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#1. Re: [E36M3] Paint care - from Marc Plante
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:16:28 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care I'll throw in a Vote fo Sal Zaino. His paint sealer works great, though I attribute it to the meticulous preparation that he recommends. to clean the paint, get a clay bar at your local store. You'll be amazed what it pulls out of the paint. I let my White car go for a bit with young kids and it turned fairly gray. The clay bar pulled all of that crud out of the paint. The Zaino paint sealer is great stuff. A little bit goes a long way, and it lasts a good 5-6 months unlike the Zymol that needs fairly constant upkeep. Groits has nice stuff and good advice, but a little overpriced IMO BTW Zymol cleaner-wax is made under license by Turtle Wax. The real Zymol is a block of hard wax that takes some work to apply. Also the mega pck fo microfiber cloths at Costco is a deal. I use them for everything. Marc Plante E36 M3/4/5 82k Vienna, VA (p.s. my conforti filter is rotting too. Too much Ozone in the air?)
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Paint care - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:31:16 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Paint care Thanks, Marc. Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "clay bar". Matt -----Original Message----- From: Marc Plante [mailto:marcva@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:22 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:16:28 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care I'll throw in a Vote fo Sal Zaino. His paint sealer works great, though I attribute it to the meticulous preparation that he recommends. to clean the paint, get a clay bar at your local store. You'll be amazed what it pulls out of the paint. I let my White car go for a bit with young kids and it turned fairly gray. The clay bar pulled all of that crud out of the paint. The Zaino paint sealer is great stuff. A little bit goes a long way, and it lasts a good 5-6 months unlike the Zymol that needs fairly constant upkeep. Groits has nice stuff and good advice, but a little overpriced IMO BTW Zymol cleaner-wax is made under license by Turtle Wax. The real Zymol is a block of hard wax that takes some work to apply. Also the mega pck fo microfiber cloths at Costco is a deal. I use them for everything. Marc Plante E36 M3/4/5 82k Vienna, VA (p.s. my conforti filter is rotting too. Too much Ozone in the air?) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Paint care - from Jeff Conner
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:38:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Conner <jeff.conner@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care Clay barring is a process by which you remove the surface impurities on the paint (underneath the wax) with, you guessed it...a little bar of soft clay. Essentially, you wash the car with Dawn to remove the wax, then you use the clay bar and whatever spray cleaner comes recommended and go over ever square inch of the the painted exterior. Squirt, rub, repeat. It really does a miraculous job. FWIW, my wife and I are in the Zaino camp as well - http://www.zainostore.com/ - it's a fantastic brand of products, the use of which is laboriously time consuming, but it's also a 1-2x yearly job. It makes the cars look spectacular. Well, not the track car, it's not worth the time to keep *that* clean HTH -jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> Thanks, Marc. Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "clay bar". Matt -----Original Message----- From: Marc Plante [mailto:marcva@gmail.com] I'll throw in a Vote fo Sal Zaino. His paint sealer works great, though I attribute it to the meticulous preparation that he recommends. to clean the paint, get a clay bar at your local store. You'll be amazed what it pulls out of the paint. I let my White car go for a bit with young kids and it turned fairly gray. The clay bar pulled all of that crud out of the paint. The Zaino paint sealer is great stuff. A little bit goes a long way, and it lasts a good 5-6 months unlike the Zymol that needs fairly constant upkeep. Groits has nice stuff and good advice, but a little overpriced IMO BTW Zymol cleaner-wax is made under license by Turtle Wax. The real Zymol is a block of hard wax that takes some work to apply. Also the mega pck fo microfiber cloths at Costco is a deal. I use them for everything. Marc Plante E36 M3/4/5 82k Vienna, VA (p.s. my conforti filter is rotting too. Too much Ozone in the air?) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Paint care - from Duncan Burke
