E36M3 #5441

Monday, October 08, 2007 15:19:40

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#1. Fwd: FS: '95 Cosmos Black/Black M3 $9K - from Shane Kleinpeter
#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from Brian Ruiz
#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from Azik [hotmail.com]
#4. Rear end wiggling under braking - from Azik [hotmail.com]
#5. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish Performance - from Chris Gant
#6. Re: [E36M3] M3/4 Owners - Time to replace your car?? - from Jim Bassett
#7. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Jim Bassett
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from David Ngo
#9. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Gus Iverson

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#1. Fwd: FS:  '95 Cosmos Black/Black M3 $9K - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd: FS: '95 Cosmos Black/Black M3 $9K I'm posting this for a friend: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from Brian Ruiz
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:36:40 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace Azik, That part number for the X-brace is correct. You'll also want #31 in the diagram, called a "buffer stop." P/N is 11 81 1 095 700. I was able to pick up the X-brace AND buffer stop with the 6 bolts to hold it in all for just under $120 US from my local dealer, which I guess is about € 85? On 10/8/07, Azik [hotmail.com] <Azik@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:22:01 +0200 > From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace > > Thanks Lowell, > > Actually, because I have ETK, prices, TIS and local mechanic, I only give > partnumber to the parts guy and they never ask me the questions. I even > managed to get dealer discount from them. > The strut brace apperes to be installed on cabrios and Z3 from September > 1995. > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BK71&mospid=47421&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 > So looks like I am going for it! > > Question: now the rear will be not as stiff - what to do there? > > Azar > '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe > (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) > Celle, Germany > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LoweSeaton@aol.com > To: azik@hotmail.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace > > > Don't bother looking at the ETK (it won't show the X-brace either) and > for sure don't go to the dealer and ask - the parts guy at the dealership > will not sell you the X-brace no matter how hard you plead because he will > tell you it won't fit your car. The X-brace was standard on convertible > models and an owner-installed part for the '95 LTW. Go to the dealer parts > guy and tell him (lie) that you have an E36 convertible (pick any year > between '97-'99) and he will immediately know what you are talking > about. Pay your money and walk out - don't try to explain anything to the > parts guy. The convertible's X-brace fits perfectly on every E36 model. > > BMW made an E36 M3 Convertible for Europe many years before the > convertible came to the USA. And apparently, the convertible was made on > the same production line as the coupe and sedan. BMW did not make a special > subframe for the convertible - it just used the same subframe for all > models. Therefore, EVERY subframe (well - except for a few very early 1994 > production dates) has the bolt holes and nut inserts for the X-brace. And > even if you don't have the nut inserts, BMW has retrofit inserts for this > application. > > Good luck! > > Lowell Seaton > '95 M3 2-door coupe with X-brace after arguing with dealer parts idiot > -------------------------------------------------------- > In a message dated 10/8/07 10:11:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > azik@hotmail.com writes: > When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 > The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my > car? > I will be checking ETK today. > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:46:37 +0200 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace Thanks. That part costs just 9 Euro and was only built on Z3 with S54 M3 Engine. 120 bucks is a steal! I will se If i can go that much down with my discount... Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Ruiz To: Azik [hotmail.com] ; E36M3 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace Azik, That part number for the X-brace is correct. You'll also want #31 in the diagram, called a "buffer stop." P/N is 11 81 1 095 700. I was able to pick up the X-brace AND buffer stop with the 6 bolts to hold it in all for just under $120 US from my local dealer, which I guess is about € 85? On 10/8/07, Azik [hotmail.com] <Azik@hotmail.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:22:01 +0200 From: "Azik [hotmail.com ]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace Thanks Lowell, Actually, because I have ETK, prices, TIS and local mechanic, I only give partnumber to the parts guy and they never ask me the questions. I even managed to get dealer discount from them. The strut brace apperes to be installed on cabrios and Z3 from September 1995. http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BK71&mospid=47421&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 So looks like I am going for it! Question: now the rear will be not as stiff - what to do there? Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com To: azik@hotmail.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace Don't bother looking at the ETK (it won't show the X-brace either) and for sure don't go to the dealer and ask - the parts guy at the dealership will not sell you the X-brace no matter how hard you plead because he will tell you it won't fit your car. The X-brace was standard on convertible models and an owner-installed part for the '95 LTW. Go to the dealer parts guy and tell him (lie) that you have an E36 convertible (pick any year between '97-'99) and he will immediately know what you are talking about. Pay your money and walk out - don't try to explain anything to the parts guy. The convertible's X-brace fits perfectly on every E36 model. BMW made an E36 M3 Convertible for Europe many years before the convertible came to the USA. And apparently, the convertible was made on the same production line as the coupe and sedan. BMW did not make a special subframe for the convertible - it just used the same subframe for all models. Therefore, EVERY subframe (well - except for a few very early 1994 production dates) has the bolt holes and nut inserts for the X-brace. And even if you don't have the nut inserts, BMW has retrofit inserts for this application. Good luck! Lowell Seaton '95 M3 2-door coupe with X-brace after arguing with dealer parts idiot -------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 10/8/07 10:11:00 AM Central Daylight Time, azik@hotmail.com writes: When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my car? I will be checking ETK today. Best Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#4. Rear end wiggling under braking - from Azik [hotmail.com]
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:52:20 +0200 From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Rear end wiggling under braking I already mentioned that I had problems under hard braking. I made wheel alignment and changed RSM's with reinforced ones. i havn't been able to test the results yet but neither before replacing bushings (my bushings are replacement from Z4 (rear) as the M3's are not produced any longer. I've been told that they are softer), neither after I had no problems accelerating. only "wiggling" in the corners on bad surface. After changing the bushings that problems seems like solved but trip to Nurburgring revealed problem under hard braking. the suspension seems OK, checked by racing mechanics, although I didn't check any parts for bents. But I did schock absober test and it showed that rears are softer that fronts but within spec (for normal cars). Is this normal? Thanks Azar '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) Celle, Germany

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish Performance - from Chris Gant
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:23:14 -0500 From: "Chris Gant" <cgant2112@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish Performance Kurt, A quick and easy way to test the vanos is to unplug the solenoid from the harness and take it for a test drive. If you don't feel any difference in low end torque (below 4k rpm) then it could very well be the vanos. Keep in mind the vanos is 'activated' at low RPM's, to give the car better low end torque. Once you reach approx. 4k, (dependent on throttle position, load, air temp, etc) it will retard the intake cam back, to reduce valve overlap at high RPM's. So with a bad vanos, the car would feel sluggish off the line but pick up noticeably in the upper RPM's. If you decide to swap the vanos out, let me know. I have a stage I and stage II vanos upgrade available, as can even rent the cam tools as well. Someone had also mentioned a group buy on the DrVanos kits a few weeks ago. I'm more than willing to do that if there is enough interest. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Lee Piccione [mailto:lepiccione@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:54 AM To: Resener, Kurt Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 My car did the same thing last summer. My Vanos had stopped working. Pretty common... -lee --- "Resener, Kurt" <KurtResener@IamMorrison.com>

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#6. Re: [E36M3] M3/4 Owners - Time to replace your car?? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3/4 Owners - Time to replace your car?? On Sat, October 6, 2007 5:58 pm, dgc wrote: > The battery seemed to put up with the > starvation just fine, in case anyone wonders. Lucky you :-) My alternator went out a few months ago as I driving home from Belmont (about 45 miles away). Amazingly the car kept running, although I did rev it a bit at the 2 stop lights between the freeway and home just to make sure it didn't die. Battery was completely dead when I pulled in the garage, but it did have some juice the next morning - enough for me to center it in the garage in order to work on it :-) Replaced both the alternator & battery - good as new. Jim Bassett

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 On Mon, October 8, 2007 8:48 am, dgc wrote: > Have you tried chemotherapy? For the car, that is... It's a relatively > cheap first step. Specifically, clean the MAF. I've used CRC brand cleaner > (5-8$ per can) to good effect on my 96. I clean it every time I change the > air filter. One can is enough for four or five cleanings. Check the air > cleaner for big chunks too. A clogged air filter can really strangle the > motor. When's the last time you changed the fuel filter? Fresh plugs every > few years can't hurt either. > > I'd be inclined to take care of the baseline/tune-up type items first. I'll second what David suggested. Start with the basics, do a complete tune-up/Inspection Service: Change the oil & filter, air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs. Transmission & diff fluid too while you're at it. Cleaning the MAF is a really good suggestion (I need to note to do that more often :-)). The oil/filter & air filter should be changed/cleaned regularly, and the other items shouldn't go more than 40,000 without being changed. IMO. And all of that is DIY with a few basic tools and an afternoon - number of beers may vary :-) Jim Bassett

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace - from David Ngo
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace The buffer stop does not do anything useful when installed on a M3. It sits too far away from the oil ban to provide any sort of support. IIRC it is only useful when the X brace is installed on Z3s. Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Ruiz <eurowerke@gmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 1:38:40 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:36:40 -0700 From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Don't forget the X brace Azik, That part number for the X-brace is correct. You'll also want #31 in the diagram, called a "buffer stop.." P/N is 11 81 1 095 700. I was able to pick up the X-brace AND buffer stop with the 6 bolts to hold it in all for just under $120 US from my local dealer, which I guess is about ¤ 85? On 10/8/07, Azik [hotmail.com] <Azik@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:22:01 +0200 > From: "Azik [hotmail.com]" <Azik@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace > > Thanks Lowell, > > Actually, because I have ETK, prices, TIS and local mechanic, I only give > partnumber to the parts guy and they never ask me the questions. I even > managed to get dealer discount from them. > The strut brace apperes to be installed on cabrios and Z3 from September > 1995. > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BK71&mospid=47421&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 > So looks like I am going for it! > > Question: now the rear will be not as stiff - what to do there? > > Azar > '97 528iA and '98 M3 Coupe > (oOO \ (||||)(||||) / OOo) > Celle, Germany > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LoweSeaton@aol.com > To: azik@hotmail.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Don't forget the X brace > > > Don't bother looking at the ETK (it won't show the X-brace either) and > for sure don't go to the dealer and ask - the parts guy at the dealership > will not sell you the X-brace no matter how hard you plead because he will > tell you it won't fit your car. The X-brace was standard on convertible > models and an owner-installed part for the '95 LTW. Go to the dealer parts > guy and tell him (lie) that you have an E36 convertible (pick any year > between '97-'99) and he will immediately know what you are talking > about. Pay your money and walk out - don't try to explain anything to the > parts guy. The convertible's X-brace fits perfectly on every E36 model. > > BMW made an E36 M3 Convertible for Europe many years before the > convertible came to the USA. And apparently, the convertible was made on > the same production line as the coupe and sedan. BMW did not make a special > subframe for the convertible - it just used the same subframe for all > models. Therefore, EVERY subframe (well - except for a few very early 1994 > production dates) has the bolt holes and nut inserts for the X-brace. And > even if you don't have the nut inserts, BMW has retrofit inserts for this > application. > > Good luck! > > Lowell Seaton > '95 M3 2-door coupe with X-brace after arguing with dealer parts idiot > -------------------------------------------------------- > In a message dated 10/8/07 10:11:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > azik@hotmail.com writes: > When I browse realoem.com with my cars VIN i see this > > http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG91&mospid=47433&btnr=41_0936&hg=41&fg=10 > The number 7 is definitely there but number 16 is not available for my > car? > I will be checking ETK today. > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:58:48 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 As far as cleaning the MAF, are you using an "electronics cleaner" due to its' sensitive nature? I know CRC makes a wide array of cleaners including their brake clean product and I can't see using brake clean as I assume it may mess with the coating, etc. If using "electronics cleaner", are you simply spraying it over the sensor and letting it air dry? Shel ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:14:02 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 Please bring replies to the list on this one - I need to do this soon as well. On 10/8/07, Shelhart2@aol.com <Shelhart2@aol.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:58:48 EDT > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sluggish M3 > > As far as cleaning the MAF, are you using an "electronics cleaner" due to > its' sensitive nature? I know CRC makes a wide array of cleaners including > their brake clean product and I can't see using brake clean as I assume it may > mess with the coating, etc. If using "electronics cleaner", are you simply > spraying it over the sensor and letting it air dry? > > Shel > >

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