?? > Celle, Germany?? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com>?? > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net>?? > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:28 PM?? > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace?? > ?? >> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:28:53 -0400?? >> From: "Carlos Lopez" <clopez98m3@gmail.com>?? >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace?? >>?? >> On 10/7/07, David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> wrote:?? >>> I have a '95 that had the inserts for the x-brace but did not have one?? >>> installed. When I finally got around to installing the x-brace I noticed >>> >> a?? >>> pretty decent improvement...not sure how it compares to running just a >>> >> upper?? >>> brace though since I don't run one.?? >>?? >> It doesn't compare. At least for me the X-brace improved turn in?? >> response on my quite stockish 95 M3. Makes sense it's tying the front?? >> sub frame to the chassis.?? >>?? >> Strut braces are almost pure bling. Speaking of which I have a first?? >> gen UUC Strut Barbarian (beefy and non-hinged) that I can let go if?? >> anyone is interested, I switched to a BMW Motorsport one and I'm not?? >> sure that was a good move. The UUC one can be had for much less?? >> money.?? >>?? >> Carlos?? >> 98 M3 threw out the ASC so I could fit the BMW M one. :-)?? >>?? >>?? >>? >? > ________________________________________________________________________? > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#5. Re: Don't forget the X brace - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:09:23 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace Don't bother looking at the ETK (it won't show the X-brace either) and for sure don't go to the dealer and ask - the parts guy at the dealership will not sell you the X-brace no matter how hard you plead because he will tell you it won't fit your car. The X-brace was standard on convertible models and an owner-installed part for the '95 LTW. Go to the dealer parts guy and tell him (lie) that you have an E36 convertible (pick any year between '97-'99) and he will immediately know what you are talking about. Pay your money and walk out - don't try to explain anything to the parts guy. The convertible's X-brace fits perfectly on every E36 model. BMW made an E36 M3 Convertible for Europe many years before the convertible came to the USA. And apparently, the convertible was made on the same production line as the coupe and sedan. BMW did not make a special subframe for the convertible - it just used the same subframe for all models. Therefore, EVERY subframe (well - except for a few very early 1994 production dates) has the bolt holes and nut inserts for the X-brace. And even if you don't have the nut inserts, BMW has retrofit inserts for this application. Good luck! Lowell Seaton '95 M3 2-door coupe with X-brace after arguing with dealer parts idiot -------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 10/8/07 10:11:00 AM Central Daylight Time, azik@hotmail.com writes: When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&h g=41&fg=10 The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car? I will be checking ETK today. Best Regards, ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:12:07 +0200 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace I found the part number, Its 51 71 8 410 212, costs 120 Euro (approx 170 USD) and was only installe on Cabrios and all Z3 range. As it will fit Cabrio, I beleive it will fit Coupe as well. I still feel it strange why wouldn't BMW put it to M3 Coupe? may be there are downsides to it? Some say that the cars without strut braces are easier to steer. I will ask the question on German forum, see what they come up with and what is available on our market. regards, Azik '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: mdriver13@aol.com To: azik@hotmail.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Azik, At the very least you have the crossbar (#7). Most of the NA cars had this. You want to drop this out, and replace with the x-brace (#16). You should be able to find one of these from a convertible, or order from aftermarket. cheers, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering -----Original Message----- From: Azik [Hotmail] <azik@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:08 am Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:07:38 +0200 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Bob, When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car? I will be checking ETK today. Best Regards, Azik '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany
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#7. Re: Don't forget the X brace - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:22:01 +0200 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace Thanks Lowell, Actually, because I have ETK, prices, TIS and local mechanic, I only give partnumber to the parts guy and they never ask me the questions. I even managed to get dealer discount from them. The strut brace apperes to be installed on cabrios and Z3 from September 1995. http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BK71&mospid=47421&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 So looks like I am going for it! Question: now the rear will be not as stiff - what to do there? Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com To: azik@hotmail.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace Don't bother looking at the ETK (it won't show the X-brace either) and for sure don't go to the dealer and ask - the parts guy at the dealership will not sell you the X-brace no matter how hard you plead because he will tell you it won't fit your car. The X-brace was standard on convertible models and an owner-installed part for the '95 LTW. Go to the dealer parts guy and tell him (lie) that you have an E36 convertible (pick any year between '97-'99) and he will immediately know what you are talking about. Pay your money and walk out - don't try to explain anything to the parts guy. The convertible's X-brace fits perfectly on every E36 model. BMW made an E36 M3 Convertible for Europe many years before the convertible came to the USA. And apparently, the convertible was made on the same production line as the coupe and sedan. BMW did not make a special subframe for the convertible - it just used the same subframe for all models. Therefore, EVERY subframe (well - except for a few very early 1994 production dates) has the bolt holes and nut inserts for the X-brace. And even if you don't have the nut inserts, BMW has retrofit inserts for this application. Good luck! Lowell Seaton '95 M3 2-door coupe with X-brace after arguing with dealer parts idiot -------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 10/8/07 10:11:00 AM Central Daylight Time, azik@hotmail.com writes: When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car? I will be checking ETK today. Best Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:35:02 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace I agree. It's the best $160 you can spend to stiffen the car. And yes jack up the rear *OR* front high enough and the whole side comes off the ground!! The only thing a strut brace will improve is the movement of the strut towers toward each other or away. A hinged/crap bar will do that. Kent On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:58 AM, Mo Karamat wrote: > Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:57:07 -0400 > From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> > Subject: Don't forget the X brace > > Bob, > > Hello.. You are ABSOLUTELY correct. One way to tell this is that > once the > x-brace is on, if you jack up the rear of the car, the entire side > comes > up.. Hence, the frame is stiffer. Best, CHEAPEST upgrade for a e36! > > Best > Mo > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:28:02 EDT > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace > > > In a message dated 10/7/2007 9:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > M3@cueframe.us > writes: > > Do any of you feel, like me, the factory X brace underneath doubles > the frame stiffness the strut bar provides? > > > Not sure I can quantify it, but the x-brace does make the car > stiffer -- and > you can certainly feel it! >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from David Thomas
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:49:04 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace On Monday 08 October 2007 9:18:41 am Azik [hotmail.com] wrote: > I still feel it strange why wouldn't BMW put it to M3 Coupe? may be there > are downsides to it? No downside...its just saved BMW a few bucks to not use it on all of 'em... Dave
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace - from Mpower
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:56:38 -0700 From: Mpower <mpower@obikwan.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Don't forget the X brace Speaking of x-braces. I think I'm going to sell mine. Mine is brand new in the box! Heck, I haven't even opened it yet since I got it. So i'm not even sure what it comes with. (I'll open the box and check and take some digital pictures). It's been sitting in my garage for the past 10months. I think I may be going to a p-car so this is for sale. (assuming I can find a 993 in the condition/price I want). If anyone is interested, shoot me an email! Thanks! ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10