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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Euro intake ITG filter - from Steve Walsh
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:19:06 -0800 From: Steve Walsh <stevewalsh@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Euro intake ITG filter Dave, no offence taken. And I'm with you regarding the overzealous trumpeting from the Amsoil faithful. I didn't come to the Amasoil Ea filter without research. I have been involved with a GrandAm team for the past year, and had done a couple of events prior to that with another, no defunct, DP team. Having looked around at what teams were using there, I went looking for micro (or nano-) fiber based filters. I found a few, but the other brands either did not offer an application that fit, or were significantly more expensive. To each there own. What really made my decision for me was when I found foam particles on my HFM. I emailed Josh at EuroSport. Twice. Then called and after 3 weeks having heard nothing, I drove to the Amsoil store and paid less, for a more modern product. And if I don't like it I can *still* get another ITG. At 07:31 AM 12/29/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:52:54 -0800 >From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Euro intake ITG filter > >On Friday 28 December 2007 7:01:49 pm steve crowl wrote: > > A google search did not yield any test comparisons between the ITG and > > Amsoil. Where can I find some? > >I would be interested to see some good 3rd party comparisons as well. I was >not able to find out much info about the filters from anyone but the >manufacturer, and call me crazy, but I really don't want to just take their >word for it. > >Not to offend, and this is not at all aimed at you Mr. Walsh, but all of the >Amsoil fanboys have left such a bad taste in my mouth over the years with the >way they carry on that I don't really want to give any money to Amsoil. They >are like the Ron Paul of automotive products...
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#2. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Marco Romani
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:47:03 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com I do believe the requirement for low sulfur diesel did increase the manuf costs. I think the old formula was relatively easy to produce. In the past refiners could probably use the cheaper heavy crudes with less sulfur content but now probably have to use the sweeter crudes that cost more. IIRC Diesel and gasoline prices in the EU were nearly at the same price in the past. But I doubt all of the US price rise is due to needing low sulfur diesel. Maybe a PE can address the issue beside pure greed by the oil companies. http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining2.htm It does crack me up (no pun intended) when Chavez says he's going cut the US off from Venezuelan oil. Go right ahead - we're one of the few countries that can refine the heavy crude they produce. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Bill and Jan Klemme [mailto:wklemme@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:24:43 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com > > > > You think as diesels become more common the price of diesel fuel will > go down? > > > > Interesting question, if slightly off-topic. What exactly DOES control the price of diesel fuel? Not the oil company execs do you suppose, for reasons almost totally divorced from cost of buying/making it? I have suspected that high diesel prices are just another way of quietly fattening profits by hitting the truckers, who don't complain as much as gasoline consumers might, and simply pass the cost on to the consumers of whatever the trucks are carrying. Thus we all pay for the fuel costs at the grocery store and WalMart cash registers. There is simply no logical reason for diesel prices to go in ten years (or less) from 30 cents/gallon less than gasoline to 30 cents higher. It has always been cheaper to produce than gasoline....what changed? I bought a new Volvo diesel back when, and it was cheap to run but man was it SLOW! I'd love to own one of the new BMW turbo diesels now if I could afford it. I suspect the engine would last longer than a similar gasoline model and require less maintenance in the long run as well. (Although a turbo could make it a little more prone to higher maintenance than a non-turbo, but I don't know that.) Regards, Bill K ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM
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#3. RE: More on upgrades - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:24:42 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: More on upgrades www.sharked.com '95 E36 M3 Euro HFM Starter Kit (includes adapter, HFM, and software) $996 '95 E36 M3 Euro HFM Complete Kit (includes adapter, HFM, Softw, & 24# Injectors) $1218 If I remember correctly, JimC 'cracked' the OBDII code back in 1999. Upgrades have been plentiful since then, if slow in coming since then. KLBurgess 99M3/2 _______________________________________ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:36:46 +0000 From: kwill69058@comcast.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] More on upgrades <snip> Also, I have seen the Conforti kit go for as much as 1,200.00 on the web.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades - from ProBikeGuy
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:57:19 -0600 From: "ProBikeGuy" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades You can do it for MUCH less...I bought a used 540afm and ford motorsport injectors, and built my own CAI. I think I spent maybe 500 bucks... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:24:42 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: More on upgrades www.sharked.com '95 E36 M3 Euro HFM Starter Kit (includes adapter, HFM, and software) $996 '95 E36 M3 Euro HFM Complete Kit (includes adapter, HFM, Softw, & 24# Injectors) $1218 If I remember correctly, JimC 'cracked' the OBDII code back in 1999. Upgrades have been plentiful since then, if slow in coming since then. KLBurgess 99M3/2 _______________________________________ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:36:46 +0000 From: kwill69058@comcast.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] More on upgrades <snip> Also, I have seen the Conforti kit go for as much as 1,200.00 on the web. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:08:14 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades On Saturday 29 December 2007 4:01:48 pm ProBikeGuy wrote: > You can do it for MUCH less...I bought a used 540afm and ford motorsport > injectors, and built my own CAI. I think I spent maybe 500 bucks... What are you using for DME software? One of the nice things about the $1200 kit is it can be had with CA specific software that deals with our crappy gas pretty well... Dave
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - from Mark D
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:09:16 -0500 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter I think you'll find that nobody in the group gets better gas mileage than you :) So I'd say the aftermarket filters harm gas mileage and improve completeness of accelerator pedal to floor depression. Thanks, Mark Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:03:40 -0500 > From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter > > OK guys, I'm still a newbie on M3 mods. How much good do these > aftermarket filters do? Can anyone tell me they experienced a > noticeable difference in performance or gas mileage? > Thanks, > Bill K > 99 M3 convertible, automatic, bone stock, hiway mileage 27-30, > allround 23-25. > > Steve Walsh wrote: >> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:37:18 -0800 >> From: Steve Walsh <stevewalsh@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter >> >> Brian, as much as I liked the ITG, dump it. >> Come join me in the 21st century, and buy an Amsoil microfiber one. >> I'm not an advocate for Amsoil, but I love the filter. >> On my 325is I used an EaAU-3050. On an M3 you would use an EaAU-3560. >> Mine cost about $48. >> >> At 11:31 AM 12/28/2007, you wrote: >>> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:45:18 -0800 >>> From: "Brian Ruiz" <eurowerke@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Euro intake ITG filter >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I finally got around to pulling off my filter today to wash it for the >>> second time in a bit less than 30k miles. As I washed it, I noticed >>> that >>> the filter media was starting to disintegrate. Is this okay? Is my >>> cleaning frequency too... infrequent? I probably should have done >>> it 5k >>> miles or so earlier, but is that really all that much time? I don't >>> think >>> the filter should be disintegrating this quickly, but maybe I'm >>> wrong. I >>> read something about some of the filters having lifetime warranties >>> - with >>> my luck, it probably doesn't apply to this model! >>> >>> Thanks for any input. >>> >>> Brian
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Mark D
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:13:38 -0500 From: Mark D <mdlkml@atari-source.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:24:43 -0500 > From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com > > >> >> >> >> You think as diesels become more common the price of diesel fuel will go >> down? >> >> >> >> > Interesting question, if slightly off-topic. What exactly DOES > control the price of diesel fuel? Not the oil company execs do you > suppose, for reasons almost totally divorced from cost of > buying/making it? I have suspected that high diesel prices are just > another way of quietly fattening profits by hitting the truckers, who > don't complain as much as gasoline consumers might, and simply pass > the cost on to the consumers of whatever the trucks are carrying. > Thus we all pay for the fuel costs at the grocery store and WalMart > cash registers. There is simply no logical reason for diesel prices > to go in ten years (or less) from 30 cents/gallon less than gasoline > to 30 cents higher. It has always been cheaper to produce than > gasoline....what changed? > > I bought a new Volvo diesel back when, and it was cheap to run but > man was it SLOW! I'd love to own one of the new BMW turbo diesels now > if I could afford it. I suspect the engine would last longer than a > similar gasoline model and require less maintenance in the long run as > well. (Although a turbo could make it a little more prone to higher > maintenance than a non-turbo, but I don't know that.) > > Regards, > Bill K My mother had a 1987 Chevy Suburban with the 6.2 liter diesel. OT aside, for such a beast of a truck it got amazing fuel mileage. On a long highway trip filled with children and luggage it got over 30MPG... It too was very slow off the line but held its own when it came to mountain climbing. I do wonder just how different the 335d will be from an old gen diesel like this. I haven't ridden in any of the recent vw diesels. Mark
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:07:12 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour On Saturday 29 December 2007 5:11:50 pm Mark D wrote: > I think you'll find that nobody in the group gets better gas mileage > than you :) Indeed. I average about 15 around town (showing 14 right now), but I cant think of a single time when I have been behind the wheel of the M3, had it up to temp, and did not romp on it. In fact...I work from home and often my 'lunch hour' consits of taking the M3 out to stretch both of our legs on PCH. Only takes a few blasts to ruin your average but its a hell of a way to blow off some steam ;-) One thing is for sure, on a long haul at 80MPG with the AC on the M3 is capable of very impressive MPG, great car for trips to Vegas. In fact...for two people its a great roadtrip car. Back the Koni's off a bit and its a pretty good cruiser with a trunk full of luggage. Dave 'gets 19 mpg in his 325e' Thomas
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades - from ProBikeGuy
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:12:12 -0600 From: "ProBikeGuy" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades I bought the chip, 95, you can buy the flasher also, from Turner. gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Thomas" <dave@sasdatalink.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:08:14 -0800 > From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: More on upgrades > > On Saturday 29 December 2007 4:01:48 pm ProBikeGuy wrote: >> You can do it for MUCH less...I bought a used 540afm and ford motorsport >> injectors, and built my own CAI. I think I spent maybe 500 bucks... > > What are you using for DME software? > > One of the nice things about the $1200 kit is it can be had with CA > specific > software that deals with our crappy gas pretty well... > > Dave > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:19:20 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com On Saturday 29 December 2007 5:21:50 pm Mark D wrote: > My mother had a 1987 Chevy Suburban with the 6.2 liter diesel. OT > aside, for such a beast of a truck it got amazing fuel mileage. Getting pretty OT...but: I was raised around Mac trucks, we owned a H20 truck company and me and my father maintined the fleet. Back when we were doing that (17-20 years ago) my Dad picked up a European version of a Peugeot 504 (no fat bumpers and such) and stripped it of everything non-essential to commuting the long miles to the job sites, main point was just weight reduction. The car got a worked over 505 Turbo Diesel engine and a 5 speed...lots of boost...very 'hot' injection pump...straight pipe right out of the turbo...that thing was fast as hell to about 60. Sooo much botton end. Many a diesel Mercedes' felt the wrath of the old 504 when jockeying for freeway entrance ;-) Great car. Massive trunk, could carry a crapload of tools, was our main junkyard hauler for a long time for anything that would fit in the trunk. You could just toss a transmission in the trunk. Got well over 35MPG unless you had your foot into it all the time...and it probably got 30 then. Very odd cars to work on, but fun to work on at the same time. The French sure do it differently..but that is another discussion. Dave