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#1. WTB: BBS RCJ Wheels - from Evan Brown
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:07:45 -0500 From: "Evan Brown" <shiftye23@comcast.net> Subject: WTB: BBS RCJ Wheels Want to buy ASAP stagggered 18x8 18x9 BBS RCJ wheels with or without tires. Evan
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Race seats - from Dave Hogg
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:54 -0500 From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats The problem you'll have is finding a large-sized seat that you can actually fit in an E30 or E36 in stock configuration. It's a tight fit laterally. HMS sold me a large-sized FIA Recaro that just barely fit with the VAC mounts and is really comfortable (I'm only 6'-2.5") and the belts fit right. It wasn't cheap, but not as expensive as some and for driving to and from the track, it's da bomb. Dave Hogg
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Race seats - from Matt Bader
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:20:41 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Race seats I am looking for lighter weight seats so I can remove the Vaders, and I will be using car for DE and other track events (as well as street) where speeds of 130 mph+ are certainly feasible. So, after watching that video of the guy hitting the wall, it would seem that scrimping on seats is no bargain. While I am browsing for Sparco, Corseau's or Recaro's, is there a way for me to determine the relative safety of these seats? Is there some standard by which they are judged? Is the difference between a $400 seat and $900 seat (of the same manufacturer), one of safety or mainly weight and comfort? If anyone has a specific seat recommendation in the $300-$400 range per seat, small to medium size light weight seat, I would appreciate it. Since at DE you have an instructor in the car, my original idea of scrimping on the passenger seat is probably not a good one. Tia, Matt Bader 98 M3/4 Middletown -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hogg [mailto:dhogg1@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:54 -0500 From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats The problem you'll have is finding a large-sized seat that you can actually fit in an E30 or E36 in stock configuration. It's a tight fit laterally. HMS sold me a large-sized FIA Recaro that just barely fit with the VAC mounts and is really comfortable (I'm only 6'-2.5") and the belts fit right. It wasn't cheap, but not as expensive as some and for driving to and from the track, it's da bomb. Dave Hogg ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. re seats - from Vince Leo
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: re seats Mark, Sometimes you have to shut up, let it go and let Darwin take over. Vince On Nov 15, 2007, at 10:13 PM, Walter J wrote: > Look... I suppose I started the pissing match here. I didn't intend > to. Let me try again. If you have $1k to burn on a seat go ahead... > its a better seat. BUT... there are thousands of World of Outlaws, > sprint cars, stock cars and various other contraptions going a lot > faster, hitting a lot harder that a 325 in a head on can muster _and_ > using aluminum seats... which is why I said that he should use the > Kirkey PRO RACE SEAT not the BIG BOY in that picture if he was > thinking $200 was a limit. They use those seats because they DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. That's why NASCAR no longer uses them. Get it? They LEARNED. > "Do you want to lecture me again about the "big hits" and your deep, > deep knowledge of safety?" > > Please there drama queen - nobody was lecturing you. I'm done here. You either get it, or you don't. I'll put you down as "don't." - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Race seats - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:38:57 -0500 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats Yes, the common one for composite seats is the FIA certification...I think it's 8899 or something like that. I'd imagine if you called Joe at HMS he would be happy to discuss this in great detail. Additionally, he could probably point you to some good websites, official website, where this would all be explained. Sorry, I'd not looked up the sites specifically, otherwise I'd point you to them. Anyone selling any seat should be able to tell you what certification, if any, the seat has. If they don't know and can't figure it out, shop elsewhere. As for seat recommendations, I'm a huge Recaro fan. I've in the past used MOMO and Sparco and loved them both as well. I hear good things about many of the others and I'd imagine people will chime in with various opinions and experiences so you should be able to get plenty of info. Oh, I am 6', 190#, 33" waist, 32" inseam...pretty average I guess. I have used the MOMO Acropolis, 1000 Lakes, Sparco PRO2000, EVO, Touring, and Recaro SPG, SPG XL, SPG HANS. The PRO2000 and SPG XL are a bit too big for my preferences but they are not huge, just not as tight as I prefer. The Sparco Touring was my favorite until the SPG HANS which is what I'm going to use next year. Cheers. Jack Money '88 M3 Racecar '99 323i DD '98 740i Cruiser On Nov 16, 2007 6:24 AM, Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:20:41 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Race seats > > I am looking for lighter weight seats so I can remove the Vaders, and I > will > be using car for DE and other track events (as well as street) where > speeds > of 130 mph+ are certainly feasible. So, after watching that video of the > guy hitting the wall, it would seem that scrimping on seats is no bargain. > > While I am browsing for Sparco, Corseau's or Recaro's, is there a way for > me > to determine the relative safety of these seats? Is there some standard > by > which they are judged? Is the difference between a $400 seat and $900 > seat > (of the same manufacturer), one of safety or mainly weight and comfort? > > If anyone has a specific seat recommendation in the $300-$400 range per > seat, small to medium size light weight seat, I would appreciate it. > Since > at DE you