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Paint care Clay bars: http://www.chemicalguys.com/Auto_Detailing_Clay_Bars_For_Paint_Reconditioning_s/7.htm Simply put the best. simplest, easiest way to get your paint clean prior to polishing. i highly recommend the CG products above. Best, db --- Matt Bader <mbader@exammaster.com> wrote: > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:31:16 -0500 > From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Paint care > > Thanks, Marc. Can you elaborate a little on what > you mean by "clay bar". > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Plante [mailto:marcva@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:22 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care > > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:16:28 -0500 > From: "Marc Plante" <marcva@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care > > I'll throw in a Vote fo Sal Zaino. His paint sealer > works great, though I > attribute it to the meticulous preparation that he > recommends. > > to clean the paint, get a clay bar at your local > store. You'll be amazed > what it pulls out of the paint. I let my White car > go for a bit with young > kids and it turned fairly gray. The clay bar pulled > all of that crud out of > the paint. The Zaino paint sealer is great stuff. A > little bit goes a long > way, and it lasts a good 5-6 months unlike the Zymol > that needs fairly > constant upkeep. > > Groits has nice stuff and good advice, but a little > overpriced IMO > > BTW Zymol cleaner-wax is made under license by > Turtle Wax. The real Zymol is > a block of hard wax that takes some work to apply. > > Also the mega pck fo microfiber cloths at Costco is > a deal. I use them for > everything. > > Marc Plante > E36 M3/4/5 82k > Vienna, VA > (p.s. my conforti filter is rotting too. Too much > Ozone in the air?) > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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#5. Thanks for info on paint detail - from Matt Bader
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:09:58 -0500 From: "Matt Bader" <mbader@exammaster.com> Subject: Thanks for info on paint detail Thanks everyone for the feedback on the paint detailing. I have to admit I have never heard of the clay bar thing. My car is basically still a street car, with some HPDE and maybe autox this coming year. (Going out for a ride now since I can't seem to get enough of the Corsa exhaust.) So, I think it is still worth keeping the appearance up. I can see how that would be a hassle for a track car, not very practical I'm sure. Matt Bader
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Paint care - from Marty
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:14:30 -0500 From: Marty <mfraiser@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care I second the clay bar results. It's amazing how silky smooth the paint is after using a clay bar and lubricant. I was first introduced to that via Griot's and agree with Marc that Griot's is very good but pricey. Who'd have thunk to use clay to pull little particles out of your paint or clearcoat? I didn't know there were little particles stuck in the paint. A couple in my local chapter are fanatical detailers, regularly winning any concours they enter. They swore by Zymol HDCleanse and said clay bars would damage paint, etc. In my experience (i am not fanatical) clay bars worked better and were much less work. Apparently Zymol agrees now - they have clay bars. A place i've happily bought car care products from is www.propercarcare.com/ .. They have an amazing assortment of polishes, orbital polisher pads, etc and detailing tips, including one on clay bars (http://propercarcare.com/detailingtips.html ). Just one more of many places worth checking out. marty On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Jeff Conner wrote: > > > Clay barring is a process by which you remove the surface impurities > on the paint (underneath the wax) with, you guessed it...a little > bar of soft clay. Essentially, you wash the car with Dawn to remove > the wax, then you use the clay bar and whatever spray cleaner comes > recommended and go over ever square inch of the the painted > exterior. Squirt, rub, repeat. > > It really does a miraculous job. > > HTH > -jeff
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Thanks for info on paint detail - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Thanks for info on paint detail On Sun, December 30, 2007 10:11 am, Matt Bader wrote: > I can see how that would be a > hassle for a track car, not very practical I'm sure. Bwhahahaha! The only car in the stable to receive a clay bar treatment (so far) is the race car :-) Of course, it's white, and while covered it still lives outside. Paint was like sandpaper before, much smoother, and easier to maintain, since. The M3 is next. Eventually. BTW, I've been getting nearly all of my car care supplies from Car Care Specialties - http://www.carcareonline.com/ Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter - from kwill69058@comcast.net
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:03:56 +0000 From: kwill69058@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter Mine sounds slightly louder than that. But its similar. -K. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:25:50 +0100 > From: "Azik [Hotmail]" <azik@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro intake ITG filter > > What kind of filter/air intake are you referring to? photos or links? > I have heard this gruppe M intake on euro engine sound and its great. > Does anyone have experience with it? > http://cgi.ebay.de/Simota-CF-induction-kit-BMW-E36-M3-CAI-Gruppe-M_W0QQitemZ1901 > 86004574QQihZ009QQcategoryZ36680QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > Thanks and Happy new year! > > Azar, > '97 528iA, '98 M3 3.2 Coupe Euro 321 HP > (oOO\(||||)(||||)/OOo) /|OO|(||||)(||||)|OO|\ > Celle, Germany > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Paint care - from Duncan Burke
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care NO DAWN!!! That is for dishes, not cars. Wash the car as you would normally with a car wash. You need two buckets, both with grit guards. One has soapy water one has clean water. Rinse your mitt in the clean water reload with soap and wash. Wash from the top of the car down! You should be washing below the beltline trim last, all the way around the car. I really like Meguiar's NXT for the pH balancing properties in it as well as Chemical Guys Citrus Wash and Gloss. Clay, a generic clay bar should be fine, spay a Quick Detailer type product on the paint and rub paint with the clay, you should work in small areas, when there is no drag on the clay, move on to another area. Wash the car again. Polish. You want to use the least abrasive of polish/pad combo for paint correction. You will make a couple trips around the car, first your paint correction trip, this will likely be your most abrasive pass, removing swirls etc. The second will be your finish polish pass, this will remove any haze left from paint correction and give your ultimate shine. I really like the Menzerna polishing system. Seal. This is where you seal the paint from contaminants. Pick your favorite lay it on, walk away for a few hours, come back and remove. Poorboys EX-P rocks. Wax on, wax off. This is where the ultimate gloss comes out. Wax is a protectant of everything under it. The synthetics last longer than the natural carnubas. If you use a synthetic sealer, use a synthetic wax. Mixing types of sealer and topper wax don't always yield the best results. There are a ton of these that I like Poorboys Natty's Blue, Pinnacle Souveran, Meguiar's NXT, all solid pulls. Sites for product, reference and how-to: www.chemicalguys.com www.autogeek.net forums detailing forum at bf.com user FMINUS and totoland are INSANE-O good. Once you get started its a sickness, I have thou$and$ in detailing products and equipment. I like nothing better than a correction project and plan on learning the rotary buffer in 08, because that is the required tool for real, true filler-free paint correction. Later, db ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Paint care - from Paul L Fisher
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:41:09 -0600 From: "Paul L Fisher" <bmw@paul-fisher.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Paint care The only dish detergent that is any good for cars is Ivory. Look at www.dccarcare.com for more tips. Paul L Fisher 2000 M Roadster E36/7 S52 Cosmos Black Metallic Become a BMW CCA Member! Elkhorn, WI. -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Burke [mailto:pureone55@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:02 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: Duncan Burke <pureone55@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Paint care NO DAWN!!! That is for dishes, not cars. Wash the car as you would normally with a car wash. You need two buckets, both with grit guards. One has soapy water one has clean water. Rinse your mitt in the clean water reload with soap and wash. Wash from the top of the car down! You should be washing below the beltline trim last, all the way around the car. I really like Meguiar's NXT for the pH balancing properties in it as well as Chemical Guys Citrus Wash and Gloss. Clay, a generic clay bar should be fine, spay a Quick Detailer type product on the paint and rub paint with the clay, you should work in small areas, when there is no drag on the clay, move on to another area. Wash the car again. Polish. You want to use the least abrasive of polish/pad combo for paint correction. You will make a couple trips around the car, first your paint correction trip, this will likely be your most abrasive pass, removing swirls etc. The second will be your finish polish pass, this will remove any haze left from paint correction and give your ultimate shine. I really like the Menzerna polishing system. Seal. This is where you seal the paint from contaminants. Pick your favorite lay it on, walk away for a few hours, come back and remove. Poorboys EX-P rocks. Wax on, wax off. This is where the ultimate gloss comes out. Wax is a protectant of everything under it. The synthetics last longer than the natural carnubas. If you use a synthetic sealer, use a synthetic wax. Mixing types of sealer and topper wax don't always yield the best results. There are a ton of these that I like Poorboys Natty's Blue, Pinnacle Souveran, Meguiar's NXT, all solid pulls. Sites for product, reference and how-to: www.chemicalguys.com www.autogeek.net forums detailing forum at bf.com user FMINUS and totoland are INSANE-O good. Once you get started its a sickness, I have thou$and$ in detailing products and equipment. I like nothing better than a correction project and plan on learning the rotary buffer in 08, because that is the required tool for real, true filler-free paint correction. Later, db ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM