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#1. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Carbon Fiber Hood - from Marco Romani
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:33:02 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Carbon Fiber Hood I agree. I have a fiberglass hood that weighs about 18lbs. Shipping weight was 40lbs. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:54 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Carbon Fiber Hood Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:49:16 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Hood on 10/23/07 10:04 AM, "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > I am trying to source a carbon fiber hood for my four-door. I was at > BMWCCA picnic awhile back where a couple of guys recommended Seibon > products. Seibon only sells through distributors so I contacted one of > them and they tell me the hood weighs "35-45" pounds. That sounds more like shipping weight? A hood is pretty big and would take lots of packing material. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.6/1086 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 7:57 PM
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#2. RE: OT: 135 coupe - latest news - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:11 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: 135 coupe - latest news Scott wrote: wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap mods - intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it stock for warrantee coverage). Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth 250lbs to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and maybe a couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. ________________________________________________ Scott, With cheap mods (exhaust/software) the 3.0 Turbo puts down 400ft tq to the wheels. 480 to the crank. A stock 335 runs low 13s and a tuned one runs mid 12s in the 1/4. Ahmad
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#3. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news your E36 M3? --- Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:40:33 -0700 > From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > Mine was just on the scales when we corner balanced > it. 3553 with me > and a full tank of gas. > > If it was 3533, I'd be a whole hell of a lot happier > on a number of levels. > > My friends who run the shop (quick plug: > http://www.tcmotorsports.net > - fantastic shop and great people) had a great time > pointing out that > mine was the heaviest car ever to grace their > scales. > > On 10/22/07, Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> > wrote: > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:15:42 -0700 > > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > > > Yeah guess I was looking at the laden weight of > 3732. Unladen is 3384. > > What the hell is unladen weight - does that > include fuel? What ever > > happened to curb (kerb) weight? And only 348lbs > of payload. Me and my wife > > and one piece of luggage. We'd have to leave the > kids at home ;-) > > > > > http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series_coup > > e_catalogue.pdf > > > > See page 14. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:04 PM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > > > Not 600lbs heavier - more like 250lbs. > > > > E36 is 3175, 135 is 3430. > > > > wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap > mods - > > intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it > > stock for warrantee coverage). > > > > Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth > 250lbs > > to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. > > > > Couple other things to factor in: > > New 135 is going to be close to $40K with tax and > > options. > > > > The nicest E36 M3 with low miles is about half > that. > > > > 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and > maybe a > > couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. Steering / brake > > feel - for sure advantage M3. LSD - advantage M3. > > 135 will have a full warrantee and maint. But is > that > > worth $20K? Not sure I'm convinced of that. I > think > > at this point I would pick up a nice low miles > 98-99 > > E36 M3 and put the other $20K towards the kids > college > > fund. > > > > Scott > > > > --- Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:30:38 -0700 > > > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > > > latest news > > > > > > Hmm slightly smaller than an E36 M3 and weighs > > > 600lbs + more. Cool. Where > > > did they hide the lead? It does have a tiny bit > > > better weight/hp ratio. > > > > > > Marco > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:54 AM > > > To: E36M3 > > > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest > > > news > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:53:05 -0400 > > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > For those of you that did not receive the BMW > > > 1-series email here is the > > > link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://links.emails.bmwusa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTc4NDYyS0&r=MTQ1MzQ0MTM1 > > > MAS2&j=Mzg5MDEwNzkS1&mt=1 > > > > > > enjoy! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Gill > > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > > Philly Region SCCA > > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 3:14 pm > > > Subject: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:08:34 -0400 > > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > > Subject: OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > Okay, since it must be a slow day, did anyone > else > > > get the email from BMWNA > > > on > > > the new 135 series coupe?? Or am I just special > > > ;-))? > > > > > > This still looks like the hot ticket to me.? > Closest > > > thing to the e36 series > > > in > > > years.? I'm getting goose-bumps already!? > > > Electronically controlled limited > > > slip > > > differential -- is this a good thing? > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > Bob Gill > > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > > Philly Region SCCA > > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta > check > > > out free AOL Mail! - > > > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > === message truncated ===
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#4. Re: Transmission support / torque twist - from RFKoby@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:42:02 EDT From: RFKoby@aol.com Subject: Re: Transmission support / torque twist In a message dated 10/23/2007 12:35:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: BobK trimmed a washer and skillfully welded that in to replace the broken metal. Neil, thanks for the shameless plug for "Bob's Garage", aka "Bob's Garage Mahal" BobK ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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#5. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Interesting - the on-line review showed about 100lbs heavier in weight. If it really is just a hair over 3300lbs that isn't too bad at all. 3450 as listed by the website review is starting to get porky however. I've always thought a 4 seat car the size of the E46 M3 with similar power but at least 100lbs less weight would make for a good car. BMW just might be delivering that with the 135i - and at a price point that is $15K under the E46 M3 too, which is not a minor factor. Scott --- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:57:47 -0400 > From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > It looks to me that there is a typo there. The 128i > has unladen weights > listed as 3252 (3329) (automatic weight is in > parenthesis). The 135i lists > 3732 (3384). I bet they mean 3332 for the manual > 135i. There's no way the > manual car outweighs the automatic car by 348lbs. > > If so, that's not too bad. My 98 4-door weighed > 3150 last time on the > scale. Mostly stock, 1/4 tank of gas, no spare. > 2 generations on, and with more power (2 turbos and > hardware), more airbags, > more chassis stiffness, more crash worthiness, etc > and it's only 182lbs > more? Not too bad, really. > > Paul Andrews > 98 M3/4 > # 42 STU > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marco Romani [mailto:marco@corsa-na.com] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:24 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:15:42 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > Yeah guess I was looking at the laden weight of > 3732. Unladen is 3384. > What the hell is unladen weight - does that include > fuel? What ever > happened to curb (kerb) weight? And only 348lbs of > payload. Me and my wife > and one piece of luggage. We'd have to leave the > kids at home ;-) > > http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series_coup > e_catalogue.pdf > > See page 14. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:04 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > Not 600lbs heavier - more like 250lbs. > > E36 is 3175, 135 is 3430. > > wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap mods > - > intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it > stock for warrantee coverage). > > Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth 250lbs > to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. > > Couple other things to factor in: > New 135 is going to be close to $40K with tax and > options. > > The nicest E36 M3 with low miles is about half that. > > 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and maybe > a > couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. Steering / brake > feel - for sure advantage M3. LSD - advantage M3. > 135 will have a full warrantee and maint. But is > that > worth $20K? Not sure I'm convinced of that. I > think > at this point I would pick up a nice low miles 98-99 > E36 M3 and put the other $20K towards the kids > college > fund. > > Scott > > --- Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:30:38 -0700 > > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > > latest news > > > > Hmm slightly smaller than an E36 M3 and weighs > > 600lbs + more. Cool. Where > > did they hide the lead? It does have a tiny bit > > better weight/hp ratio. > > > > Marco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:54 AM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest > > news > > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:53:05 -0400 > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > For those of you that did not receive the BMW > > 1-series email here is the > > link: > > > > > > > > > http://links.emails.bmwusa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTc4NDYyS0&r=MTQ1MzQ0MTM1 > > MAS2&j=Mzg5MDEwNzkS1&mt=1 > > > > enjoy! > > > > > > > > Bob Gill > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > Philly Region SCCA > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 3:14 pm > > Subject: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:08:34 -0400 > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > Subject: OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > Group, > > > > Okay, since it must be a slow day, did anyone else > > get the email from BMWNA > > on > > the new 135 series coupe?? Or am I just special > > ;-))? > > > > This still looks like the hot ticket to me.? > Closest > > thing to the e36 series > > in > > years.? I'm getting goose-bumps already!? > > Electronically controlled limited > > slip > > differential -- is this a good thing? > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Bob Gill > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > Philly Region SCCA > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check > > out free AOL Mail! - > > http://mail.aol.com > === message truncated ===
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#6. Post tails - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:03:30 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Post tails Mind your 'tails' please!!! -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:40:33 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Mine was just on the scales when we corner balanced it. 3553 with me and a full tank of gas. If it was 3533, I'd be a whole hell of a lot happier on a number of levels. My friends who run the shop (quick plug: http://www.tcmotorsports.net <http://www.tcmotorsports.net/> - fantastic shop and great people) had a great time pointing out that mine was the heaviest car ever to grace their scales. On 10/22/07, Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:15:42 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > Yeah guess I was looking at the laden weight of 3732. Unladen is 3384. > What the hell is unladen weight - does that include fuel? What ever > happened to curb (kerb) weight? And only 348lbs of payload. Me and my wife > and one piece of luggage. We'd have to leave the kids at home ;-) > > http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series_ coup <http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/1series2008/assets/pdf/2008_1series _coup> > e_catalogue.pdf > > See page 14. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net <mailto:smlists@pacbell.net> ] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:04 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:02:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > Not 600lbs heavier - more like 250lbs. > > E36 is 3175, 135 is 3430. > > wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap mods - > intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it > stock for warrantee coverage). > > Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth 250lbs > to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. > > Couple other things to factor in: > New 135 is going to be close to $40K with tax and > options. > > The nicest E36 M3 with low miles is about half that. > > 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and maybe a > couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. Steering / brake > feel - for sure advantage M3. LSD - advantage M3. > 135 will have a full warrantee and maint. But is that > worth $20K? Not sure I'm convinced of that. I think > at this point I would pick up a nice low miles 98-99 > E36 M3 and put the other $20K towards the kids college > fund. > > Scott > > --- Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:30:38 -0700 > > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > > latest news > > > > Hmm slightly smaller than an E36 M3 and weighs > > 600lbs + more. Cool. Where > > did they hide the lead? It does have a tiny bit > > better weight/hp ratio. > > > > Marco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com <mailto:mdriver13@aol.com> ] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:54 AM > > To: E36M3 > > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest > > news > > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:53:05 -0400 > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > For those of you that did not receive the BMW > > 1-series email here is the > > link: > > > > > > > > > http://links.emails.bmwusa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTc4NDYyS0&r=MTQ1MzQ0 MTM1 <http://links.emails.bmwusa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=NTc4NDYyS0&r=MTQ1MzQ 0MTM1> > > MAS2&j=Mzg5MDEwNzkS1&mt=1 > > > > enjoy! > > > > > > > > Bob Gill > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > Philly Region SCCA > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 3:14 pm > > Subject: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:08:34 -0400 > > From: mdriver13@aol.com > > Subject: OT: 135 coupe - latest news > > > > Group, > > > > Okay, since it must be a slow day, did anyone else > > get the email from BMWNA > > on > > the new 135 series coupe?? Or am I just special > > ;-))? > > > > This still looks like the hot ticket to me.? Closest > > thing to the e36 series > > in > > years.? I'm getting goose-bumps already!? > > Electronically controlled limited > > slip > > differential -- is this a good thing? > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Bob Gill > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > Philly Region SCCA > > 2005/2006 Philly Region BSP Champion > > Sponsored by WCC & Rogue Engineering > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check > > out free AOL Mail! - > > http://mail.aol.com <http://mail.aol.com/> > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > > sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com <http://www.turnermotorsport.com/> > > Eurosport High Performance > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com <http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/> > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com <http://www.rogueengineering.com/> > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com <http://www.treehouseracing.com/> > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com <http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/> > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm <http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm> > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - > > Release Date: 10/19/2007 > > 5:10 AM > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > > sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com <http://www.turnermotorsport.com/> > > Eurosport High Performance > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com <http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/> > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com <http://www.rogueengineering.com/> > > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com <http://www.treehouseracing.com/> > > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com <http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/> > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm <http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm> > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com <http://www.turnermotorsport.com/> > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com <http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/> > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com <http://www.rogueengineering.com/> > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com <http://www.treehouseracing.com/> > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com <http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/> > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm <http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm> > ************************************************* > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 > 2:59 PM > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com <http://www.turnermotorsport.com/> > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com <http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com/> > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com <http://www.rogueengineering.com/> > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com <http://www.treehouseracing.com/> > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com <http://www.elephantmotorsports.com/> > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm <http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm> > *************************************************
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#7. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:23:03 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news I bet BMW quotes the weight with an empty gas tank. Fill a 16-gallon tank, that adds up to about 100 lbs.... -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:54 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - latest news Interesting - the on-line review showed about 100lbs heavier in weight. If it really is just a hair over 3300lbs that isn't too bad at all. 3450 as listed by the website review is starting to get porky however. I've always thought a 4 seat car the size of the E46 M3 with similar power but at least 100lbs less weight would make for a good car. BMW just might be delivering that with the 135i - and at a price point that is $15K under the E46 M3 too, which is not a minor factor. Scott --- Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:57:47 -0400 > From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] OT: 135 coupe - > latest news > > It looks to me that there is a typo there. The 128i > has unladen weights > listed as 3252 (3329) (automatic weight is in > parenthesis). The 135i lists > 3732 (3384). I bet they mean 3332 for the manual > 135i. There's no way the > manual car outweighs the automatic car by 348lbs. > > If so, that's not too bad. My 98 4-door weighed > 3150 last time on the > scale. Mostly stock, 1/4 tank of gas, no spare. > 2 generations on, and with more power (2 turbos and > hardware), more airbags, > more chassis stiffness, more crash worthiness, etc > and it's only 182lbs > more? Not too bad, really. > > Paul Andrews > 98 M3/4 > # 42 STU
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#8. Isolating battery drain? Was Fuel Pump Failure - from Steve Klein
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:55:37 -0500 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Isolating battery drain? Was Fuel Pump Failure Hello, Gang, and thank you for the responses and help last week with my no-start fuel issue. I got a replacement pump from BMA last week and finally had a chance to put it in last night and the car fired right up! However, a secondary problem cropped up in the midst of the fuel pump issue, and I'm not certain if they're related or just coincidental. Recap: Last wed, crank car, lots of crank no fire. (tank was below 1/8th, and parked on slight sideways incline towards passenger/pump side). Add 3gal. and the car fires, but idles with much stumbling. Revs okay. It's late, so I leave the car overnight thinking to run it in the morning. Thur: Go to start car (started last time), but again, all crank, no fire. Battery is strong and cranks hard, but same problem as before. Now I know fuel level isn't a culprit. I can tell it's taking it's toll on the battery, so I leave it so I don't drain it too much, write Die Grüppe for help. Conclude after 180k it's time to order pump. Thur Eve: Go to crank car again and test relay and voltage at the pump, but car is dead. No dome lights, no power. I'm under a heavy workload, so I leave the car until I can get the new pump. Sun: Pull battery and put on charger. Mon: Re-install battery, make fused jumper and get good voltage test at fuel pump connection. Install fuel pump. Start car. Woohoo! Car starts within 3sec. and runs like a champ. Great! Button everything back up and leave it for the night. Today: Open car and see that dome light comes on, but is very dim. No power and it barely turns over. Not nearly enough to start. Return to Die Grüppe for help. This happened after the fuel pump gave out and I'd cranked the car one day, left it and cranked it again the second. Could they possibly be related to my cranking? I'm quite familiar with electronics, and I know the various methodologies, but I've never actually had to trace a current drain on a car before. Can anyone offer procedures or links for the process of testing drain at the battery? Do you pull fuses one by one until the circuit is located? Thanks for your reading time any help or advice you can offer. Steve.
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#9. Isolating Current Drain: Self Chastising - from Steve Klein
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:02:18 -0500 From: Steve Klein <s.klein@steveklein.cc> Subject: Isolating Current Drain: Self Chastising http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm Before I went chicken littleing to Die Grüppe, I should have read the results of my googling. The battery an Exide and at least 7yrs old, but takes and holds a charge perfectly and tests fine, so I'm going to proceed with the fuse by fuse by relay method. Sorry for the bandwaste, Steve
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#10. Calculating Parasitic Drivetrain Loss - from Matt Bader
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:20:09 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Calculating Parasitic Drivetrain Loss This may seem like a purely academic question, but I see numbers all over the place regarding drive train power loss from motor to wheels. See the post below. In general, I see references to calculating parasitic losses based on some factor X. These numbers are usually in the range of 15%-20% drivetrain loss. Let's say a stock E36 M3 is rated at 240 crank horsepower. These typically dyno at about 200-205 whp. So we are talking about a loss of 35-40 hp from engine to wheels, let's say 18-19% loss. I would think that would be a fairly fixed number, not dependent on the power of the engine per se. So, let's say you upgrade the motor to 300 e.g. a stage II cam kit or whatever), and want to calculate whp. If you use the 18% factor, you are left with roughly 246 whp, a loss of 54hp. These are numbers I have actually seen on dyno charts so the formula seems to hold. But, how is it that the parasitic loss from example A is roughly 35 hp and from example B it is 54 hp? To me, that somewhat defies logic. Seems to me that, all things being equal, the parasitic loss for both vehicles should be roughly the same. Thus the 300 hp car should dyno at roughly 265hp. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:44 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: OT: 135 coupe - latest news Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:11 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: OT: 135 coupe - latest news Scott wrote: wt / hp goes from 12 (assuming the common cheap mods - intake / chip for E36) to 11 (assuming leaving it stock for warrantee coverage). Is the 1 point better weight / hp ratio worth 250lbs to go with it? That remains to be seen I guess. 135 might be a couple tenths quicker to 60 and maybe a couple more tenths by the 1/4mi. ________________________________________________ Scott, With cheap mods (exhaust/software) the 3.0 Turbo puts down 400ft tq to the wheels. 480 to the crank. A stock 335 runs low 13s and a tuned one runs mid 12s in the 1/4. Ahmad