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#1. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan On Wed, October 31, 2007 11:14 am, Karl Rentler wrote: > Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. Group: "Hi Karl" :-) > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > for everything... :) Please help. You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:50:06 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Please define "proper support". Representative examples for the mechanically challenged, but trying hard, appreciated. On 10/31/07, Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan > > On Wed, October 31, 2007 11:14 am, Karl Rentler wrote: > > Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. > > Group: "Hi Karl" :-) > > > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > > for everything... :) Please help. > > You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the > front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) > > Cheers, > Jim Bassett > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. RE: Holey oilpan - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:50:01 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Holey oilpan Support the engine from above and drop the subframe. -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:12:04 -0400 From: "Karl Rentler" <csws.69@gmail.com> Subject: Holey oilpan Well, I guess it's time to introduce myself. I've been lurking for a few months. i'll treat this like group therapy. Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. In this case its an 1995 Avus Blau M3. I've owned the car for a little over a yr. and have put some TLC into the car. The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick for everything... :) Please help. Thanks, Karl Rentler 95 M3 01 740i
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:58:44 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Can the motor be supported any other way besides using a cherry picker with hood removed? Didn't somebody post a link recently which showed an engine support that rested on the strut towers or fender gusset? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:44 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan On Wed, October 31, 2007 11:14 am, Karl Rentler wrote: > Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. Group: "Hi Karl" :-) > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > for everything... :) Please help. You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:02:01 -0400 From: shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice Since you're already taking it our (which isn't really that bad), take it to someone to do it right.? I think it cost?me $110 to get mine done and it was well worth it.? I haven't seen a DIY job that looked decent or didn't fall back down?soon after getting back installed.??There's always that line between satisfaction for trying and accomplishing something on your own versus the value of your time (and ultimate frustration or doing it twice).? Shel 1995 M3?with?new headliner 2005 330CI?? -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 2:14 pm Subject: [E36M3] Headliner Advice Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:11:22 -0400 From: Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: Headliner Advice Droopy headliner is bumming me out. So can I reuse the same material? It doesn't seem to be in bad shape, just coming off the foam backing. I searched the list and found some advice about where to get the headliner material, but not much about the adhesive to use. I thought 3M made one specifically for headliners? http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Manufacturing/Industry/Product-Catalog/Online-Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECFTDQGLE0_nid=769GMNXR2SbeSC2785KN7Pgl The good news is that I bought an entire sunroof mechanism from someone on the list so the headliner will be out already. Any advice for those that have DIY?Jonathan'95 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from Jay G
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:18:29 -1000 From: Jay G <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice wow...$110 is cheap...i paid $200 to have mine done- but the upholstery shop was the one to remove it... i thought about undertaking the task myself, when i asked a friend to help me out...he said he did it before in another car he had, and said the hassle wasnt worth it...he said if he could do it all over again- the $200 woulda been well spent... shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > > Since you're already taking it our (which isn't really that bad), take it to someone to do it right.? I think it cost?me $110 to get mine done and it was well worth it.? I haven't seen a DIY job that looked decent or didn't fall back down?soon after getting back installed.??There's always that line between satisfaction for trying and accomplishing something on your own versus the value of your time (and ultimate frustration or doing it twice).? > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from David Thomas
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:21:23 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice On Wednesday 31 October 2007 11:14:27 am Jonathan Evans wrote: > So can I reuse the same material? It doesn't seem to be in bad shape, just > coming off the foam backing. Nope...cant re-use it. Without the foam the adhesive will just soak through the cloth and it will make a big mess. > I thought 3M made one specifically for headliners? They do make an adhesive for headliners, but its actually better to use the one they sell for 'landau' tops as it can withstand much higher temps. I forget the 3M part number for it but you should be able to track it down. A few tips: Use a clean broom to sweep the old foam off the headliner shell, just flip it over and start sweeping, works very well. Also, when using the 3M adhesive its very important to put some on the shell, then on the headliner material, allow them to sit for a minute or two...then put them together. If you apply the material to the shell while the adhesive is too wet it wont stick well. The 3M cans have pretty detailed instructions on them...follow them and you will get good results. Dave
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan On Wed, October 31, 2007 12:04 pm, Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Can the motor be supported any other way besides using a cherry picker > with hood removed? Yes. > Didn't somebody post a link recently which showed an > engine support that rested on the strut towers or fender gusset? Yes. Jim Bassett
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#9. tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? - from gary.preece@insightbb.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:24:43 -0500 From: gary.preece@insightbb.com Subject: tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? My car has been shuddering and making a clacking noise when I brake or downshift. At first I thought it was something loose and banging against the fan, but I took the fan off and no change. I noticed that both of the front holes on the tranny mount looked cracked. Can anyone tell me if the forward holes on the tranny mount that bolts to the chasis are supposed to have slits in them? They look to be in similar spots on each side and I cannot tell if they are cracks or intentional slits. Car is up on jack stands and awaiting diagnosis! Thanks. Gary Louisville, KY 95 M3
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from David Thomas
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:26:40 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice On Wednesday 31 October 2007 12:14:16 pm shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > Since you're already taking it our (which isn't really that bad), take it > to someone to do it right.? I think it cost?me $110 to get mine done and it > was well worth it.? I haven't seen a DIY job that looked decent or didn't > fall back down?soon after getting back installed.??There's always that line > between satisfaction for trying and accomplishing something on your own > versus the value of your time (and ultimate frustration or doing it > twice).? That is not bad advice as long as you can get it done for about $100. Doing headliners is pretty easy stuff, and you can get professional results as long as you use quality adhesive, but its a bit of a p.i.t.a. the first few times you do one...its one of those jobs that you just need to do a few times before you can nail it. Dave
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#11. Re: Holey oilpan - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:17:38 -0400 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Holey oilpan on 10/31/07 2:44 PM, "Karl Rentler" <csws.69@gmail.com> wrote: > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > for everything... :) Please help. Yes - you have to undo the motor mounts and support the engine, then drop the front subframe enough to be able to finagle the oil pan out. Unless your 95 has unusually low mileage or they've already been replaced you'll likely want to install new motor mounts while you're there. Also check for structural integrity (or lack thereof...) where the mounts bolt to the subframe. And while the oil pan is off, check that your oil pump nut is tight (Note: left hand thread). It can be secured with high temp Loctite, peening the shaft threads slightly with a punch, or by using a safety-wire drilled nut (Bimmerworld, $15). Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD