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#1. Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Dave Swingle
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:43:20 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_uuc@comcast.net> Subject: Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com The article in Roundel alluded to a "wallet-emptying" refill of a tank of urea from time to time with the diesel, but didn't name an interval or figure. Anyone have an idea of how much impact that has on the overall economics of operating the diesel vs gas? Dave S - ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:35:19 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com A 135d or 335d sounds interesting, but with the premium cost of diesel fuel and the premium on diesel powered vehicles, it still isn't terribly compelling from an efficiency/economic viewpoint. If diesel was the same price as gasoline, it would be more advantageous. Regards, Rich - saw $2.99 for gasoline and $3.65 for diesel today
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#2. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Marco Romani
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:01:21 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com I didn't think the BMWs used urea, I thought that was the Merc motor. But I could be wrong, the only 335d I've played with were the ones used in the 2006 25hr race. And there wasn't a urea tank on those babies. And don't you mean bladder emptying? ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Dave Swingle [mailto:swingle_uuc@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:52 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:43:20 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_uuc@comcast.net> Subject: Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com The article in Roundel alluded to a "wallet-emptying" refill of a tank of urea from time to time with the diesel, but didn't name an interval or figure. Anyone have an idea of how much impact that has on the overall economics of operating the diesel vs gas? Dave S - ----------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:35:19 -0500 From: "Rich Dorffer" <E36M3Digest@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com A 135d or 335d sounds interesting, but with the premium cost of diesel fuel and the premium on diesel powered vehicles, it still isn't terribly compelling from an efficiency/economic viewpoint. If diesel was the same price as gasoline, it would be more advantageous. Regards, Rich - saw $2.99 for gasoline and $3.65 for diesel today ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour - from Bill and Jan Klemme
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:15:56 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour Dave Thomas wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:07:12 -0800 > From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour > > On Saturday 29 December 2007 5:11:50 pm Mark D wrote: > >> I think you'll find that nobody in the group gets better gas mileage >> than you :) >> > > Indeed. I average about 15 around town (showing 14 right now), but I cant > think of a single time when I have been behind the wheel of the M3, had it up > to temp, and did not romp on it. In fact...I work from home and often > my 'lunch hour' consits of taking the M3 out to stretch both of our legs on > PCH. Only takes a few blasts to ruin your average but its a hell of a way to > blow off some steam ;-) > > One thing is for sure, on a long haul at 80MPG with the AC on the M3 is > capable of very impressive MPG, great car for trips to Vegas. In fact...for > two people its a great roadtrip car. Back the Koni's off a bit and its a > pretty good cruiser with a trunk full of luggage. > > Dave 'gets 19 mpg in his 325e' Thomas > I hear you. I have an E34 M5 that is my "hopeless mileage" car used to blow off steam. I have babied that thing trying to squeeze out something close to 25 mpg and I can DO it (coasting down hills etc) until I have to accelerate a bit. Just sitting at a stop light drops ave mpg pretty fast. Eventually I figured what the hell, I can't win so I just have fun with it and shrug off the gas mileage. I take consolation in the fact that my old 50's cars (Ford flathead V8 et al) got maybe 15 mpg and took about 16 seconds to get to 60 mph (forget about 150 mph). The M5 is the most satisfying car to drive I've ever had and still gets 19 mpg? I'll take it. Bill K (no longer stuck in the 50's)
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:30:45 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - MPG topic detour On Saturday 29 December 2007 9:21:49 pm Bill and Jan Klemme wrote: > > One thing is for sure, on a long haul at 80MPG Err....80MPH obviously ;-) Dave
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#5. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:48:09 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Chavez needs to find another line of work! -----Original Message----- From: Marco Romani [mailto:marco@corsa-na.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 5:52 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:47:03 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com I do believe the requirement for low sulfur diesel did increase the manuf costs. I think the old formula was relatively easy to produce. In the past refiners could probably use the cheaper heavy crudes with less sulfur content but now probably have to use the sweeter crudes that cost more. IIRC Diesel and gasoline prices in the EU were nearly at the same price in the past. But I doubt all of the US price rise is due to needing low sulfur diesel. Maybe a PE can address the issue beside pure greed by the oil companies. http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining2.htm It does crack me up (no pun intended) when Chavez says he's going cut the US off from Venezuelan oil. Go right ahead - we're one of the few countries that can refine the heavy crude they produce. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Bill and Jan Klemme [mailto:wklemme@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 1:32 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:24:43 -0500 From: Bill and Jan Klemme <wklemme@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: 135 pricing on BMWUSA.com > > > > You think as diesels become more common the price of diesel fuel will > go down? > > > > Interesting question, if slightly off-topic. What exactly DOES control the price of diesel fuel? Not the oil company execs do you suppose, for reasons almost totally divorced from cost of buying/making it? I have suspected that high diesel prices are just another way of quietly fattening profits by hitting the truckers, who don't complain as much as gasoline consumers might, and simply pass the cost on to the consumers of whatever the trucks are carrying. Thus we all pay for the fuel costs at the grocery store and WalMart cash registers. There is simply no logical reason for diesel prices to go in ten years (or less) from 30 cents/gallon less than gasoline to 30 cents higher. It has always been cheaper to produce than gasoline....what changed? I bought a new Volvo diesel back when, and it was cheap to run but man was it SLOW! I'd love to own one of the new BMW turbo diesels now if I could afford it. I suspect the engine would last longer than a similar gasoline model and require less maintenance in the long run as well. (Although a turbo could make it a little more prone to higher maintenance than a non-turbo, but I don't know that.) Regards, Bill K ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 12/28/2007 11:51 AM ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Paint Care - Need Guidance - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:49 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Paint Care - Need Guidance I could use some help on a detailing issue. My car has 97k miles, and it appears that it has largely been garage kept by previous owners, and by me. Overall, the paint is in reasonably good shape for a car with a build date of 11/97. But, there are imperfections, minor scratches etc. I wash it religiously, and wax it periodically using Zymol cleaner wax, but I think it needs more of a deep cleaning. Can anyone recommend a polishing compound (if any) that would be safe on the clear coat finish, but that I could use with a buffer to really clean things up? I have a mildly abrasive polish which I tried out on a small test section, and it didn't seem to disturb the finish, but I am cautious about using it with a buffer. If anyone knows of an excellent book/manual for the DIY detailer, I could use that also! Thanks, Matt Bader 98 M3/4
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#7. Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com - from Dave Swingle
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:25:28 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_uuc@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com It was mentioned in the article as the only way the new car would meet emissions (not likely a consideration on a race car. . ), and that if the tank ran empty the car would shut down. They pointed out that this was likely what has delayed bringing the car into the US so far. Your thought on the refill process brings a frightening mental image to mind. Dave S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Romani" <marco@corsa-na.com> To: "'Dave Swingle'" <swingle_uuc@comcast.net>; "'E36M3'" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com I didn't think the BMWs used urea, I thought that was the Merc motor. But I could be wrong, the only 335d I've played with were the ones used in the 2006 25hr race. And there wasn't a urea tank on those babies. And don't you mean bladder emptying? ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Dave Swingle [mailto:swingle_uuc@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:52 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:43:20 -0600 From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_uuc@comcast.net> Subject: Re:135 pricing on BMWUSA.com The article in Roundel alluded to a "wallet-emptying" refill of a tank of urea from time to time with the diesel, but didn't name an interval or figure. Anyone have an idea of how much impact that has on the overall economics of operating the diesel vs gas?
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Paint Care - Need Guidance - from drevans@fuse.net
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:04:07 -0500 From: <drevans@fuse.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint Care - Need Guidance Matt, Try going to http://autopia.org/forum/index.php. You will learn more than you ever wanted to know about paint car. The other place to go is http://www.griots.com/. Good luck and I hope that you are not too obsessive-compulsive otherwise this could drive one nuts. Rich ---- Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: Paint Care - Need Guidance > > I could use some help on a detailing issue. My car has 97k miles, and it > appears that it has largely been garage kept by previous owners, and by me. > Overall, the paint is in reasonably good shape for a car with a build date > of 11/97. But, there are imperfections, minor scratches etc. I wash it > religiously, and wax it periodically using Zymol cleaner wax, but I think it > needs more of a deep cleaning. Can anyone recommend a polishing compound > (if any) that would be safe on the clear coat finish, but that I could use > with a buffer to really clean things up? I have a mildly abrasive polish > which I tried out on a small test section, and it didn't seem to disturb the > finish, but I am cautious about using it with a buffer. > > If anyone knows of an excellent book/manual for the DIY detailer, I could > use that also! > > Thanks, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. Conforti.. then Hybrid - from Richard Sperry
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:16:57 -0500 From: "Richard Sperry" <richardsperry@comcast.net> Subject: Conforti.. then Hybrid When I got the Conforti intake Kit from Turner, they had 2 versions. The first one used the E.uro airbox snorkle to the left brake duct. The "Conforti intake" used the now familier shield "dam with a short ram tube, and an ITG filter. They both used the Euro HFM, ( the 540 one works the same, but the Euro is PnP), and Conforti tuning. I think I remember paying about $1100 for Jim's kit. My car made 230 Rwhp, and 228 lb-ft on a DynaPac. Which is just about the 270 crank limit of the stock injectors. If you track the car a lot or you add the cams, you needed to move to the 24# injectors and tuning. It wasn't that the injectors didn't flow enough, it was too high a duty cycle above 80% . Hybrids: I have heard that Hybrids may not really be so fuel efficient if you take the amount of fuel and energy it takes to manufacture those batteries. The ore is from Canada, goes to Asia, makes a few stops, that comes back to Canada to be made into batteries, then goes where the car is being made. That's a lot of trips It may turn out that Hybrides may be as much as 50% less efficient than normal cars (mpg cars as opposed to performance cars...) Not to mention what are you going to do with all those hybrid batteries when they die... Or how much it will cost to buy new ones. Maybe something to think about.
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - from Azik [Hotmail]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:25:50 +0100 From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter What kind of filter/air intake are you referring to? photos or links? I have heard this gruppe M intake on euro engine sound and its great. Does anyone have experience with it? http://cgi.ebay.de/Simota-CF-induction-kit-BMW-E36-M3-CAI-Gruppe-M_W0QQitemZ190186004574QQihZ009QQcategoryZ36680QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thanks and Happy new year! Azar, '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ Celle, Germany
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Paint Care - Need Guidance - from Jason Bowers
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Bowers <jbowers@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint Care - Need Guidance I will second Griots....forwarding the free detailers handbook. Best investement I have made for my car yet. I thought maintaining a black car would be next to impossible. But with Griots it really makes it easy.....I sound like an infomercial - sorry. drevans@fuse.net wrote: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:04:07 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint Care - Need Guidance Matt, Try going to http://autopia.org/forum/index.php. You will learn more than you ever wanted to know about paint car. The other place to go is http://www.griots.com/. Good luck and I hope that you are not too obsessive-compulsive otherwise this could drive one nuts. Rich ---- Matt Bader wrote: > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:49 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" > Subject: Paint Care - Need Guidance > > I could use some help on a detailing issue. My car has 97k miles, and it > appears that it has largely been garage kept by previous owners, and by me. > Overall, the paint is in reasonably good shape for a car with a build date > of 11/97. But, there are imperfections, minor scratches etc. I wash it > religiously, and wax it periodically using Zymol cleaner wax, but I think it > needs more of a deep cleaning. Can anyone recommend a polishing compound > (if any) that would be safe on the clear coat finish, but that I could use > with a buffer to really clean things up? I have a mildly abrasive polish > which I tried out on a small test section, and it didn't seem to disturb the > finish, but I am cautious about using it with a buffer. > > If anyone knows of an excellent book/manual for the DIY detailer, I could > use that also! > > Thanks, > > Matt Bader > 98 M3/4 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************