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#1. Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal - from Bill and Jan Klemme
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:14 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal That sounds way too easy based on my experience yesterday. I am beginning to wonder if my steering wheel is a different design than .... I don't know, earlier models? Mine is a 1999 and some publications I've seen don't recognize the '99 as an E36 since apparently the E46 came out that year. My Bentley manual for example for the 3-series says "....Sedan, Coupe and Convertible 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998" but has a copyright date of 1999. Could it be that mine has a newer model steering wheel? It is definitely too fat on the inside to allow that cluster to come out....and it's not _evenly_ fat in back...some spots are fatter than others so it has to be rotated. There is no way I would be able to reach in behind the cluster to unplug the connectors either. I am not a mechanical dummy but I AM getting old....maybe I'm missing something. Best regards, Bill K 99 M3 convertible (80% snowmobile, 20% beach cruiser) 92 M5 (garage queen) 93 Volvo wagon (parts mover) You are lucky that you couldn't get the cluster unhooked as I've been told by my mechanic that you must make sure the key is off, otherwise there is adverse affects. I think this is what causes the indicator light to come on that the cluster has been tampered with. I have a 95 M3 and have removed my cluster several times -remove the top screws, slide a screw driver on top in order to tilt the whole thing down a bit, then unhook the three connections, and slide it out to the inside of the vehicle. Typically takes about five minutes. Dave A 95 M3 Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:08 -0500 > From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > Arggh! I tried for 1/2 hour, every which way but could not get it > out. (I may have quit too early because of the "ding ding ding" in my > ear....the key has to be on to turn the wheel...couldn't take it any > more. OK, patience is not my strong suit.) BUT, I got the cluster > sideways far enough to reach up there and caaaarefully put 2 bulbs in > with a 1/4" socket wrench! > Next time I will just take off the stupid wheel..... > Thanks again for the replies. > Bill K > > Kent L. Shephard wrote: >> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:06:29 -0800 >> From: "Kent L. Shephard" <e36m3@kshephard.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal >> >> Jim is correct. >> BTDT with only removing the screws for the cluster. >> >> Kent >> On Nov 20, 2007, at 11:14 PM, Jim Bassett wrote: >> >>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:10:39 -0800 (PST) >>> From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> >>> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal >>> >>> On Tue, November 20, 2007 8:44 pm, Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: >>>> Anyone have any tips on how to get my instrument cluster out ('99 M3)? >>>> I read the online DIY which said it could be twiggled out without >>>> removing the steering wheel, but gol-dang if I can do that. Has >>>> anyone >>>> been able to? >>> >>> Yep, multiple times. Take it out to the right, toward the center of the >>> car. It's a VERY tight fit, requires a bit of wiggling (swearing >>> optional >>> :-)), and don't be afraid to compress the dash a bit if necessary. >>> There's >>> only one way to tilt/tip the cluster to get it in and out, just >>> gotta find >>> the "sweet spot". >>> >>> Good luck, >>> Jim Bassett >>> 1998 M3/4 >>> 1993 325is #44 JP >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. Feeler - Anyone looking for a project car? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:07 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Feeler - Anyone looking for a project car? I am sort of contemplating selling my 95 M3. I had originally planned on converting it into a NASA GTS car and running it there next year so of course I tore the interior out of it and sold/gave away some of the parts. I recently became very busy and am just not going to have any time to finish the interior and get it to the cage builder. I am also thinking that for almost the same amount of money it would take me to finish this car off, I could buy a ready to race Spec Miata and have just as much fun racing with those knuckleheads. So, is anyone looking for a 95 M3, mostly stripped with full monoball suspension, Koni SA, Zionsville Al radiator + fan, new transmission, LTWT flywheel, SSK, and a ton of other upgrades (dyno 227 to the wheels). The car is mechanically perfect and doesn't leak oil or fluid from anywhere. 104289291-M.jpg The car is located 50 miles West of Chicago and I can transport it as part of the right deal. Let me know off list if anyone is interested, I may still change my mind but this is where I am at today. Regards Jamie Howton 2006 M Roadster 2004 645Ci 1995 M3
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#3. Re: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding - from Jon Siccardi - Treehouse
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:50 -0600 From: "Jon Siccardi - Treehouse" <jon@treehouseracing.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding Tim, The trick to changing the starter is to unbolt it. Use tools to loosen the bolts. Then changing it becomes significantly easier. Glad I could help! Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #053 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim racer" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:33:03 -0500 > From: tim racer <s14realm3@hotmail.com> > Subject: 97 starter grinding > > > friends 97 m3 5 spd has a starter that grinds but it doesn't turn the > flywheel. Its intermittent, but its getting worst. shop book rate said 5 > hours to change the starter, whats the trick on changing the starter?Tim > Ng BMWCCA # 3649795 BUZZNM3 dakar yella94 325i future track car92 325ic > M-Technic pkg91 M3 garage queen88 M3/2.5 DM race > car------------------project90 535ia------------------Pace shadow 26 ft > enclosed trailermy web page:http://groups..msn.com/M3stuff/pictures > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal - from Marty
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:41 -0500 From: Marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal My experience is more like yours and mine is a '96 with the old four spoke wheel. I wrangled and twisted for some time and did not get the cluster past the wheel. I couldn't seem to get the correct combination of angles plus I might have grown impatient and damaged something. I probably wouldn't be able to get at the connectors anyway I thought. I don't think I was as patient as you - I may have tried for 15 minutes and figured it'd be quicker and easier, for me, to remove the steering wheel. I waited until I replaced the steering wheel when it was easy to remove the cluster and get to the connectors. marty '96 M3 - OMP 350mm steering wheel, cluster comes out easily now On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:54 AM, Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:14 -0500 > From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > That sounds way too easy based on my experience yesterday. I am > beginning to wonder if my steering wheel is a different design > than .... I don't know, earlier models? Mine is a 1999 and some > publications I've seen don't recognize the '99 as an E36 since > apparently the E46 came out that year. My Bentley manual for > example for the 3-series says "....Sedan, Coupe and Convertible > 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998" but has a copyright date > of 1999. > > Could it be that mine has a newer model steering wheel? It is > definitely too fat on the inside to allow that cluster to come > out....and it's not _evenly_ fat in back...some spots are fatter > than others so it has to be rotated. There is no way I would be able > to reach in behind the cluster to unplug the connectors either. I am > not a mechanical dummy but I AM getting old....maybe I'm missing > something. >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal - from Goss, Patrick - PA
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:26:41 -0600 From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal Ignition unlocked, turning the wheel as you slide the cluster out helps. A t-shirt with some cereal box cardboard guards a safe passage and prevents scratches while facilitating the slip. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Marty [mailto:mfraiser@embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:05 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:41 -0500 From: Marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal My experience is more like yours and mine is a '96 with the old four spoke wheel. I wrangled and twisted for some time and did not get the cluster past the wheel. I couldn't seem to get the correct combination of angles plus I might have grown impatient and damaged something. I probably wouldn't be able to get at the connectors anyway I thought. I don't think I was as patient as you - I may have tried for 15 minutes and figured it'd be quicker and easier, for me, to remove the steering wheel. I waited until I replaced the steering wheel when it was easy to remove the cluster and get to the connectors. marty '96 M3 - OMP 350mm steering wheel, cluster comes out easily now On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:54 AM, Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:14 -0500 > From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > That sounds way too easy based on my experience yesterday. I am > beginning to wonder if my steering wheel is a different design > than .... I don't know, earlier models? Mine is a 1999 and some > publications I've seen don't recognize the '99 as an E36 since > apparently the E46 came out that year. My Bentley manual for > example for the 3-series says "....Sedan, Coupe and Convertible > 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998" but has a copyright date > of 1999. > > Could it be that mine has a newer model steering wheel? It is > definitely too fat on the inside to allow that cluster to come > out....and it's not _evenly_ fat in back...some spots are fatter > than others so it has to be rotated. There is no way I would be able > to reach in behind the cluster to unplug the connectors either. I am > not a mechanical dummy but I AM getting old....maybe I'm missing > something. > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Suspension opinions on 1995 M3? - from j. helffrich
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: "j. helffrich" <girolamous@yahoo.com> Subject: Suspension opinions on 1995 M3? Hi All, Thought I posted this question before but it never appeared in the digest. I bought a 1995 M3 with 170,000 miles on the clock. I am going to get all bushings replaced and the RSM's upgraded with Rogue Engineering ones before taking it out to 5-6 autoX events and 1-2 HPDE events per year. I'd like to get opinions on pro's and con's of Vogtland club sport vs. Koni Sport coilover #1150-5023 vs. H&R coilover sold by Turner. I think all of these have progressive springs, but I assume I could swap those out if I don't like them. Thanks, Jerry ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Feeler - Anyone looking for a project car? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:03:48 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Feeler - Anyone looking for a project car? I forgot to post the pics in my last email: http://jhowton.smugmug.com/photos/104289291-M.jpg http://jhowton.smugmug.com/photos/170072402-M.jpg http://jhowton.smugmug.com/photos/170070863-M.jpg Regards Jamie
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#8. Flanged RTABs - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:36:04 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Flanged RTABs Original RTABs can be had at places like Turner http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/suspension/suspension_rcab_lg.jpg Also Bill over on Bimmerformums.com can supply Bimmer Clinic LLC 704 Trumbull Street Elizabeth, NJ 07202 Bill@bimmerclinic.com (732)218-7632
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal - from Bill and Jan Klemme
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:02:05 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal I would LOVE to have you demonstrate for me! I stare at it, frown and scratch my head. Somebody's gotta show me.... Dave, my wheel is the 3-spoke one. Also, I notice that THIS email came addressed to me, with a cc to E36M3. The earlier one from "Dave" looks like it came only to me, so that if I had replied to him (instead of this one) it seems like the rest of the group would not get it. Can someone verify if that's true? Did the rest of the group receive email on this topic from Dave at about 10:10 today? The addresses did not look like it. If so, then it could be that the same thing is happening to other mail in this forum as well. Regards, Bill K Goss, Patrick - PA wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:26:41 -0600 > From: "Goss, Patrick - PA" <Patrick.Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > Ignition unlocked, turning the wheel as you slide the cluster out helps. > A t-shirt with some cereal box cardboard guards a safe passage and > prevents scratches while facilitating the slip. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marty [mailto:mfraiser@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:05 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:41 -0500 > From: Marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal > > My experience is more like yours and mine is a '96 with the old four > spoke wheel. I wrangled and twisted for some time and did not get the > cluster past the wheel. I couldn't seem to get the correct > combination of angles plus I might have grown impatient and damaged > something. I probably wouldn't be able to get at the connectors > anyway I thought. > > I don't think I was as patient as you - I may have tried for 15 > minutes and figured it'd be quicker and easier, for me, to remove the > steering wheel. I waited until I replaced the steering wheel when it > was easy to remove the cluster and get to the connectors. > > marty > '96 M3 - OMP 350mm steering wheel, cluster comes out easily now > > On Nov 29, 2007, at 6:54 AM, Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:14 -0500 >> From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Instrument cluster removal >> >> That sounds way too easy based on my experience yesterday. I am >> beginning to wonder if my steering wheel is a different design >> than .... I don't know, earlier models? Mine is a 1999 and some >> publications I've seen don't recognize the '99 as an E36 since >> apparently the E46 came out that year. My Bentley manual for >> example for the 3-series says "....Sedan, Coupe and Convertible >> 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998" but has a copyright date >> of 1999. >> >> Could it be that mine has a newer model steering wheel? It is >> definitely too fat on the inside to allow that cluster to come >> out....and it's not _evenly_ fat in back...some spots are fatter >> than others so it has to be rotated. There is no way I would be able >> to reach in behind the cluster to unplug the connectors either. I am >> not a mechanical dummy but I AM getting old....maybe I'm missing >> something. >> >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding - from Bill and Jan Klemme
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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:05:22 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding Huh? Tools? Where were you when I needed help on my instrument cluster? (wink) Bill K Jon Siccardi - Treehouse wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:54:50 -0600 > From: "Jon Siccardi - Treehouse" <jon@treehouseracing.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding > > Tim, > > The trick to changing the starter is to unbolt it. Use tools to loosen > the bolts. Then changing it becomes significantly easier. > > Glad I could help! > > Jon > > ______________________________________________ > > Jon Siccardi - DM #053 > TreehouseRacing.com > M50conversion.com > 615.333.9118 > ______________________________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim racer" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:34 AM > Subject: [E36M3] 97 starter grinding > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:33:03 -0500 >> From: tim racer <s14realm3@hotmail.com> >> Subject: 97 starter grinding >> >> >> friends 97 m3 5 spd has a starter that grinds but it doesn't turn the >> flywheel. Its intermittent, but its getting worst. shop book rate >> said 5 hours to change the starter, whats the trick on changing the >> starter?Tim Ng BMWCCA # 3649795 BUZZNM3 dakar yella94 325i future >> track car92 325ic M-Technic pkg91 M3 garage queen88 M3/2.5 DM race >> car------------------project90 535ia------------------Pace shadow 26 >> ft enclosed trailermy web page:http://groups..msn.com/M3stuff/pictures >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >