E36M3 #5482

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 16:25:01

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from David Thomas
#2. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Doug Wirth
#3. Tranny Mount Slits - from RFKoby@aol.com
#4. OT: BMW of Seattle vs BMW Bellevue - from David Michael
#5. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Jeff Conner
#6. Re: [E36M3] Stripped Bolt - from Kent L. Shephard
#7. RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Paul Andrews
#8. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Gus Iverson
#9. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from Bill Sharp
#10. Re: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood - from Gus Iverson
#11. Re: [E36M3] tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? - from Chester Wong

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from David Thomas
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:37:36 -0700 From: David Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice On Wednesday 31 October 2007 12:24:18 pm Jay G wrote: > wow...$110 is cheap...i paid $200 to have mine done- but the upholstery > shop was the one to remove it... The R&R is the tough part. Someone who works with upholstery all day could do a E36 headliner in a matter of minutes...its a pretty small headliner especially in the coupe. Dave

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Doug Wirth
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Wirth <doug_wirth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan You can get a engine support from Harbor Freight or Northern for about $75. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:04:18 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:58:44 -0500 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Can the motor be supported any other way besides using a cherry picker with hood removed? Didn't somebody post a link recently which showed an engine support that rested on the strut towers or fender gusset? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:44 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan On Wed, October 31, 2007 11:14 am, Karl Rentler wrote: > Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. Group: "Hi Karl" :-) > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > for everything... :) Please help. You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. Tranny Mount Slits - from RFKoby@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:03:05 EDT From: RFKoby@aol.com Subject: Tranny Mount Slits When I bought my 95 M3 in 10/94, the first track tech inspection found this. Lucky the tech session was at a BMW dealer and they checked into this. After lots of searching...... They found out that the cracks or slits are INTENTIONAL. This is so the transmission brace will fail and drop the transmission in a frontal crash / impact. bob Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:24:43 -0500 From: gary.preece@insightbb.com Subject: tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? My car has been shuddering and making a clacking noise when I brake or downshift. At first I thought it was something loose and banging against the fan, but I took the fan off and no change. I noticed that both of the front holes on the tranny mount looked cracked. Can anyone tell me if the forward holes on the tranny mount that bolts to the chasis are supposed to have slits in them? They look to be in similar spots on each side and I cannot tell if they are cracks or intentional slits. Car is up on jack stands and awaiting diagnosis! Thanks. Gary Louisville, KY 95 M3 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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#4. OT: BMW of Seattle vs BMW Bellevue - from David Michael
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:04:35 -0400 From: "David Michael" <adavidmichael@gmail.com> Subject: OT: BMW of Seattle vs BMW Bellevue Hi Folks This is slightly OT, but do folks out in Western WA have any opinions on the Seattle vs Bellevue dealerships? My sister is planning to order a 328xi Coupe (Premium, sport, cold, 6-speed), and is halfway between the two. I am helping with the negotiations with the dealer, but since I am in Boston ( a good place to be these days ;-) ), I don't know what the dealer reputations are. Mandatory e36 M3 content - it's almost as powerful as an e36m3, and only a fee hundred pounds heavier! Any advice would be great Thanks Dave m3/4 98,000 MCS 30,000 200QA 220,000

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan I know BMW has a tool that fits nicely in the chassis and holds the engine up when you need to support it from the top. I don't recall seeing the link, but I found something that looks about right... http://www.thepartsbin.com/cartools/addition.php?ref=BAM-3147∂=p-BAM-10-222A Perhaps another item Mr Duckworth would consider adding to his rental stable? :-) -jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Can the motor be supported any other way besides using a cherry picker with hood removed? Didn't somebody post a link recently which showed an engine support that rested on the strut towers or fender gusset? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] On Wed, October 31, 2007 11:14 am, Karl Rentler wrote: > Hello my name is Karl and I have an addiction. Group: "Hi Karl" :-) > The other day the Significant Other found something on the road tall > enough and hard enough to put a hole in the oil pan. As a former E30 > owner, I know you could get the oil pan and pump out of the car > without removing the engine. Is there a similar trick for the E36 M3? > Or does the engine just have to come out? I know racers have a trick > for everything... :) Please help. You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Stripped Bolt - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:54:56 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stripped Bolt Huh? Don't you mean the other way around?? On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > > > 6pts are the tools of the devil, 12 pts only! > > Patrick >

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Paul Andrews
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:07:52 -0400 From: "Paul Andrews" <emosound@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Holey oilpan http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200309403 _200309403 -Paul -----Original Message----- From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:54 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:50:06 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Please define "proper support". Representative examples for the mechanically challenged, but trying hard, appreciated. > > You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the > front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) > > Cheers, > Jim Bassett

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:10:21 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan Ok - I get it. Next question - what part of the engine does one attach it to? Engine and transmission mounts this winter... On 10/31/07, Paul Andrews <emosound@verizon.net> wrote: > > http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200309403 > _200309403 > > > -Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:54 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan > > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:50:06 -0700 > From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Holey oilpan > > Please define "proper support". Representative examples for the > mechanically challenged, but trying hard, appreciated. > > > > > You don't need to remove the engine, but you may need to drop/remove the > > front subframe. Properly supporting the engine from above, of course :-) > > > > Cheers, > > Jim Bassett > > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice - from Bill Sharp
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:12:42 -0500 From: Bill Sharp <e36@cueframe.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice Just so I'm clear: I checked at the dealer and they want close to $900 for a new one for our old 7. And, that doesn't include labor! Are you saying I can perhaps find an upholstery shop and they'll remove, glue and reinstall it for somewhere South of say, $400? Thanks, Bill '99 M3 On Oct 31, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Jay G wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:18:29 -1000 > From: Jay G <jguzman@hawaii.edu> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headliner Advice > > wow...$110 is cheap...i paid $200 to have mine done- but the > upholstery shop was the one to remove it... > > i thought about undertaking the task myself, when i asked a friend > to help me out...he said he did it before in another car he had, > and said the hassle wasnt worth it...he said if he could do it all > over again- the $200 woulda been well spent... > > shelhart2@aol.com wrote: > >> Since you're already taking it our (which isn't really that bad), >> take it to someone to do it right.? I think it cost?me $110 to get >> mine done and it was well worth it.? I haven't seen a DIY job that >> looked decent or didn't fall back down?soon after getting back >> installed.??There's always that line between satisfaction for >> trying and accomplishing something on your own versus the value of >> your time (and ultimate frustration or doing it twice).? >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:15:58 -0700 From: "Gus Iverson" <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood What's the downside to removing the hood insulation? Why is it there in the first place? Keeping you from being able to fry an egg on the hood? Any reason it is necessary in a street car? No, I'm not stripping my commuter - yet. I also have to be able to drive it to faraway tracks. (See y'all in NorCal next year, we're missing Nov Infineon) On 10/31/07, Goss, Patrick - PA <Patrick.Goss@gmacm.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:46:21 -0500 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Carbon Fiber Hood > > Removing the hood insulation is free, euro floater rotors are lighter > and not much more than us stock replacements which is a 2-fer since > unsprung weight. Stainless headers vs the heavy stock cast ones. AC > compressor if dedicated car...Im not sure if the aluminum radiators are > lighter than oem, perhaps another 2-fer if so (durability). Fan delete, > Fog light delete are almost free. Total this stuff might be 100 lbs off > the front.

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#11. Re: [E36M3] tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] tranny mount crack or intentional slit?? AFAIK, no...they should just be holes for the bolts to go through. Chester --- gary.preece@insightbb.com wrote: > My car has been shuddering and making a clacking noise when I brake or > downshift. At first I thought it was something loose and banging against the > fan, but I took the fan off and no change. I noticed that both of the front > holes on the tranny mount looked cracked. Can anyone tell me if the forward > holes on the tranny mount that bolts to the chasis are supposed to have slits > in them? They look to be in similar spots on each side and I cannot tell if > they are cracks or intentional slits. Car is up on jack stands and awaiting > diagnosis!

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