have an instructor in the car, my original idea of scrimping on > the passenger seat is probably not a good one. > > Tia, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > Middletown > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Hogg [mailto:dhogg1@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:25 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:54 -0500 > From: "Dave Hogg" <dhogg1@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats > > The problem you'll have is finding a large-sized seat that you can > actually > fit in an E30 or E36 in stock configuration. It's a tight fit laterally. > > > > HMS sold me a large-sized FIA Recaro that just barely fit with the VAC > mounts and is really comfortable (I'm only 6'-2.5") and the belts fit > right. > It wasn't cheap, but not as expensive as some and for driving to and from > the track, it's da bomb. > > > > Dave Hogg > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: Race seats - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:14 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Race seats on 11/16/07 1:34 AM, "Walter J" <walter.gator@gmail.com> wrote: > BTW, wasn't knocking the composites... have a Sparco in my car but to > say that the top aluminum seats made today are a death-trap is silly. The problem is that the Big Boy seat originally referenced doesn't even slightly resemble the "top aluminum seats made today." Instead it's a prime example of the old style aluminum seats which were indeed, compared to modern designs, death traps. To see detailed pictures of current aluminum seat technology as more recently used by NASCAR, go to the link below and click on the first picture at top right for expanded views: <http://www.thejoieofseating.com/full-custom_race-seat.html> Note how the aluminum shell, and especially the sidewings, are externally reinforced. However a fabricated aluminum seat like this has got to be hugely expensive to build, and is always going to be heavier than using advanced composite construction. It's only viable in a lead sled series like NASCAR where weight isn't an issue. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:17:50 -0800 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers If you are looking for a seat for a BIG & TALL driver that will fit in an E36, I was pointed to the Racetech RT 4009 WTHR http://www.racetechseatsna.com/race_seats/RT9009.html This will allow someone up to 6'6" to have proper belt positioning. It does require a seat back mount. I believe James Clay at Bimmerworld uses it but am not 100% certain... Dave DeBuhr 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hogg [mailto:dhogg1@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats HMS sold me a large-sized FIA Recaro that just barely fit with the VAC mounts and is really comfortable (I'm only 6'-2.5") and the belts fit right. It wasn't cheap, but not as expensive as some and for driving to and from the track, it's da bomb. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:26:16 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: > If you are looking for a seat for a BIG & TALL driver that will fit > in an > E36, I was pointed to the Racetech RT 4009 WTHR > http://www.racetechseatsna.com/race_seats/RT9009.html > > This will allow someone up to 6'6" to have proper belt positioning. > It does > require a seat back mount. I believe James Clay at Bimmerworld uses > it but > am not 100% certain... This is regarded as one of the safest seats around due to the heavy shoulder bolstering, which keeps you in the seat in a side impact. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing homepage at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers - from Benjamin Hirsch
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:52:41 -0800 From: "Benjamin Hirsch" <benjamin.hirsch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers I'm only 6'2", but I'm a lot of torso, and this is the only seat that ended up working for me. -Ben On Nov 16, 2007 9:34 AM, Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:26:16 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats - for BIG/TALL drivers > > On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: > > If you are looking for a seat for a BIG & TALL driver that will fit > > in an > > E36, I was pointed to the Racetech RT 4009 WTHR > > http://www.racetechseatsna.com/race_seats/RT9009.html > > > > This will allow someone up to 6'6" to have proper belt positioning. > > It does > > require a seat back mount. I believe James Clay at Bimmerworld uses > > it but > > am not 100% certain... > > > This is regarded as one of the safest seats around due to the heavy > shoulder bolstering, which keeps you in the seat in a side impact. > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net > > Check out my JustRacing homepage at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- Thanks, Ben
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Race seats - from Mark D
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:57:34 -0500 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Race seats This conversation is very interesting to me. For one, I never had any idea that the typical racing seat was expected to provide any safety features other than holes for the 5 point harness. This list is invaluable. There's a similar debate amongst motorcycle helmets of which I've done a lot of research. The theory is that DOT helmets are safer than SNELL helmets. The rationale is that in light impacts they provide better cushioning and prevent injury. The catch 22 is that the SNELLS fare much better in more serious impacts. Which would you prefer? I for one would rather have a wicked headache after a small accident due to my rigid helmet then be dead after a more serious one due to my inadequate helmet. The video was very interesting to me as an aggressive street driver with regular old vaders with positively no side support. Seems like every day I see something that makes me drop my street cruising speed 1mph, and further increases the expense of my future track car :-P I often wondered if it made sense to go with 5 point harnesses in my street cars. Thanks, Mark