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#1. Re: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood - from Jason Knight
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood My wife has a carbon fibre hood on her (non e36 m3) race car. It weighs 6 pounds. If someone is making a cf hood that weighs 35-45 pounds I imagine they're using weigh (ha!) too much resin. If you can find a fabrication shop near you they may be able to make a mold from your hood (this assumes of course that you have a hood from a 4 door currently) then make a cf hood from that mold. I know a shop that could do it on the West coast (Blaine Fabrication in Santa Cruz) but I believe you're an east coaster. I imagine someone on the list knows someone.... Jason ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:04:18 AM Subject: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:00:03 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Carbon Fiber Hood I am trying to source a carbon fiber hood for my four-door. I was at BMWCCA picnic awhile back where a couple of guys recommended Seibon products. Seibon only sells through distributors so I contacted one of them and they tell me the hood weighs "35-45" pounds. This seems way too high. The stock hood supposedly weighs 45 lbs. Ma Shaw makes a nice GTR hood that weighs something like ten-twelve pounds. But, it's expensive, and has the open slats on it, not very practical I suppose for when it rains. Anybody know good source for carbon fiber hood? They appear to be harder to find for the four-door than the coupe from what my preliminary research suggests. I just purchased the CF sunroof panel, and am looking forward to installing that this coming week-end. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Delaware ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from Mark D
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:34:09 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist Since you have to suspend the engine, seems like a good time to take out the oil pan, replace the oil pump and do main bearings. I did the mounts in my 3000GT and an impact wrench was worth it's weight in gold (as well as 2-3 feet worth of 1/2" extensions). Something people are not pointing out here that is worth noting is that the OEM mounts have safety features built in (my assumption is to disconnect and drop the engine in a collision) that poly mounts and others don' have. Careful what you decide on. Thanks, Mark Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:48:10 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > How difficult(beers) is the mount replacement? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:44 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:35:47 -0400 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > on 10/22/07 10:54 PM, "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I'm still not sure what to check the engine mounts for...? Happy to do >> so, but I'm clueless as to what would indicate a problem. >> > > Cracking and separating of the rubber. The problem is that they're not > very > visible as installed, so to really get a look at them you need to > partially > detach the mounts. At that point you might as well go ahead and replace > them > anyway. You should also check the subframe for cracking where the mounts > bolt to it. > > I suspect that any M3 should have its motor mounts replaced by around > 100K > unless it's only been driven gently - bwahahaha! Good one! - or sooner > if > its tracked. I installed new stock mounts at maybe 70K miles while the > front > subframe was off for other reasons. The exhaust side mount wasn't in > good > condition, the other seemed OK. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:44:32 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Transmission support / torque twist I was looking at thr rogue site and saw engine mounts which drop the engine 5mm. Thoughts on these? Other considerations when installing? Also, my power sterring hoses got pulled apart at an event late last year. Seems like this was a problem before I knew. I am guessing that makes the replacement of these more important. On 10/23/07, marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:59:35 -0400 > From: marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > Bimmerworld? They have some new Gruppe N-like motor mounts for $199, > regular price $249. > http://www.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/Product930 > > marty > > Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:41:37 -0500 > > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > > > I remember e36M3 radiator neck failure discussion along the line of this > > subject to the extent of the hoses being tugged on by excessive engine > > movement. One of our list sponsor had/has a sale on grupe-N like mounts > > for what I remember was I reasonable price. Now if I could just > > remember who it was.... > > > > Patrick > > 97 M3/4 > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#4. Re: Carbon Fiber Hood - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:49:16 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Hood on 10/23/07 10:04 AM, "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > I am trying to source a carbon fiber hood for my four-door. I was at BMWCCA > picnic awhile back where a couple of guys recommended Seibon products. > Seibon only sells through distributors so I contacted one of them and they > tell me the hood weighs "35-45" pounds. That sounds more like shipping weight? A hood is pretty big and would take lots of packing material. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#5. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:57:47 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news It looks to me that there is a typo there. The 128i has unladen weights listed as 3252 (3329) (automatic weight is in parenthesis). The 135i lists 3732 (3384). I bet they mean 3332 for the manual 135i. There's no way the manual car outweighs the automatic car by 348lbs. If so, that's not too bad. My 98 4-door weighed 3150 last time on the scale. Mostly stock, 1/4 tank of gas, no spare. 2 generations on, and with more power (2 turbos and hardware), more airbags, more chassis stiffness, more crash worthiness, etc and it's only 182lbs more? Not too bad, really. Paul Andrews 98 M3/4 # 42 STU -----Original Message----- From: Marco Romani [mailto:marco@corsa-na.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:24 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:15:42 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Yeah guess I was looking at the laden weight of 3732. Unladen is 3384. What the hell is unladen weight - does that include fuel? What ever happened to curb (kerb) weight? And only 348lbs of payload. Me and my wife and one piece of luggage. We'd have to leave the kids at home ;-) http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series_coup e_catalogue.pdf See page 14. -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Not 600lbs heavier - more like 250lbs. E36 is 3175, 135 is 3430. wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap mods - intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it stock for warrantee coverage). Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth 250lbs to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. Couple other things to factor in: New 135 is going to be close to $40K with tax and options. The nicest E36 M3 with low miles is about half that. 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and maybe a couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. Steering / brake feel - for sure advantage M3. LSD - advantage M3. 135 will have a full warrantee and maint. But is that worth $20K? Not sure I'm convinced of that. I think at this point I would pick up a nice low miles 98-99 E36 M3 and put the other $20K towards the kids college fund. Scott --- Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:30:38 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > Hmm slightly smaller than an E36 M3 and weighs > 600lbs + more. Cool. Where > did they hide the lead? It does have a tiny bit > better weight/hp ratio. > > Marco > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:54 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest > news > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:53:05 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > Group, > > > > For those of you that did not receive the BMW > 1-series email here is the > link: > > > > http://links.emails.bmwusa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTc4NDYyS0&r=MTQ1MzQ0MTM1 > MAS2&j=Mzg5MDEwNzkS1&mt=1 > > enjoy! > > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdriver13@aol.com > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 3:14 pm > Subject: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:08:34 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > Group, > > Okay, since it must be a slow day, did anyone else > get the email from BMWNA > on > the new 135 series coupe?? Or am I just special > ;-))? > > This still looks like the hot ticket to me.? Closest > thing to the e36 series > in > years.? I'm getting goose-bumps already!? > Electronically controlled limited > slip > differential -- is this a good thing? > > cheers, > > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. 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#6. Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:02:08 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Transmission support / torque twist on 10/23/07 8:48 AM, Goss, Patrick - PA at Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM wrote: > How difficult(beers) is the mount replacement? It's not hard, but is a bit fiddly to do. The motor rests on the mount, and the mount on the front subframe. You have to separate the motor and the subframe enough to free the motor mount studs and extract the mount itself. This can be done by a judicious mix of raising the engine by from above or jacking from below, and/or loosening the subframe bolts to lower that. At the same time you have to have the car up high enough to get underneath, but not so high that you can't use a jack to raise the engine. When we installed poly mounts in a friend's race car early this year the exhaust side mount lifted right off, complete with the cracked off bit of subframe it was bolted to. BobK trimmed a washer and skillfully welded that in to replace the broken metal. Turner also sells pre-cut weld-in reinforcement kits. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Re: Question RE UUC Shortshifter - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:03:46 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Question RE UUC Shortshifter I also had this problem. I bled the clutch hydraulics, and it was better. My clutch slave might be failing, it feels like it might be getting harder to get into first again. But then again, the temp dropped a bit this past week. -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Barbieri [mailto:larry@logicalconclusions.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:34 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Question RE UUC Shortshifter Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:36:16 -0400 From: "Lawrence Barbieri" <larry@logicalconclusions.com> Subject: Re: Question RE UUC Shortshifter Kevin, Have you looked under the clutch for an aftermarket clutch stop? Some times if the clutch stop is adjusted too high you'll have trouble getting into first gear. If there is a clutch stop, take it out and see if that works better. Then you can replace it with the proper adjustment. Just trying to rule out the simple stuff first. - Larry -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:13:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> > Subject: Question RE UUC Shortshifter > > I have a new to me '95 M3 with the UCC SS. I am not > exactly sure which model but it was installed within > the last 2 years. I just had the transmission fluid > replaced with Redline ATF. Before and after the fluid > change, it is very difficult to get in first gear to > the extent that I have to put it in as I roll to a > stop. I have yet to check under the shift boot to see > if I can extend the height. In my M5 I have the UUC > kit with a stainless steel knob and it is quite > smooth. However, the effort in the M3 is just too > great. Any near stock solutions? Seriously, I am not > going to lose to much time on track with a longer > throw and in my opinion the increase in effort offsets > any benefit at the moment. > > Kevin Kelly > '95 M3 > '91 M5
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from marty
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:14:19 -0400 From: marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist I installed some of those Bimmerworld mounts on my car last week, replacing some Ireland Engineering polyurethane mounts. I also have RE transmission mounts, installed late last year. It's an easy task - one or two beers I'd say (what's the top of the beer scale - a six-pack?). The mounts are hard and solid, no voids or hydraulics. I don't know the durometer rating - meant to ask before ordering but forgot. I'd guess the hardness is comparable to Gruppe N mounts. Rob at Bimmerworld could probably shed light on that question. I don't think my original M3 mounts are still around for comparison so I compared them to my original E34 540i motor mounts that were sitting on a bench. Using the highly refined finger poke test they are mucho stiffer. i.e. I can poke my finger in the E34 mounts and they are a bit squishy. Not so with these mounts - it takes a fingernail to make the slightest of indentations. The design is much more substantial than the IE poly mounts I replaced and I feel safer already. I've driven it only a little on the street so have had limited experience with them so far. NVH is pronounced at idle but it goes away as soon as I go above idle speed, even 100 RPMs. I think there was another point where some NVH was noticeable. I also have a lightweight flywheel which could have contributed. Engine response seems better - presumably torque is more quickly transmitted to the drivetrain w/o waiting for the motor mounts to deform. Shifting into fifth gear seems more straighforward now for some reason. I haven't been able to tell how shifting under twisting or lateral load conditions works yet. I should probably reinforce the subframe's motor mount areas. That'd be a good winter project, to include oil pan baffling and oil pump stuff. marty 96 M3 - new Bimmerworld motor mounts. 95 540i - new stock motor mounts. Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Thanks Marty and Tom, those are the ones. I wonder how these are NVH > wise? I would guess somewhere between stock and the genuine gruppe-N. > Maybe someone on the list will comment. I'd hate to go too rigid and > have a subframe failure. Had that before on a previous car, twice > actually. Does anyone know the durometer of the bimmerwrld as well as > the gruppe-n mounts? > > Patrick > 97 M3/4 >
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:29:32 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist Thanks Marty for the beer scaling, understood on your measurement, jobs over 6 are better left to the pros, otherwise you stand to forget you've done them. I've been thinking mounts are on my list to do along with many other things which involve welding as you've pondered. The RE eng mounts are an interesting alternative, (too bad almost twice the coin), with their lower mounting position. This could be the deal breaker on the subframe reinforcement, assuming it adds thickness to the mounting surface. I'll have to research that also. Seems you tear one thing apart you might as well do something else while you're in there :) However, if it's only a beer job, maybe just go mounts and do the other stuff later. -----Original Message----- From: marty [mailto:mfraiser@embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:14 AM To: Goss, Patrick - PA Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist I installed some of those Bimmerworld mounts on my car last week, replacing some Ireland Engineering polyurethane mounts. I also have RE transmission mounts, installed late last year. It's an easy task - one or two beers I'd say (what's the top of the beer scale - a six-pack?). The mounts are hard and solid, no voids or hydraulics. I don't know the durometer rating - meant to ask before ordering but forgot. I'd guess the hardness is comparable to Gruppe N mounts. Rob at Bimmerworld could probably shed light on that question. I don't think my original M3 mounts are still around for comparison so I compared them to my original E34 540i motor mounts that were sitting on a bench. Using the highly refined finger poke test they are mucho stiffer. i.e. I can poke my finger in the E34 mounts and they are a bit squishy. Not so with these mounts - it takes a fingernail to make the slightest of indentations. The design is much more substantial than the IE poly mounts I replaced and I feel safer already. I've driven it only a little on the street so have had limited experience with them so far. NVH is pronounced at idle but it goes away as soon as I go above idle speed, even 100 RPMs. I think there was another point where some NVH was noticeable. I also have a lightweight flywheel which could have contributed. Engine response seems better - presumably torque is more quickly transmitted to the drivetrain w/o waiting for the motor mounts to deform. Shifting into fifth gear seems more straighforward now for some reason. I haven't been able to tell how shifting under twisting or lateral load conditions works yet. I should probably reinforce the subframe's motor mount areas. That'd be a good winter project, to include oil pan baffling and oil pump stuff. marty 96 M3 - new Bimmerworld motor mounts. 95 540i - new stock motor mounts. Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Thanks Marty and Tom, those are the ones. I wonder how these are NVH > wise? I would guess somewhere between stock and the genuine gruppe-N. > Maybe someone on the list will comment. I'd hate to go too rigid and > have a subframe failure. Had that before on a previous car, twice > actually. Does anyone know the durometer of the bimmerwrld as well as > the gruppe-n mounts? > > Patrick > 97 M3/4 >
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:15:57 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist Yes, nothing like having a straight six come barreling into the passenger cabin during a head on! -----Original Message----- From: Mark D [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:34:09 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist Since you have to suspend the engine, seems like a good time to take out the oil pan, replace the oil pump and do main bearings. I did the mounts in my 3000GT and an impact wrench was worth it's weight in gold (as well as 2-3 feet worth of 1/2" extensions). Something people are not pointing out here that is worth noting is that the OEM mounts have safety features built in (my assumption is to disconnect and drop the engine in a collision) that poly mounts and others don' have. Careful what you decide on. Thanks, Mark Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:48:10 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > How difficult(beers) is the mount replacement? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:44 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:35:47 -0400 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Transmission support / torque twist > > on 10/22/07 10:54 PM, "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I'm still not sure what to check the engine mounts for...? Happy to do >> so, but I'm clueless as to what would indicate a problem. >> > > Cracking and separating of the rubber. The problem is that they're not > very > visible as installed, so to really get a look at them you need to > partially > detach the mounts. At that point you might as well go ahead and replace > them > anyway. You should also check the subframe for cracking where the mounts > bolt to it. > > I suspect that any M3 should have its motor mounts replaced by around > 100K > unless it's only been driven gently - bwahahaha! Good one! - or sooner > if > its tracked. I installed new stock mounts at maybe 70K miles while the > front > subframe was off for other reasons. The exhaust side mount wasn't in > good > condition, the other seemed OK. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************