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#1. Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:54 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? My car is a 97 M3 (gutted, caged, prepped, cams, rcomps, etc). My Engine oil pickup point is also carefully optimized, I'm running a baffled pan as well, and I run Amsoil 20w50 Racing Oil (TRO). Marco's numbers are what I was seeing on a hot day, 230-250F (85-90F Ambient) on my 97 m3 when driving very hard w/o an oil Cooler. When I threw the euro oil cooler in, I saw temps for similarly temp'd days drop down to around 220F Max. Cooler Days (60-70F) would see a max of around 200-210F, sometimes a tad lower depending on Ambient. If you're going to track the car regularly, the Oil cooler is something you should definitely do. I really am in love with the design of the euro cooler since it doens't block any airflow into the radiator. When combined with the JTD underpanel and the air fin that blocks the air from escaping below it, you really get some efficient use of the air coming into the facia for radiator/oil cooler. On 10/25/07, Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:28 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > Around 230-250 if driven really hard and you don't have a cooler. I would > see up to 270 on really hot days running in dirty air during a race w/out > a > cooler, but moving into clean air would quickly drop the oil and water > temps. > > The frankenmotor was running 270 w/out a cooler, but dropped back to the > 230-250 range with a cooler. > Marco > CTS-V runs 240 all the time > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Hudson [mailto:jwhud@budget.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:24 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:20:58 -0700 > From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > As we go sliding down the slippery slope, slippery slope, slippery slope. > Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream. :-) > > Sorry, no idea of oil temps. Gaugeless with head in sand ;-) > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kjk" <quierom5@yahoo.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> > Subject: Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > Now that I have had the opportunity to actually drive > my '95 M3 for a couple of weeks I was wondering kind > of oil temps I can expect. The prior owner(s) > installed set of gauges and most of the time it is > running somewhere between 170-200. My M5 had an oil > cooler so even on track on the hottest days it would > maybe go to 210 or so. After all the work I had done, > the mechanic put in Swepco 20/50. I am interested in > knowing what I can expect when the car is driven hard. > Thanks. > > Kevin > > P.S. I did have the pan baffled and oil pump pick up > point optimized while he was in there doing the oil > pump nut. > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: > 10/25/2007 > 1:14 PM > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#2. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? - from Marco Romani
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:46:33 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? I'll agree with Ben on the efficiency of the BMW cooler, BUT (there is always a but) the placement can be problematic if you are apt to have off track excursions. I can't tell you how many of those I've seen ripped off during an agro moment. IIRC correctly one guy didn't even realize it until he spun later on in his own oil and ran the engine with no pressure for a short time. So if you do go with a euro cooler just be aware of the pitfalls. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Hirsch [mailto:benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:34 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:54 -0700 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? My car is a 97 M3 (gutted, caged, prepped, cams, rcomps, etc). My Engine oil pickup point is also carefully optimized, I'm running a baffled pan as well, and I run Amsoil 20w50 Racing Oil (TRO). Marco's numbers are what I was seeing on a hot day, 230-250F (85-90F Ambient) on my 97 m3 when driving very hard w/o an oil Cooler. When I threw the euro oil cooler in, I saw temps for similarly temp'd days drop down to around 220F Max. Cooler Days (60-70F) would see a max of around 200-210F, sometimes a tad lower depending on Ambient. If you're going to track the car regularly, the Oil cooler is something you should definitely do. I really am in love with the design of the euro cooler since it doens't block any airflow into the radiator. When combined with the JTD underpanel and the air fin that blocks the air from escaping below it, you really get some efficient use of the air coming into the facia for radiator/oil cooler. On 10/25/07, Marco Romani <marco@corsa-na.com> wrote: > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:00:28 -0700 > From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > Around 230-250 if driven really hard and you don't have a cooler. I > would see up to 270 on really hot days running in dirty air during a > race w/out a cooler, but moving into clean air would quickly drop the > oil and water temps. > > The frankenmotor was running 270 w/out a cooler, but dropped back to > the 230-250 range with a cooler. Marco > CTS-V runs 240 all the time > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Hudson [mailto:jwhud@budget.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:24 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:20:58 -0700 > From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > As we go sliding down the slippery slope, slippery slope, slippery > slope. Merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream. :-) > > Sorry, no idea of oil temps. Gaugeless with head in sand ;-) > > Jay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kjk" <quierom5@yahoo.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: [E36M3] Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: kjk <quierom5@yahoo.com> > Subject: Expected Oil Temps on Track? > > Now that I have had the opportunity to actually drive > my '95 M3 for a couple of weeks I was wondering kind > of oil temps I can expect. The prior owner(s) > installed set of gauges and most of the time it is > running somewhere between 170-200. My M5 had an oil > cooler so even on track on the hottest days it would > maybe go to 210 or so. After all the work I had done, > the mechanic put in Swepco 20/50. I am interested in > knowing what I can expect when the car is driven hard. Thanks. > > Kevin > > P.S. I did have the pan baffled and oil pump pick up > point optimized while he was in there doing the oil > pump nut. > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: > 10/25/2007 1:14 PM > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. 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#3. FS: Racing Dynamics Front Strut Brace for All E36 - from Michael Wylie
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:47:11 -0700 From: "Michael Wylie" <mdwylie@ix.netcom.com> Subject: FS: Racing Dynamics Front Strut Brace for All E36 Like new, RD sells for $250. Will sell for $50. Such a deal! For pick up around the North San Francisco Bay Area. http://www.racdyn-usa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD <http://www.racdyn-usa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=1 96.99.36.011> &Product_Code=196.99.36.011 Feel free to email with questions. Thanks! Mike Novato 95 M3 03 525
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#4. RE: Question RE UUC Shortshifter - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:54:54 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Question RE UUC Shortshifter Sounds like the transmission was 'hung' on the clutch disk by the input shaft during transmission installation and the center portion of the clutch disk got bent and introduced a warble/wobble to the clutch disk, and subsequent odd wear. OR The disk was not sliding on the input shaft which led to conical wear due to partial release. KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:02:21 -0400 From: "Chris Papademetrious" <chrispitude@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Question RE UUC Shortshifter Hi all, I received some off-list emails that my conically-worn clutch disc was likely due to a parts failure somewhere in the clutch/pressure plate system, rather than with the transmission being crooked. They pointed out that if the transmission were indeed crooked, I would have other issues like improper starter engagement. Apologies for my mistake (and thinking about it more, I can't imagine a BMW master mechanic putting a transmission in crooked). In any case, the symptoms definitely describe a clutch dragging for some reason. Don't do what I did and try to live with it until you trash your synchros and necessitate a rebuild. :( I can vouch that these are not cheap units to rebuild. - Chris
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#5. Mobil 1 0W-40 - from Robert Manger
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:41:48 -0400 From: "Robert Manger" <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: Mobil 1 0W-40 Hi Rich, You are correct, although finding German 0w-30 is becoming increasingly difficult if not impossible depending on your geo location within the US, hence my reason for exclusion. I was addressing his particular choice of Castrol and should have noted it. And to your point, the base stocks are not the only thing to look at, but should also be reviewed with their choice of add packs as well. Rob- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:56:38 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Mobil 1 0W-40 > > From: "Robert Manger" Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com > > Hi Mark, > > Castrol is a good oil, but only use Group III oils, so not the best for > extreme use or high performance cars. I have no interest in getting into a war about oil, but this one sentence has two significant errors. By no means do all Castrol oils only use Group III base stocks. There are a number of Castrol motor oils that use base stocks other than Group III and are readily available in the US. Castrol German 0W30 has one of the most passionate followings of any oil I have ever seen and it uses Group IV PAO and Ester base stocks. Castrol TWS also uses Group IV and Group V base stocks. There are surely a variety of Castrol oils made in Europe that would also be "full synthetics" per their definition. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that oils derived from Group III base stocks perform exceptionally well. There is much more to oil and its performance than the composition of its base stocks. Regards, Rich
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#6. Anyone coming to SEMA? - from Kirk Lachman
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:57:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Anyone coming to SEMA? Who is going to partake in sensory overload at SEMA this year? Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Anyone coming to SEMA? - from juan | bruce
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:31:47 -0700 From: "juan | bruce" <jbruce@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anyone coming to SEMA? Hey Kirk, I'll be there all week. It should be crazy. Are you going? Juan ..:: Juan Bruce :: jbruce@gmail.com :: +1.650.218.0442 ::. On 10/25/07, Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:57:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> > Subject: Anyone coming to SEMA? > > Who is going to partake in sensory overload at SEMA this year? > > Cheers, > > Kirk Lachman > Sin City Chapter > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > --
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#8. R&T review of Vishnu's 335i - from L R
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: L R <lhrc51@yahoo.com> Subject: R&T review of Vishnu's 335i LSD & an extra 120 Lbs of torque: http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=12&article_id=5916 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:56:14 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 Use Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40. I use it in all my BMW's. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Mark D [mailto:mdlkml@atari-source.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:34 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:24:06 -0400 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Mobil 1 0W-40 Hey guys, I firmly feel that castrol syntec 5W-50 is kiling my engine. I have a small tap/knock on startup before the oil light goes out which takes a little longer to go out now (maybe almost a full second). I'm near the end of the 5000 mile service life and have had only a minor decrease in oil consumption which was the original reason for this experiment. Mobil 1 is only available in 0W-40 locally and not in my preferred weight of 5W-40. What do you guys think of 0W-40 or should I switch back to Lubro-moly and stop messing around? I really feel that the 5W specification on that oil is a bunch of crap. It seems thicker cold than they state... It's certainly cheaper than TWS 10W-60 so probably crappier polymers. Thanks, Mark No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:57:57 -0500 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 Amsoil European Car Formula meets LL-04. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: david kroth [mailto:david_kroth@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:24 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Mobil 1 0W-40 A quick search of the Mobil 1 site indicates Mobil 1 0W-40 meets the BMW Longlife 01 specification. I don't find any other Mobil 1 weights that do. No mention on the site of the later BMW Longlife 04 specification. Mark wrote: > Mobil 1 is only available in 0W-40 locally and not > in my preferred > weight of 5W-40. What do you guys think of 0W-40 David Kroth david_kroth@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM
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#11. Re: Expected Oil Temps on Track? - from Kirk Lachman
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:58:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Kirk Lachman <admranger@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Expected Oil Temps on Track? P.S. I did have the pan baffled and oil pump pick up point optimized while he was in there doing the oil pump nut. Tell me more about this pick up point optimization tidbit. How was it optimized (heading to machine shop to have VAC oil pan baffle installed tomorrow)... BTW: I've seen oil temps as high as 290 deg F during summer races in my stock class car (i.e., a/c condensor still there) with a stock radiator. Adding the Zionsville radiator dropped oil temps approx 40 degrees, depending on outside temps. If you want to see scary temps, put a temp sensor on your transmission. It isn't pretty. I'd love to see numbers starting with a 2 instead of a 3 in the summer. =8^O Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter